Come from a shithole to a non-shithole does not mean you will not live in shithole conditions. There is a reason Mexicans tend to live 30 to a house. They get paid crap and they want to send a good chunk of it home. It’s still an advantage to them. But the price is their own freedom and humanity.
You cannot compare the U.S. to a tiny country in the alps. Small population where pretty much everybody is rich and ex-pats from somewhere else. Hell, I’d live in Switzerland if I had the cash. It’s sweet.
But the U.S. makes the world go-round. Few countries can even come close to making that claim.
Of course I do. I buy cheap produce and stay at hotels when I go on vacation. If I were to build a house I’d take the best bid and wouldn’t ask a single question about visa status.
No bigger way to support exploiting illegal’s than to financially bankrole the industries doing it.
I am not talking about incidental support through down stream consumption. One simply cannot know who is who and what is what and where.
I am talking ideologically. Do you support exploiting illegals on going, without taking any means to right the ship?
When I first read @pfury 's “mostest freedomest” post I was going to pull all those links. Then I realized he was just having fun and arguing about the most free country would be a shit show.
But hey, 18th isn’t so bad. Maybe at the Olympics we can chant “we’re number 18!”
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Haha well that was why I said perceived concept of uber freedom (I’ll be honest I thought we’d still reach the top 10). But there’s still just this image of America, that may or may not be fading these days, of this being an amazing place for opportunity, and perception drives reality.
The greatest members of other nations used to DREAM about a day where they can move to America and be successful.
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tbh I’m strongly reminded of this clip. Absolutely love this show (and Jeff Daniels is a master of his craft).
The funny/sad thing is it’s the government piece that really hurts American’s overall score while Labor Freedom is one of our highest scrores and one of the highest labor freedom scores of any country listed.
Good, that’s it. We mainly agree. No need to search for the minutia where we disagree.
Wisdom dictates that we worry about what we can control and not worry about what we cannot. And the wisdom to know the difference.<- This should sound familiar…
We can control the future of immigration and what will happen in the future by our votes and communications with our representatives.
We cannot control the machine of abuse that started long before we knew anything about it.
We cannot “control” the future of immigration to any greater extent than we can control the machine. Don’t financially support industries that are heavy with illegals (and especially don’t support industries FROM certain areas heavy with illegal work). It’s not that hard, and truth be told doesn’t require much sacrifice to accomplish.
I’d put it akin to your approach re: taxes. You have a hard time believing people truly support more taxes when they’re not willing to write the govt a check and prove it. I’d say the exact same applies about people with illegal immigration. When we’re all the literal engine driving that machine, we have nobody to blame but ourselves.
I practice what I preach to the best of my abilities. If I know illegals are involved then I am not. But I am not going to hamstring myself trying to figure out where every nook and cranny of it exists and avoid said industry.
I don’t know where the beans come from in the chili I buy come from. I am not going to stop buying chili.
But if I need to fix my car and I suspect the employees are illegal I won’t use them I go else where. Consequently I actually use the dealership since they are often cheaper than the small shops to do the jobs on my car that I cannot. What I am not going to do is avoid Mexicans just because ‘they might’ be illegal. Contrary to popular belief, there are a good many Mexicans who are actually legal.
And I live in a non-sanctuary state. There are strong laws against companies hiring illegals here locally. GA don’t play. But there are still plenty here, just bigger legit corps won’t hire them.
And yes, immigration reform can help. Not over night, but we have to start somewhere.
You kinda sound like @EyeDentist when he calls for higher taxes yet isn’t physically writing the govt a check first. I completely agree with you by the way. What you’re saying makes perfect sense. Just didn’t expect it given your feelings on taxes.
Never said anything to the contrary, but good to hear.
Taxes and immigration are vastly different issues. I can physically control my taxes, take as much of a cut as I can, or pay full price. I cannot physically control what others do.
It’s a non-sequitur. This is about people, not money. One thing is not the other and comparisons to something like taxes is way off the mark.
And As previously stated, if I know illegal immigration is involved I avoid it. There is little I can do if there is a portion of something way down the supply chain that have no way of knowing whether or not illegal immigrants were taken advantage of in that process. And I am not going to prance around like a neo-nazi avoiding all things Mexican because there are plenty who are legal. And I am not going to walk up to brown people and ask for their credentials.
I can’t live in a bubble because some people are immoral.
