Hey! We all know that everybody has such a massive financial pipe to swing, but The OP has expressed a want to learn a bit about the market.
Why don’t some of you financial rocket surgeons divulge a bit or give some pointers on learning about these things?
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]cloakmanor wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
It doesn’t take a genius to see that the general market must dominate most investments. Even gold was dragged down by the collapsing market in 2008. Zeb, you might find the best stock in the world but you CANNOT BEAT THE MARKET. Are you Warren Buffett? No? Then you’re going to get sheared.
You really think that you can beat a market that is selling for about 4.6 times book (only the dot.com bubble was higher), a PE of 20, and a dividend yield of 2.15? Its not me that’s calling your plan BS, its the history of the market.
Just like with lottery tix, you might buy some windmill company that get a gov’t contract and makes you a fortune. That’s just dumb luck.
So I wish you luck…you’ll need it. [/quote]
Stocks purchased over a period of time have been shown to be the best investment over the past 200 years. And I know I don’t have to post a 200 year history to prove this. Or, would you like that? So you can move on your merry way singing gloom and doom and I’ll keep making money. 10 years from now I will be worth far more than I am now, and you will be sorry you listened to nut bags.
That’s really the end of the story.
[/quote]
Bullshit. Those statistics are not correctly inflation adjusted.
Sounds like you are pretty set in your beliefs.
The stockmarket is a suckers game, unless you have inside information. Thats how wall-street works. Get everyone to churn up as much business as possible, and make a killing when the inside info comes along.
Average joe is gambling unless you know the game.
The best way to invest is to pick safe income generating investments with a solid return and compound your profits over time.
[/quote]
You have no idea how uninformed you sound. You’re an ignoramus. [/quote]
Having not read the majority of this thread, allow me to ask you what your general stock investment strategy would be ZEB? Do you invest for the “long haul” or “short term”; take-over trading or momentum stocks? (and so forth)[/quote]
Buy and hold has been the best investment strategy over the past 100+ years I don’t expect it to change now. Most people don’t understand economic cycles and they become scared. We’ve had many of these cycles from the 1800’s on. Every time I read another post of gloom and doom I simply laugh to myself.
Ever hear the term “buy when there’s blood in the streets”? Baron Rothschild said that in 1871. He bought stocks (in Paris) during the stock panic of 1871. When all the suckers who were scared began panic selling he doubled up his buying. He amassed a fortune. Remember the market moves on fear and greed. If you are smart enough to take advantage of the situation you can do very well. I am a buyer in this market, as all smart investors are.
[/quote]
The rothschilds made a lot of money, but they were the original insider traders. They made money in all kinds of situations, primarily by selling war bonds. They could only do this by being the most well informed traders at the time, with connections that no-one else had. Comparing joe jerk-off who trades at scott-trade with the rothschilds is retarded.[/quote]
Oh no, please, stop it. I used Rothschild as one example, there so many more. The point is to stay in, long-term, when others are running scared. The average Joe jumps in the market when things look good. When things look rough they run for the hills selling for less than their purchase price. They’re top buyers and bottom sellers. That strategy will never make anyone money. The key is to buy quality stocks and hold them. It’s not hard if you understand economic cycles.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Hey! We all know that everybody has such a massive financial pipe to swing, but The OP has expressed a want to learn a bit about the market.
Why don’t some of you financial rocket surgeons divulge a bit or give some pointers on learning about these things?
[/quote]
Funny stuff, everyone wants to learn the secret to investing. Well tell me what’s the “secret” to building a muscular body? Eat a lot of food, train hard with weights and repeat until desired weight is achieved. That’s basically it, but no one really wants to hear that. They want a super secret way to great results.
The stock market is the same way. There is no secret way to make money in the market. If you try to time the market you are a sucker. If you dive in and out you can get burned. But if you buy quality stocks and hold them over a long period of time your investment will go up. That’s why I’m buying right now when all the wacko’s are selling and buying gold and stocking up on dry goods. This is the best time to buy stocks. People who are in the market right now will see their patients rewarded in 5-10 years.
But why believe me it’s far more exciting to buy into “the world is ending” hype. (eye roll)
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Hey! We all know that everybody has such a massive financial pipe to swing, but The OP has expressed a want to learn a bit about the market.
Why don’t some of you financial rocket surgeons divulge a bit or give some pointers on learning about these things?
[/quote]
Funny stuff, everyone wants to learn the secret to investing. Well tell me what’s the “secret” to building a muscular body? Eat a lot of food, train hard with weights and repeat until desired weight is achieved. That’s basically it, but no one really wants to hear that. They want a super secret way to great results.
The stock market is the same way. There is no secret way to make money in the market. If you try to time the market you are a sucker. If you dive in and out you can get burned. But if you buy quality stocks and hold them over a long period of time your investment will go up. That’s why I’m buying right now when all the wacko’s are selling and buying gold and stocking up on dry goods. This is the best time to buy stocks. People who are in the market right now will see their patients rewarded in 5-10 years.
But why believe me it’s far more exciting to buy into “the world is ending” hype. (eye roll)
[/quote]
Neither I or he asked for “secrets”.
Nor do I buy into the “world is ending” mindset.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Hey! We all know that everybody has such a massive financial pipe to swing, but The OP has expressed a want to learn a bit about the market.
Why don’t some of you financial rocket surgeons divulge a bit or give some pointers on learning about these things?
[/quote]
Funny stuff, everyone wants to learn the secret to investing. Well tell me what’s the “secret” to building a muscular body? Eat a lot of food, train hard with weights and repeat until desired weight is achieved. That’s basically it, but no one really wants to hear that. They want a super secret way to great results.
The stock market is the same way. There is no secret way to make money in the market. If you try to time the market you are a sucker. If you dive in and out you can get burned. But if you buy quality stocks and hold them over a long period of time your investment will go up. That’s why I’m buying right now when all the wacko’s are selling and buying gold and stocking up on dry goods. This is the best time to buy stocks. People who are in the market right now will see their patients rewarded in 5-10 years.
But why believe me it’s far more exciting to buy into “the world is ending” hype. (eye roll)
[/quote]
Neither I or he asked for “secrets”.
Nor do I buy into the “world is ending” mindset.
[/quote]
There are more people on this thread than just you and he. Take a look at some of the posts on this thread. And they’re supposedly written by adults.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]cloakmanor wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
It doesn’t take a genius to see that the general market must dominate most investments. Even gold was dragged down by the collapsing market in 2008. Zeb, you might find the best stock in the world but you CANNOT BEAT THE MARKET. Are you Warren Buffett? No? Then you’re going to get sheared.
You really think that you can beat a market that is selling for about 4.6 times book (only the dot.com bubble was higher), a PE of 20, and a dividend yield of 2.15? Its not me that’s calling your plan BS, its the history of the market.
Just like with lottery tix, you might buy some windmill company that get a gov’t contract and makes you a fortune. That’s just dumb luck.
So I wish you luck…you’ll need it. [/quote]
Stocks purchased over a period of time have been shown to be the best investment over the past 200 years. And I know I don’t have to post a 200 year history to prove this. Or, would you like that? So you can move on your merry way singing gloom and doom and I’ll keep making money. 10 years from now I will be worth far more than I am now, and you will be sorry you listened to nut bags.
That’s really the end of the story.
[/quote]
Bullshit. Those statistics are not correctly inflation adjusted.
Sounds like you are pretty set in your beliefs.
The stockmarket is a suckers game, unless you have inside information. Thats how wall-street works. Get everyone to churn up as much business as possible, and make a killing when the inside info comes along.
Average joe is gambling unless you know the game.
The best way to invest is to pick safe income generating investments with a solid return and compound your profits over time.
[/quote]
You have no idea how uninformed you sound. You’re an ignoramus. [/quote]
Having not read the majority of this thread, allow me to ask you what your general stock investment strategy would be ZEB? Do you invest for the “long haul” or “short term”; take-over trading or momentum stocks? (and so forth)[/quote]
Buy and hold has been the best investment strategy over the past 100+ years I don’t expect it to change now. Most people don’t understand economic cycles and they become scared. We’ve had many of these cycles from the 1800’s on. Every time I read another post of gloom and doom I simply laugh to myself.
Ever hear the term “buy when there’s blood in the streets”? Baron Rothschild said that in 1871. He bought stocks (in Paris) during the stock panic of 1871. When all the suckers who were scared began panic selling he doubled up his buying. He amassed a fortune. Remember the market moves on fear and greed. If you are smart enough to take advantage of the situation you can do very well. I am a buyer in this market, as all smart investors are.
[/quote]
The rothschilds made a lot of money, but they were the original insider traders. They made money in all kinds of situations, primarily by selling war bonds. They could only do this by being the most well informed traders at the time, with connections that no-one else had. Comparing joe jerk-off who trades at scott-trade with the rothschilds is retarded.[/quote]
I bought into distressed bank stocks and tripled my money in a year. I know many others who did this, and some much better. No insider knowledge necessary. And realistically anyone who had the cajones to invest in that period made a killing, no matter what they invested in.
[quote]TBT4ver wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]cloakmanor wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
It doesn’t take a genius to see that the general market must dominate most investments. Even gold was dragged down by the collapsing market in 2008. Zeb, you might find the best stock in the world but you CANNOT BEAT THE MARKET. Are you Warren Buffett? No? Then you’re going to get sheared.
You really think that you can beat a market that is selling for about 4.6 times book (only the dot.com bubble was higher), a PE of 20, and a dividend yield of 2.15? Its not me that’s calling your plan BS, its the history of the market.
Just like with lottery tix, you might buy some windmill company that get a gov’t contract and makes you a fortune. That’s just dumb luck.
So I wish you luck…you’ll need it. [/quote]
Stocks purchased over a period of time have been shown to be the best investment over the past 200 years. And I know I don’t have to post a 200 year history to prove this. Or, would you like that? So you can move on your merry way singing gloom and doom and I’ll keep making money. 10 years from now I will be worth far more than I am now, and you will be sorry you listened to nut bags.
That’s really the end of the story.
[/quote]
Bullshit. Those statistics are not correctly inflation adjusted.
Sounds like you are pretty set in your beliefs.
The stockmarket is a suckers game, unless you have inside information. Thats how wall-street works. Get everyone to churn up as much business as possible, and make a killing when the inside info comes along.
Average joe is gambling unless you know the game.
The best way to invest is to pick safe income generating investments with a solid return and compound your profits over time.
[/quote]
You have no idea how uninformed you sound. You’re an ignoramus. [/quote]
Having not read the majority of this thread, allow me to ask you what your general stock investment strategy would be ZEB? Do you invest for the “long haul” or “short term”; take-over trading or momentum stocks? (and so forth)[/quote]
Buy and hold has been the best investment strategy over the past 100+ years I don’t expect it to change now. Most people don’t understand economic cycles and they become scared. We’ve had many of these cycles from the 1800’s on. Every time I read another post of gloom and doom I simply laugh to myself.
Ever hear the term “buy when there’s blood in the streets”? Baron Rothschild said that in 1871. He bought stocks (in Paris) during the stock panic of 1871. When all the suckers who were scared began panic selling he doubled up his buying. He amassed a fortune. Remember the market moves on fear and greed. If you are smart enough to take advantage of the situation you can do very well. I am a buyer in this market, as all smart investors are.
[/quote]
The rothschilds made a lot of money, but they were the original insider traders. They made money in all kinds of situations, primarily by selling war bonds. They could only do this by being the most well informed traders at the time, with connections that no-one else had. Comparing joe jerk-off who trades at scott-trade with the rothschilds is retarded.[/quote]
I bought into distressed bank stocks and tripled my money in a year. I know many others who did this, and some much better. No insider knowledge necessary. And realistically anyone who had the cajones to invest in that period made a killing, no matter what they invested in.[/quote]
This is absolutely true and the same thing happened after the dot com crash. In fact I believe we are in a period where we are going to have these crashes far more frequently than we used to and that they will recover faster as well. The trick will be having cash on handto invest and being properly hedged.
While I’m not a fan of the doom and gloom outlook, this current “rally” seems to be based on a lot of speculation, and with all the insider selling I think we may be due for a very sizable correction in the near future. Not saying I’m going to start buying doubloon and heirloom seeds, but I think I’ll keep some money on the sidelines wait a bit before buying in.
Buy silver and commodities. You can also speculate in high dividend stocks with low debt, like Eli Lilly (ticker LLY). Yield over 5%, low debt.
DuPont is good too.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Buy silver and commodities. You can also speculate in high dividend stocks with low debt, like Eli Lilly (ticker LLY). Yield over 5%, low debt.
DuPont is good too. [/quote]
Lilly is a great company and has a great stock. I also like Bristol Myers Squibb
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Buy silver and commodities. You can also speculate in high dividend stocks with low debt, like Eli Lilly (ticker LLY). Yield over 5%, low debt.
DuPont is good too. [/quote]
Lilly is a great company and has a great stock. I also like Bristol Myers Squibb[/quote]
BMS may be the best big pharma out there, good stuff in the pipeline.
Silver has superb potential. It is used in solar and is so cheap relative to gold that some of that cash HAS to flow that way. I buy 20 ounces every month and have been doing so for years. The stocks have a lot of bang in there too.
If you need income though, good stocks with high dividends are a good choice. Everything depends on your risk tolerance – mine is low with that economic jackass in the White House.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Buy silver and commodities. You can also speculate in high dividend stocks with low debt, like Eli Lilly (ticker LLY). Yield over 5%, low debt.
DuPont is good too. [/quote]
I think i recomendedboth DD and Lilly in another thread but there is a threat to these thats important to note. If we get a resurgence of inflation the yields on these stocks will become less attractive which will lead to the price falling until the yield becomes attractive again.
I’d balance these out with convertible preferreds from commodities producers. Thee are some preferreds from miners that have attractive yields and give you part of the upside through their being convertible.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]cloakmanor wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
It doesn’t take a genius to see that the general market must dominate most investments. Even gold was dragged down by the collapsing market in 2008. Zeb, you might find the best stock in the world but you CANNOT BEAT THE MARKET. Are you Warren Buffett? No? Then you’re going to get sheared.
You really think that you can beat a market that is selling for about 4.6 times book (only the dot.com bubble was higher), a PE of 20, and a dividend yield of 2.15? Its not me that’s calling your plan BS, its the history of the market.
Just like with lottery tix, you might buy some windmill company that get a gov’t contract and makes you a fortune. That’s just dumb luck.
So I wish you luck…you’ll need it. [/quote]
Stocks purchased over a period of time have been shown to be the best investment over the past 200 years. And I know I don’t have to post a 200 year history to prove this. Or, would you like that? So you can move on your merry way singing gloom and doom and I’ll keep making money. 10 years from now I will be worth far more than I am now, and you will be sorry you listened to nut bags.
That’s really the end of the story.
[/quote]
Bullshit. Those statistics are not correctly inflation adjusted.
Sounds like you are pretty set in your beliefs.
The stockmarket is a suckers game, unless you have inside information. Thats how wall-street works. Get everyone to churn up as much business as possible, and make a killing when the inside info comes along.
Average joe is gambling unless you know the game.
The best way to invest is to pick safe income generating investments with a solid return and compound your profits over time.
[/quote]
You have no idea how uninformed you sound. You’re an ignoramus. [/quote]
Having not read the majority of this thread, allow me to ask you what your general stock investment strategy would be ZEB? Do you invest for the “long haul” or “short term”; take-over trading or momentum stocks? (and so forth)[/quote]
Buy and hold has been the best investment strategy over the past 100+ years I don’t expect it to change now. Most people don’t understand economic cycles and they become scared. We’ve had many of these cycles from the 1800’s on. Every time I read another post of gloom and doom I simply laugh to myself.
Ever hear the term “buy when there’s blood in the streets”? Baron Rothschild said that in 1871. He bought stocks (in Paris) during the stock panic of 1871. When all the suckers who were scared began panic selling he doubled up his buying. He amassed a fortune. Remember the market moves on fear and greed. If you are smart enough to take advantage of the situation you can do very well. I am a buyer in this market, as all smart investors are.
[/quote]
The rothschilds made a lot of money, but they were the original insider traders. They made money in all kinds of situations, primarily by selling war bonds. They could only do this by being the most well informed traders at the time, with connections that no-one else had. Comparing joe jerk-off who trades at scott-trade with the rothschilds is retarded.[/quote]
Oh no, please, stop it. I used Rothschild as one example, there so many more. The point is to stay in, long-term, when others are running scared. The average Joe jumps in the market when things look good. When things look rough they run for the hills selling for less than their purchase price. They’re top buyers and bottom sellers. That strategy will never make anyone money. The key is to buy quality stocks and hold them. It’s not hard if you understand economic cycles.
[/quote]
Its always good to know, that on the odd occasion that I do short a stock, there are some buy and hold idiots such as yourself on the other side of the transaction.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]cloakmanor wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
It doesn’t take a genius to see that the general market must dominate most investments. Even gold was dragged down by the collapsing market in 2008. Zeb, you might find the best stock in the world but you CANNOT BEAT THE MARKET. Are you Warren Buffett? No? Then you’re going to get sheared.
You really think that you can beat a market that is selling for about 4.6 times book (only the dot.com bubble was higher), a PE of 20, and a dividend yield of 2.15? Its not me that’s calling your plan BS, its the history of the market.
Just like with lottery tix, you might buy some windmill company that get a gov’t contract and makes you a fortune. That’s just dumb luck.
So I wish you luck…you’ll need it. [/quote]
Stocks purchased over a period of time have been shown to be the best investment over the past 200 years. And I know I don’t have to post a 200 year history to prove this. Or, would you like that? So you can move on your merry way singing gloom and doom and I’ll keep making money. 10 years from now I will be worth far more than I am now, and you will be sorry you listened to nut bags.
That’s really the end of the story.
[/quote]
Bullshit. Those statistics are not correctly inflation adjusted.
Sounds like you are pretty set in your beliefs.
The stockmarket is a suckers game, unless you have inside information. Thats how wall-street works. Get everyone to churn up as much business as possible, and make a killing when the inside info comes along.
Average joe is gambling unless you know the game.
The best way to invest is to pick safe income generating investments with a solid return and compound your profits over time.
[/quote]
You have no idea how uninformed you sound. You’re an ignoramus. [/quote]
Having not read the majority of this thread, allow me to ask you what your general stock investment strategy would be ZEB? Do you invest for the “long haul” or “short term”; take-over trading or momentum stocks? (and so forth)[/quote]
Buy and hold has been the best investment strategy over the past 100+ years I don’t expect it to change now. Most people don’t understand economic cycles and they become scared. We’ve had many of these cycles from the 1800’s on. Every time I read another post of gloom and doom I simply laugh to myself.
Ever hear the term “buy when there’s blood in the streets”? Baron Rothschild said that in 1871. He bought stocks (in Paris) during the stock panic of 1871. When all the suckers who were scared began panic selling he doubled up his buying. He amassed a fortune. Remember the market moves on fear and greed. If you are smart enough to take advantage of the situation you can do very well. I am a buyer in this market, as all smart investors are.
[/quote]
The rothschilds made a lot of money, but they were the original insider traders. They made money in all kinds of situations, primarily by selling war bonds. They could only do this by being the most well informed traders at the time, with connections that no-one else had. Comparing joe jerk-off who trades at scott-trade with the rothschilds is retarded.[/quote]
Oh no, please, stop it. I used Rothschild as one example, there so many more. The point is to stay in, long-term, when others are running scared. The average Joe jumps in the market when things look good. When things look rough they run for the hills selling for less than their purchase price. They’re top buyers and bottom sellers. That strategy will never make anyone money. The key is to buy quality stocks and hold them. It’s not hard if you understand economic cycles.
[/quote]
Its always good to know, that on the odd occasion that I do short a stock, there are some buy and hold idiots such as yourself on the other side of the transaction.[/quote]
Yeah we buy and hold idiots don’t know what we’re doing. How much are you worth?
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle/articleid/3245614
One of our members here bragged about how he was going to short silver when it was $19 or so. I bought a contract at 17 and again at 19, just sold a huge chunk.
So…uh…how’s that short position working out? LOL!!
This investing stuff is just too easy!!! ROFLMAO!!
Any of you chicken little’s happen to see where the market has been headed the last few days?
So, we’re at 11,142 as of 3:56 EST. Is the worst still to come? Many economists have predicted a huge fall out. Financial bloggers and such have been saying that you can’t take the DOW or other markets seriously as if the numbers are being held up by some misleading information. I’ve started to loosen my tin foil hat a bit, but it’s hard when people keep throwing out the world’s ending bullshit.
They have to say something other than “I don’t freakin know”.
A good friend of mine is a regional manager for a good sized bank and usually has some good insights on economic direction and maneuvers, as it is his livelihood. He has nothing to say either way, but is hawkish about good buys at this point, which could be construed as mid term to long term optimistic.
The only sector that he is distinctly wary of is, of all things, the banking sector.Here’s why-
I’m still of the opinion that there isn’t going to be much movement overall until the results of the upcoming elections are seen, and little more until Obama is safely out of office. No one wants to make money that they are going to be penalized for making.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
They have to say something other than “I don’t freakin know”.
A good friend of mine is a regional manager for a good sized bank and usually has some good insights on economic direction and maneuvers, as it is his livelihood. He has nothing to say either way, but is hawkish about good buys at this point, which could be construed as mid term to long term optimistic.
The only sector that he is distinctly wary of is, of all things, the banking sector.Here’s why-
I’m still of the opinion that there isn’t going to be much movement overall until the results of the upcoming elections are seen, and little more until Obama is safely out of office. No one wants to make money that they are going to be penalized for making.
[/quote]
Racist.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
They have to say something other than “I don’t freakin know”.
[/quote]
Racist.[/quote]
I know. I’m also a wife beating redneck that lives in a collapsing trailer with no skirting.
Hahaha!