The Double-Dose Surge Project

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Just a note about where I’m at. I trained for the fifth straight day today b/c I moved my bench session from Wed to today and I went in on Sunday (off day) and did some bodybuilding-type stuff. Today was a shit workout but otherwise things have gone real well.

My recovery is definitely faster and I’m able to handle a higher volume of heavy work which I think is important for me at this stage. Thing I need is to learn how to fucking bench. I should hit a 600 dead and a 500 squat both raw at 220 within the next few months but I struggle to bench 315. I’m going to stay w/ the extra Surge indefinitely, it’s definitely helping w/ muscle mass and tolerating extra volume.

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quick report: shoulders felt fine–no soreness…just tired. Hit legs hard! yesterday and they are sore today…I’m slightly disappointed …as I thought I’d feel nothing but I’m sure that if I wasn’t on Surge… it would be much more major. ; )
doing some oly stuff tomorrow and hitting upper prety hard…cant wait!

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Report 10:

ME Upper
Bad, bad day. My elbows started screaming at me about 2/3 of the way through my ME bench. I could only get up to 245 before I had to stop. Did worked up to 3x5 heavy bent rows, did some light pushdowns and some chins, called it. Piss poor. I knew I had to limit the volume after the last two weeks, but I had really hoped to have some sort of workout today. Nothing hurt last week.

Crash and burn, and a waste of two doses of Surge. I guess I’m going to be doing some high rep band pushdowns and band curls to see if I can get this to go away. I had thought I was past the nightmare of nagging elbow and shoulder injuries from last year. I guess not.

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Weight is up from 159 (starting) to 164.8 as of this morning. Jeans still fit the same for the most part, so this is a very good thing.

I’ve started doing Renegade Rope Training in addition to my normal routine to boost my cardio endurance for soccer, and I’m having great recovery from workout to workout. Weights are still consistently increasing as well.

I can’t say enough good things about the double dosing protocol. It’s exceeded my expectations for sure.

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Nikita Koloff “The Russian Nightmare” was in the gym today. Years ago, back in '86 or so, it was his gym and aptly named Nikita’s. He no longer owns the gym but still pops in from time to time and is still a big, weight-lifting guy. I enjoy listening to him talk because I am always expecting that wide-eyed, deep Slavic growl shouting out, “The sickle!” instead of a normal sounding, quite intelligent man.

No much has changed on the training frontier. I have completed five or more workouts and each one has been the same; great pumps and no residual soreness! I have not changed my diet much, if anything I have added calories by way of double dosing Surge, yet my scale weight has dropped.

Strength is up volume wise, even with the weight loss. I was able to bench 245 for 6 reps yesterday, my previous best was 3 reps. Before that, I hit my max on the Deadlift but missed a PR of 435. Training tip #1: Do not rely upon straps, I have cheated my grip strength by doing this in my younger days, but now I am atoning for my sins.

I finished off the Raspberry flavor and am now working on the Original flavor. The only problem is that the Original taste so good I am finding myself drinking it all before my workout is over.

Surge Tip #1: If you are finding it difficult to consume all of your Surge while working out, just lessen the amount of water that you add to it. Less quantity to consume and if there are any residual goodies left because of saturation, you can always get them when you mix in your second serving. (Even after my second serving I tend to add a tiny bit of water to my cup, swish it around, and drink, to ensure that I get every single grain of goodness that I can.)

My goal, when my schedule allows it, is to perform two workouts in one day using the double Surge protocol. I believe this methodology would kick some major ass.

That is all for now; I am hooked on the double dose Surge and its benefits. Lizard King gives the double dosed Surge a Rockscar “two thumbs up.”

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Week in review

I had another great week of workouts.I only have soreness in my legs for one day after my leg workout.I am now currently taking a full serving of Surge pre and postworkout.The only problems I really have are on leg day and I remedied that by taking pre-workout Surge an hour ahead of workout.I am currently weighing between 167-168 lbs.

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Still doing well here. My lifts are going up despite eating less food, and soreness really isn’t an issue. I’ve added additional volume to my workouts because I just feel like doing more at the end; I’m usually exhausted!

Good times!

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[quote]wogrl wrote:
quick report: shoulders felt fine–no soreness…just tired. Hit legs hard! yesterday and they are sore today…I’m slightly disappointed …as I thought I’d feel nothing but I’m sure that if I wasn’t on Surge… it would be much more major. ; )
doing some oly stuff tomorrow and hitting upper prety hard…cant wait![/quote]

DID the oly stuff, hit some hang cleans, db snatchs and push presses, high pulls, along with db shoulder presses, lateral raises, heavy plate loaded rows , pull downs, cable flies and plyo pushups. AWESOME ENERGY during the WORKOUT. Mild trap soreness i believe fromthe high pulls and hang cleans. HAD a massive (well as massive as I can get;))pump in my upper body. (wish my shoulders would stay with that pumped up look!)

BTW— dropping fat nicely…clothes are fitting differently…belly’s getting tighter and legs are dropping fat. AND this is all happened while taking a full dose of Surge!!! —shock and awwe—i know! :wink:

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Hey all,

Here’s a quick update about my four sessions last week.

As has been noted by some other testers, I’m sold on the idea of pre and post-workout Surge. I’ve seen incredible results thus far. This is something that I will keep up during my following training cycles. I may play around a little bit with the timing and dosage, though (after the experiment is over).

Three of my sessions last week were all good. My deadlift day was a little lagging. I had no energy at all, and just didn’t do very well in the gym. My soreness was very light all week, despite my tweaking of some extra volume. It should be noted again, that throughout this entire experiment, I have steadily increased the weights I am using for all of my basic lifts and including some of my assistance exercises. I am progressing quickly! Hopefully, I don’t plateau before I run out of Surge!

I have already noticed some changes in the mirror, and am very happy with the results thus far. I will keep you posted!

-John A. Sifferman NSCA-CPT

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Australian User !

My girlfriend got Chad’s new book and Surge Recovery for me for my birthday - I’ll post up in this thread about my impressions on the forumla over the next month.

I’m Also keeping a detailed log on bb.com if anyone is interested :

Normally, the Biotest/Metabolic Drive doesnt get much love over there, so I’ll give a good honest, non biased review.

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Report 11:

ME lower

Wide box squat–worked up to new 1RM

Heavy supports 122% 1RM–2 x 10 seconds each

Olympic Back squat–worked up to 5RM

Dimel Deadlifts–1x5, 1x7, 1x5

45 degree back extension–worked up to heavy set of 6—> 3x8, 1x6

barbell carry–back squat pos. .4 mile
weighted incline abs 1x8
barbell carry–back squat pos. .2 mile
weighted incline abs 1x8
barbell carry–back squat pos. .2 mile
weighted incline abs 1x8

collapse

Good session today. Worked up in weights and intensity, added the olympic back squats from last week, changed ME exercise, increased weight on every exercise except abs. Long session today. Surge did great, as always, and as Tim Patterson probably foresaw when he okay’ed this experiment, I am going to be spending more money by buying double Surge for the foreseeable future. :slight_smile:

I’m getting lower, I’ll need to look into it soon.

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I am currently on the last week of my program before spring break hits so I will write a more detailed summary of my experiences this weekend and post it before I head on down to Florida.

For now though, I really don’t know what to say except still double dosing and still experiencing all of the benefits - little to no soreness, good gains with minimal fat, increased energy - good stuff.

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Reports 12 and 13:

Been busy lately, so I missed my posts. Ok upper body workout, pain in my elbows and shoulder, getting to a therapist I’ve heard good things about from friends of mine soon. Lower body work went pretty well, but I went with a stiff lower back from the heavy barbell bent over rows I did on Upper body day. The pulls from deficit hit more of my back than they should have. I may have overdone it to set more PRs on Monday, even though I was trying to hold back.

ME UPPER—

Bench-- work up to 1RM, my spotter got antsy and grabbed it, so I can’t count it. Pain, so didn’t continue

Heavy bb bent rows–worked up to heavy set of 2, then dropped down to do a set of 8

push press–started ok, but got shoulder pain, so I cut it short

chins 3 sets

curls

rope tri pushdowns- couple high rep sets to work blood in there.

DE LOWER

DE box squats–8x2 at 67%, 1 set w/o chains, 3 sets w/ chains, 3 sets w/ chains and mini’s pulling me forward, 1 set w/o minis–speed was suffering due to stiff back

conv. DL from deficit–4x5 working up to a heavy set of 5 at 5-6" deficit

Natural GHRs 1x8, 1x6+2, 1x6+4

Pull-throughs, 1x8 stack + mini band, 1x8 stack + light band, 1x7 stack + minis

incline abs 2x8 + 8 rotations

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Report 14:

DE Upper

replaced DE movement with RE movement. Went heavier than I had intended to because someone was using my next dumbell set weight. So so workout. Felt good, but my forearms are KILLING ME. Not soreness per se, but pumping way too quick, and I seem to be losing grip strength. My hands have a chronically closed relaxed posture to them, even though I’m now doing mobility and stretching and foam rolling on my arms. I may need a deload week, but the rest of me feels good. I am kinda sorta considering using wrist straps for a while to take some of the constant strain of the forearms, but I can’t stomach it. I’ve never used straps in my life, and I don’t intend to start now. Anway, here’s the session

incline neutral grip db presses–3x8, 1x5, 1x2–drop 1x4 (grip sucked here)

A1) chins 1x8, 1x6, 1x7 (grip sucked here too)

A2) dips 3x15

v-grip cable rows 3x15

rope tri pushdowns 1x8, 1x15

I got some wicked arm pump in the triceps after dips, I attribute this to the Surge, as this is not typically something I experience. Thats it. Low on Surge, I think I’m going to be out after Monday. So I’m probably going to order my own double Surge. Thanks for letting me try this stuff free. It’s something I never would have done on my own, but I’m probably going to stick with it whenever the budget allows. Killer.

Any suggestions for letting my forearms rest while still getting good work in on my legs and upper body would be great.

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Most should be finishing their experiment soon. Once you do, please post a summary of your experiences. Thanks!

Note: I may make an article out of this, so we look forward to hearing your final results and feedback!

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REPORT:
I’ve been upping the intensity in my workouts. I’ve been hitting it crazy hard!! Getting lots of comments from other trainers…about my intensity… I love it! I’ve been keeping with the heavy weights for usually 8-12 … a little higher reps for my legs… I’ve been doing giant sets/circuits… no rest. They’ve been great…yes, ive been getting sore but I love it! I have great energy for dieting and am thinking that my recovery has improved since doing the double dose. am still dropping fat too! woo hoo!

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[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
Most should be finishing their experiment soon. Once you do, please post a summary of your experiences. Thanks!

Note: I may make an article out of this, so we look forward to hearing your final results and feedback!

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An article on this would be great, but I think that a longitudinal study would be more valid. I think something on going for more like 6 months or longer would be best.

I’d personally like a comparison study of Surge to other Sports Drinks such as Cytomax, Revenge, etc.

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I could not beat it. I could not kill it. The double dose Surge protocol overcame everything that I could throw at it. There was always a marked decrease of post workout soreness, I always had great pumps, my strength went up (rep wise at least) and I did not notice any fat increases due to the increased carbs. Fat loss, bulking, strength gain; it does not matter; a double dose of Surge fits every scenario. Anyone from a professional, recreational or health enthusiast can benefit from the peri, mid, and post feedings of Surge.

Many, many thanks to Biotest for allowing me to participate in this little experiment. For me, this has gone from theory to fact-- double dosed Surge does the body good. Biotest, heads up, you have got another order for Surge coming at you!

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Some guy walked in front of me while I was warming up with some joint mobility, he laughed at me when I was doing head circles. That was annoying, but typical. I asked him what he thought was so funny and he walked away. This guy was so stiff he couldn’t even touch the floor without bending his knees if he wanted to. Later on, though, I got complimented by some guy who was doing curls in the squat rack. He called me a ‘freak,’ while I was doing weighted pullups. I can live with that. I told him I was training for healthy living, haha.

Anyways, today is my final dose of double serving Surge. My last few sessions have been great. My soreness has been less than usual. I can certainly tolerate downing the Surge, even though there is a lot of it. I’ve certainly gained appreciable strength and size while experimenting with this protocol. I will post a more detailed summary in a couple of days, regarding my overall double dose Surge experience. Stay tuned!

-John A. Sifferman NSCA-CPT

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First, the flavor: I love regular Surge. It is like candy to me. I wasn’t wild about the raspberry flavor at first, but it has grown on me. I still don’t like it as much as the original, but it’s damn good.

My recovery has been awesome on this protocol, especially considering I’ve been dieting the whole time. I’ve been able to do more volume, and I find myself with energy to burn at the end of my workouts rather than completely exhausted. There is a huge difference for me over taking just a half dose before working out. The weight I’m able to move has gone up every week.

My DOMS resolves itself MUCH faster, with the exception of my hamstrings; they stay sore longer than any other muscle, though I have no idea why.

I can definitely see some positive body composition changes. While my weight isn’t going down as rapidly as before the experiment, my muscles seem to be fuller, and I’m still dropping fat.

Overall, I am extremely happy with this. Many thanks to Biotest for this opportunity. I am going to be sticking with this protocol for awhile, I think.