The Dating Thread

May I ask why not?

It appears as if these two had a friendship going beforehand, a friendship that is now defunct as one party has proclaimed romantic feelings.

That seems a little bit sad doesn’t it? I understand as to how it might be a little bit awkward, but it also seems cruel to totally cut someone out just because they’ve said “I like you”.

Now if the gym buddy on the other hand decides to jump ship, all is fine. I don’t see why the only two outcomes that can eventuate are

  • we NEED to start dating
  • we can’t ever talk again

If you’ve already been friends for quite a while.

This isn’t fifth grade, I’d like to think adults are mature enough to suck it up and think “well that hurts… But I like being friends with this person even if they feel differently.”

Friendship is better relative to cutting someone you care about out of your life forever. Sex tends to screw up friendships… But saying “I like you, wanna try going out?”, It’s rejection… But it shouldn’t screw things up nearly as badly as schtupping your friend.

Sure but I like to make sure I’m not free riding.

But are you honest about it?

Men and women being close friends is rare. Yes, sure, there are men and women who know each other from childhood and are still friends, but they usually aren’t close and do not spend time with each other alone. I have one close female friend I know for 20 years and I love her like family member. This is rare and about incidentally.

I have no idea what this guy’s frame of mind is, but statistically speaking, considering he does not have the same makeup as Anna (he wants sex and companionship, which is what “likes me” means), chances are he is not going to stick to a possible friendship anyway considering he intends on finding a woman who wants what he wants.

Men cannot be rejected and simply immediately command themselves to stop being romantically and sexually interested in a particular woman. If he sticks around for friendship it will be a strange and strained friendship. A man not cannot just command, “Note to self: don’t get that butterflies-in-stomach feeling around this woman.”

I already knew the guy “likes” her before she said so.

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Understood, thank you for clarifying.

Has granted me some perspective. You’d think I wouldn’t be this oblivious, but such is sometimes the case

Was also aware the guy was into her though… I caught onto that one #socialprowess

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I am totally on board with this thinking, by the way. I’ve met a whole load of ugly people, a whole load of fat people, a whole load of dirt poor people, and a whole load of people with deeply off-putting personalities. I’ve not met many people who stay single their whole lives. Something else is going on here.

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To me, this is a heady mix of western libertarianism and capitalism. Western libertarianism teaches you that you should have ultimate freedom to do whatever you want. Most people frankly can’t handle that choice, especially when paired with the capitalist idea that everything can and should get better at all times. That growth and improvement are the measure of success. This is why people become lost and dissatisfied.

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Well why do you think online dating has boomed these recent years.

I’m with you 100%. I’ve been on both sides. Better to just move on in the long run.

This. Most guys, especially the younger ones, don’t know better and stay there. Which will only most likely bring pain.

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Well… it’s very awkward to bring up the topic of serious relationship. I don’t want to make any assumptions in that direction

I assume they are friends until otherwise specified.
My little bro has a couple of close female friends, many of whom are rich and gorgeous. He has hung out with them in a similar manner to how I was hanging out with gym buddy and treats them better than most ppl treat their actual partners.

He isn’t romantically interested in any of them. they go to him for dating advice or when they’re having trouble with their boyfriends.

I have a few gorgeous friends (actual sponsored fitness models). I am not considering them as prospect because of various reasons (living afar, one has the same name as me etc), but I can tell you I am very attracted to them and if circumstances were a bit different I wouldn’t hesitate to try things, and if they were to propose something I certainly wouldn’t spit in their faces with disgust

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That’s a good post but you are also referring to a time that is enormously different than now. Though I cannot go every single difference at length in this thread, I will go over some, but not in detail. And I am warning that this might be a post some do not like.

You refer to a time in which women needed men. They did not earn six figures, own their own cars and homes, couldn’t earn a living through Patreon and OnlyFans, and were expected to marry and raise up to seven kids. They were nice to men because they needed to eat, and because of such a situation, couldn’t concoct a laundry list of what they desired in men and thereby leaving men jumping through hoops trying to figure out how to attract a woman. A man was expected to be functional, faithful, protect, and provision. Because women now do not need men, and have an ever-changing assortment of characteristics they find attractive men, many of them completely meaningless for marriage and child raising, many men are confused. I should also add that slut shaming occurred because men did not want to pair up with a whore because they did not want to literally be cuckolded and be stuck raising other men’s kids and financing his unfaithful wife’s fun with other men, which actually occurs in the current day.

There was enforced monogamy. In such a construct, people quickly figure out who is going to have sex and pair up with whom and there is no room or time to rack up a “lay count”, “experiment”, and by screwing around, find out who is “good in bed” before “settling down” with this person who is “good in bed”. Up and down the socioeconomic ladder, men and women met organically or were paired up by friends and family members. That meant that nearly all men, from the unsophisticated laborer, all the way up the highly-educated professional man from a rich and powerful family were paired up appropriately and quickly. The top men attracted beautiful upper-class women first, the ordinary men were paired up after, and the homely men were paired up last, and that was it. In such a construct, there would be little discussion about “dating” because dating as a hobby and pastime would not exist. No dating coaches, no dating advice,no outwardly expressed obsessions with sex.

You went way back in time. There was no no-fault divorce and people frowned upon divorce. A woman could not no-fault divorce (get bored with) a man, fleece him, and take his children away from him (because she got bored). Adultery was dealt with severely in some places back in those times.

Because there was not much room to screw around, “pump and dump”, and womanize, women’s pair bonding ability with husbands was not damaged. Men did not have to deal with comparisons to a list of exciting “exes” and be told “you’re not like this” and “you’re not like that”. Women’s list of exes can now start at as young as thirteen years old.

I am a borderline late Gen X’er-millenial. So I come from he latchkey-kid era. Looking back at 42 years old, now having two kids, one being a daughter, I look bad on the lunacy of that era, especially the permissive parenting of the time. Many kids spent what seemed to be all damn day hanging out with each other. And many of the girls were always hanging out with guys. And I have an assortment of unpleasant stories that came about as a result of this stupid and dangerous scenario, with future divorces in adulthood being the least unpleasant to talk about and sexual abuse and coercion being the most unpleasant to talk about.

Up until say, the 1980s, in some communities or families in the US, women could not hang out with any guy they wanted to. That is, their male cousins, fathers, brothers, and uncles, and neighbors surveilled and snooped up on them. That meant they could not “talk to” a bad boy who they felt was a poor fit for the family or who wanted to simply “add a notch to his bed post”. So it would not be unusual for a male family member to ask, “Who’s that guy who called the house?” or “Who is that guy I saw you with?” I don’t know of the details, but there was an incident of my aunt hanging out with a guy my granddad did not want her going out with because he thought the guy was a bad fit. He scared her and that was the end of that. Men are no longer the authorities of their own households or families and not respected in the way they once were. And because of modern technology, women will and can meet men across the globe, a far cry away from the 1800’s in which women only dealt with the men of their own communities.

There was no way for women to go on Spring Break or go to big-city nightclubs surrounded by hundreds of physically fit, aggressive, horny, and intoxicated men seeking to bed down women and even when these opportunities did come around in the future, some families still did not approve of all that.

But now fathers are not expected to lead their children in the right direction. Like I’m supposed to one day hear, “Hey dad, I’m going to the Miami music festival. I’m gonna be around roided up high-as-a-kite, horny men who want to screw me. I will stay in the same hotels and be in and on insanely crowded beaches and dark nightclubs with them. What do you think of this g-string I’m gonna wear in front of all of them?” And I’m supposed to reply, “That’s awesome. I mean, that sounds like safe fun. What can go wrong?” After all, nowadays you shouldn’t be strict (which means have normal expectation for life success) because the kids will rebel, which supposes partners and family members should be permissive and do nothing.

I can go on, but all those restraints, restrictions, and constructs I mentioned made finding mates a straightforward process. Men were not driven nuts by a “dating scene”. And marriage and children were open to nearly all men.

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IMO this is not a bad thing in itself. As a woman, I like that men don’t have all the power.

I find THIS to be a VERY big problem. It’s bad for both sexes. One of my HS classmates actually flunked a class and had to transfer schools because of a bad breakup.
My parents were very strict about me not having a boyfriend in HS and I 100% agreed with them

Good!

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Thanks for taking the time to write that, @BrickHead. I have some homework that I put off till the last minute so I’ll give you a reply tonight or tomorrow if that’s cool.

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You can like and think those, but I think you should realize your and other women’s power was given to you by men. The same goes for all the technology and appliances that made their lives easier and fun.

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Did man seek to control women because men are biologically stronger than women? (In most cases)

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Your post supposed men dominated women simply because they could. Civilizations restrained female sexuality and their desire for fun and subordinated them because of the shit show I have described in this thread and others.

This in turn restrained men too because in such a system men couldn’t sleep around (although some infidelity did occur).

And it wasn’t simply about dealing with women. At one point, England had legalized revenge-killing for male homewreckers by cheated-on husbands.

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Are you referring to the shit show of gender norms?

You can see what I’ve written above and in the thread titled Women in Power. I can refer you to easy readings which have content on the resultant shit show (social pathologies) and female subordination.

Sexual Utopia in Power: The Feminist Revolt Against Civilization by F. Roger Devlin (the whole book, not just his essay of the same title)

The Garbage Generation by Daniel McManus

The Misandry Bubble by Imran Khan (long article)

Taken Into Custody by Dr. Stephen Baskerville

Gender Politics by Dr. Stephen Baskerville

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You probably know that I agree with a lot of your viewpoints and that I voluntarily adhere to them to a very large extent

However

Maybe things might have been different if women weren’t shut out of education for so much of history. How many more ada lovelaces or Marie curies might there have been?
It is very offensive to me to think that women are only educated and high achieving “because men let them”
Did men ever need women’s permission?

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