I actually really like the raspberry Surge flavor. For me it’s just as good as the original, and that’s sayin’ a lot.
Shugs, since you’re the one who created the V-diet, as well as advocating this new training protocol. (which, I happen to be using a ‘bastardized’ poor college students version of as well as these lucky guinnea pigs.)
Anyway.
My question is: On the V-diet, many people reported feeling sluggis and crappy during their workouts due to the lack of carbs. Do you think the double-dose surge protocol could rid this ‘problem’ without completely fucking up the diet?
…you know, not that you’d need a test subject or anything. For scientific purposes, or stuff like that. [/shamelessness]
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Shugs, since you’re the one who created the V-diet, as well as advocating this new training protocol. (which, I happen to be using a ‘bastardized’ poor college students version of as well as these lucky guinnea pigs.)
Anyway.
My question is: On the V-diet, many people reported feeling sluggis and crappy during their workouts due to the lack of carbs. Do you think the double-dose surge protocol could rid this ‘problem’ without completely fucking up the diet?
…you know, not that you’d need a test subject or anything. For scientific purposes, or stuff like that. [/shamelessness][/quote]
I’d prefer that V-Dieters stick to one serving and use the rest of the calories for something designed to be more filling like Metabolic Drive.
And actually, it’s a little unfair saying the V-Diet causes sluggishness during training. That’s true with every effective fat loss diet and even more so with a reduced carb plan.
In fact, I know one trainer who can tell when her clients cheat on their diets because they have very good workouts (lots of strength and energy.) She busts them every time.
Then there are a few who actually have better workouts on a lower carb plan. This is probably because 1) they’re genetically wired to handle fewer carbs 2) their regular diets were so bad and caused so many crashes and energy fluctuations that the healthier diet, even if low carb, sets them on a more even keel.
Just some thoughts!
[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
And actually, it’s a little unfair saying the V-Diet causes sluggishness during training. That’s true with every effective fat loss diet and even more so with a reduced carb plan.
[/quote]
Good point.
Haha, thats impressive.
Report 6:
F*@king Trogdor-ed! Yes, Trogdor is actually a verb. I have no other words to describe how AWESOME this workout was. I added sets, weight, reps, and/or cut rest intervals for every exercise, except my db bench (I’m bored/stale on them. I need to move on). No change in supplements from last week either.
Total reps–[u]336[/u]
tri/push reps–139
bi/pull reps–120 --less reps, but more weight
other reps–77 (low trap complex)
I was there for about 3 hours. No hunger, no dip in energy, nothing. I tell you, if Surge can keep my upper body from being paralyzed with DOMS in the next few days, I can’t imagine what else I could test this with except for Strongman stuff.
Nausea prevents me from drinking too much of anything with that stuff. If I’m going to be fresh, by some miracle, for my Sunday upper body workout, this will seal the deal with me and double Surge with no hesitations.
I made the 150 lb db row for 8 reps (3 rep PR).
below is the session, with last weeks sets/reps underneath in grey for comparison…WARNING–loooong post ahead. But I don’t care, b/c this was amazing!
Workout:
db neutral grip bench, work up to max single, immediately drop down and did a set of 5
db rows 80x5, 90x5, 100x5, 115x3, 130x3, 140x3, 150x8, 100x9
A1) db seated overhead press 2x8, 1x7, 1x6
A2) pull-ups 2x8, 1x6, 1x5
Dips 2x10, 1x8
B1) Elbows out Tate press 1x12, 1x10, 1x8–waay more weight than last week, but forgot a set
[quote]1x12, 1x10, 1x8, 1x6[/quote]
no rest
B2) incline db low-trap shrugs/[10-2 trap raises]–giant set-- 10/[6]/8/[3], 10/[6]/10, 10/[5]/10
[quote] 1x6/[3]/6/[3], 1x8/[6]/6. 1x6/[4-hit the chair]/6[/quote] --tripled the weight from last week on shrugs for the last set, had much more in me
Pull-ups 1x5
strict rope grip tricep pushdown 1x10, 1x8, 1x8
[quote]80x4 drop 60x6, 60x6[/quote]–increased weight from 1st set, no drop in weight for 2nd/3rd
reverse cable flyes (CT’s back exercise) 1x8, 1x6+1x4 for weak left rear delt
[quote]40x6, 60x4[/quote]–upped the weight from last week, still had more in me.
db curls 1x8, 1x6, barbell/db drop set–bb 1x4, db 1x6, db 1x6
I added weight to shoulder presses, and added a LOT of weight to Tate press/shrug superset/giant set. I knew I was nowhere near what I should have been doing last week–I was feeling out the exercise. I’m still nowhere near my limit for that super-giant set.
I added lots of weight to the pushdowns and reverse flyes. I added curls in to the workout because I felt great. I was thinking about going back to dips, but the gym was getting close to closing.
Incidentally, if you have trouble keeping from crashing with a preworkout Surge serving (like me), either take 1/2 serving, or use some wheat bread to help slow the rush down. I think it helps those people sensitive to it.
Up .8 lbs from last week, which is about what I’m shooting for. I tend to put on fat rather quickly when gaining 1+ lbs. per week. I have still had no issues whatsoever recovering despite doing 3x/week of intense weight training, 2 cardio/ab sessions a week, and various amounts of soccer depending on how much we practice with the kids.
I’m sold on the double-dose protocol, and it’s only been a couple of weeks. I will take body comp measurements tomorrow morning.
How are carb sensitive people responding to this? I can’t take pre-workout Surge as I literally start to get the “carb sleepies” mid-way through my workout. For me, it’s protein powder and fish oil or walnuts pre-workout.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
How are carb sensitive people responding to this? I can’t take pre-workout Surge as I literally start to get the “carb sleepies” mid-way through my workout. For me, it’s protein powder and fish oil or walnuts pre-workout.[/quote]
Just fine. I’ve been doing as Chris Shugart recommended, and having a P+F meal an hour or an hour and a half before training. Right before I start, I mix up the first dose of Surge, set up everything (I usually have the gym to myself) down the whole thing at once, and get to working. Paradoxically, it seems like when I sip the Surge throughout the workout, I get sleepy; if I just down it at once, I get a nice boost of energy halfway through the workout (around 15-20 minutes in). Of course, I cannot be certain that the causation is as I perceive it to be, but that is just my experience.
I’m still losing weight at a steady rate, and as I indicated in a previous post, my cravings for simple carbs have diminished substantially since starting this regime.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
How are carb sensitive people responding to this? I can’t take pre-workout Surge as I literally start to get the “carb sleepies” mid-way through my workout. For me, it’s protein powder and fish oil or walnuts pre-workout.[/quote]
I used to have that problem before HRT. My carb sensitivity is much better now. I still take 1 full serving during a workout for budget reasons and it makes my teeth hurt if I take two. I just dont see the need to take two. Very few of the “big” guys in gyms dont even take Surge.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
How are carb sensitive people responding to this? I can’t take pre-workout Surge as I literally start to get the “carb sleepies” mid-way through my workout. For me, it’s protein powder and fish oil or walnuts pre-workout.
Just fine. I’ve been doing as Chris Shugart recommended, and having a P+F meal an hour or an hour and a half before training. Right before I start, I mix up the first dose of Surge, set up everything (I usually have the gym to myself) down the whole thing at once, and get to working. Paradoxically, it seems like when I sip the Surge throughout the workout, I get sleepy; if I just down it at once, I get a nice boost of energy halfway through the workout (around 15-20 minutes in). Of course, I cannot be certain that the causation is as I perceive it to be, but that is just my experience.
I’m still losing weight at a steady rate, and as I indicated in a previous post, my cravings for simple carbs have diminished substantially since starting this regime.[/quote]
I’ll add that for me, if I DON’T sip it gradually, I crash hard taking a preworkout Surge. I have found that so far, it’s best for me to finish it 10-15 minutes before I start lifing, but not after gulping it all down. I kinda spread it out. Do what works for you.
Report 7:
De squat day today, nothing major, felt energized and with it, even though I went to bed at 5am and woke up almost the same time to go prep for an exam today.
Gradually upping the volume here, as I’m getting over a serious overworking of the legs/low back in the past 4-5 weeks. Will be adding volume weekly in wave form, same with upper body.
On a whim I tried something new with bands today, will explain after the workout
Workout:
Speed box squats warmup, 10x2, 1st set w/o chains, last set with mini bands
Snatch grip DL from deficit, warmup, 1x5 floor, 1x5 plate, 2x5 tire deficit (5-6inch), 1x2 tire + plate (8 inch ish)
Natural GHRs–3x8
Pull-throughs cable + mini band 3x10
incline abs and rotations, heavy angle 2x15 30lb bar
used mini bands along with a cable for pull-thrus because the cable stacks don’t go high enough
Finally found a use for the wussy 30lb 5ft crap bars they replaced the busted Oly bars with (BOO HISS!)
new band application–I didn’t want to squat against bands b/c I wanted to not beat my system up this week and start from a fresh position Monday. Anyway, I decided to choke minis around the base at the front part of the power cage (directly in line with the bar sitting on the J hooks above them.). Place the other end of the bands as far out on the sleeves as possible to get a bit more tension on the bands.
When you unrack the bar and step back the bands pull you directly forward and down, almost like a GM. You have to really keep yourself upright to keep proper form. I think I like this. I’m going to try next week too, maybe try double choking them if it’s too easy with only one choke.
Potentially cool. I’m also going to try them with the bands directly at the back of the cage, but that will proabaly not work as well unless I’m doing front squats. We’ll see.
48-72 hour soreness report = NON-EXISTENT!
That amazing workout I had for the upper body did absolutely nothing to me DOMS wise. At nearly 3 times my normal volume in an upper body workout, along with setting new weights, adding sets, adding reps, and adding exercises, all in one session, I felt GREAT waking up the next day. Ok, so I figured, by Fri/Sat. I’d be unable to move…Wrong! I felt no soreness on Fri., despite having nearly 0 sleep. I feel brand new today as well. This Surge experiment is the real deal.
I have to agree with you Aragorn… I’m able to do a lot more and not pay as much of a price. The real proof was that the day after my leg workout, I was able to walk up the steps to my office without any pain to speak of. A little soreness, but nothing too bad.
My two workouts this weekend went well.Ihave started taking my pre-workout Surge about an hour before training on leg days.I have also started taking Rasberry pre-workout and Original post-workout.My recovery has been better than ever.I have virtually no muscle soreness when I train a bodypart for the second time in the week.
Good stuff to report this week. Had a very late night last night due to some social obligations (don’t want to end up like that “Meat” guy), felt like crap all morning, and still managed to set PR’s in squat and deadlifts today. This definitely made my day and is a welcome start to week 3 - let’s see if I can do it tomorrow with bench and rows.
Report 8:
assistance upper, replaced DE movement with a regular RE style bench
incline neutral grip db press 4x8 + 4
v-grip cable rows 4x15
rope tricep pushdowns 2x10, 2x8
facepulls 4x10
dips 4x8
lat pulldown 4x10
All went well, upped weights used and reps from the last session, as well as adding a set to each exercise.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
How are carb sensitive people responding to this? I can’t take pre-workout Surge as I literally start to get the “carb sleepies” mid-way through my workout. For me, it’s protein powder and fish oil or walnuts pre-workout.[/quote]
The key for me is to make darn sure it’s “pre” workout, like after the warm-up and 30 seconds before the first working set.
Not “pre” meaning an hour before, but some people do have success with that.
Report 9:
ME lower
I suppose it was a successful session. I worked up to a 50 lb beltless PR , and a 50 lb belted PR on the GMs. Form on the last 2 singles wasn’t great according to my observer, but it felt good to me, and it was to depth for sure. However, I ran out of gas after my back extensions, and didn’t end up doing the barbell carries or abs. I’ll finish them tomorrow.
Workout:
GM work up to new max
cambered bar box squat 5x5 culminating in 2 5RMs
Heavy squat supports (new this week) 118% of max squat 2 x 10 seconds
Dimel Deadlifts 2x5, 1x8 – felt like a million pounds after the supports. Bah.
45 degree weighted barbell back extensions 4x8
----->this is where I ran out of gas. needed to do 1/2 mile barbell carry and 3 sets of weighted abs. Will do abs on Wed. and probably finish the barbell carry tomorrow, if my low back can move.
Disappointed I wasn’t able to get all my written schedule down, but the PRs make me feel good. Surge is working, and I might add that it’s getting a lot easier to chug down my 2 servings. I took my Spike and Power Drive way too early today, thinking I’d get to the gym a lot sooner than I actually did. Oh well.
I was super sick last week… so unfortunately…no working out… I tries and it wasn’t pretty–I think I actually made myself worse! and I typically never get sick!
Started back on the weights today… hit my shoulders hard but felt and feel fine.
Also—been yacking everyone’s ear off about this stuff (male and female)
Plan to hit the shoulders 3 times this week—GROW GROW Grow!!!