Thank you, seriously.
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However you used it as an example as to say perhaps adolescents can reason if they can excel in calculus.
I don’t think so. You also have some very young, talented mathematicians solving similar equations at 12-13. Academic intellect and the ability one has to live independently, take care of themselves (and others), and make good life decisions don’t necessarily correlate
I think many young people are capable of getting married and having kids, at the same time I think many aren’t.
Especially with the way some are raised nowadays, they hit eighteen and they can’t even do their own laundry. It really depends on how mature the young adult is. How have they been raised?
To note, I don’t necessarily think this is the young adults fault. It’s sad so many are so childish when they hit their 20’s. I put the blame on the parents at this point in time
Environmental variables can invoke a huge attitude shift within a teenager/young adult. Kids/young adults are SO soft nowadays.
I’m generalising… rather, middle to upper class, privileged young adults tend to be very soft.
With the prefrontal cortex… it’s possible to get around it, but it will never be optimal. As specified, the modern man (and woman) can bypass primitive urges… however you can’t rewire primitive biology, you can only be aware of it and resist falling victim to bad choices.
Humans aren’t entirely animalistic. There’s certainly an “animal” within us all that unfortunately comes out from time to time, but I’d like to think the civilised side of humanity as well as the spiritual side tends to take over for the brunt of our day to day festivities.
This is my bad
I tend to be too black and white #autism
Will try harder to stay relevant in future 
Speaking of relevancy, apparently the flavour and texture of white wine can vary depending on the nature of the fermentation process and subsequent PH balance of the wine
I thought it was all stupid poison, but according to my cousin (similar age, studying to become chef) there is quite a nuanced culture behind all of this poisonous crap!
Now I’m being dragged to a “wine tasting” thing because apparently I need to be more educated. Trying to learn how to become a better cook. I still don’t get it, wine tastes like feet (or what I imagine feet must taste like).
Why create a whole snobby, obnoxious dynamic behind it?
Very on topic @BrickHead
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Yep, several factors determine the flavor of wine and other alcoholic beverages. The soil, mineral content of water used, materials used in the fermenting containers (oak casks, etc.), length of fermentation, and other aspects determine the final flavor.
I’m not especially into wine, but the wine I drank at a winery in Israel was delicious and the best I’ve ever had.
I’m not here to tell others what is or isn’t good
By chance were you drinking kiddush wine? It’s like grape juice with only a hint of foot, so it’s actually quite nice
Lotto sugar though
I went to a wine tasting at the Yarden winery and drank seven or eight different types. While they were all halachically kosher and one was a sweet dessert wine, none were kiddush wines like Manischewitz or Mogen David.
Do you spit it out or do you actually consume the wine?
I’ve been told for my “wine tasting” I need to drink it.
I’m sure it’s all in good fun, but I have a feeling the “chef” is going to get me a little bit inebriated on purpose as I’m taking a course in wine wasting by an 18 y/old who is soon to graduate culinary school.
I haven’t been drunk since March… I’m on vacation… why not?
However I’ve noticed Europe has a drinking culture equitable to, albeit perhaps not quite as destructive as the drinking culture in Australia. When I’m with extended family at dinner I’ll frequently be offered a beer or wine, and many act surprised or even seem a little bit disappointed when I turn it down.
Perhaps it’s common decency to accept a drink, but I don’t want to drink daily… or even weekly for that matter. In Australia I didn’t even drink monthly, but now that I’m overseas on holiday (holiday ends Jan, then things get more serious) I’m finding myself accepting the odd beer here and there.
I vastly prefer beer to wine. Beer is fizzy, fizzy is satisfying
I have a feeling when all is said and done ill have consumed more alcohol in the five weeks I’ve spent in Europe than I have all year, which isn’t saying much as I hardly drink. This isn’t to say I’m a square or a "responsible young man’'. Far from it, used to be quite wild and I’m not opposed to having a bit of degeneracy laden fun once in a blue moon (it has been many moons though)… however I draw a hard line when it comes to any kind of activity involving property destruction, stealing, mindless violence or any form of harassment.
I’m celebrating Christmas for the first time ever this year, and on Christmas eve I’ve been told I’m expected to drink quite a lot. Then there’s the wine tasting, the house party coming up, new years (I’ve opted out of drinking for new years, but I’m sure people are going to push a lot of ‘peer pressure’ on me over it).
For the most part I expect to nurse one or two beers throughout the night aside from Christmas with my family… if they want me to get drunk I’ll do it as we haven’t all hung out in years.
We were only poured a drink or two worth of each wine, so I swallowed the types I like and spit out the others. I don’t like being drunk, so I actively avoid drinking to inebriation.
I reckon whoever told you that is trying to get you drunk. Can you discern the flavor of milk without swallowing it? Orange juice? Mouthwash? Cola? Same goes for wine. In a complex wine, some of the flavors take longer to discern, but one needn’t chug, guzzle, or even ingest to taste the flavors. Just hold it on your tongue for a moment longer.
Agreed, albeit on alternative grounds. Beer (quality beer, at least) also has a nutrient that aids in building bone density. Granted, quality wine fights heart disease, but beer’s flavor and texture is invariably preferable to me, too.
Congrats! I have Jewish heritage on my mom’s side, and I’m also convinced Jesus is the Messiah. I thoroughly enjoy Christmas, even though it may not be when Jesus was actually born. The expected excessive drinking is unfortunate, though. I dislike when a holiday devolves to little more than intoxication.
That’s what I do at any get-together. It enables me to enjoy a beer AND use it as a shield against pressure lol.
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Oh… almost certainly… it’s my 18 year old cousin who is soon to graduate from (I believe) one of the best culinary schools in his country (in by scholarship too I think)
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I’m Jewish
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think Jesus could be the messiah. If he was, we would have seen an end to all war/world peace, everyone living in harmony when he purportedly came back from the dead…
I don’t think the messiah would want to come now… look at how screwed up the whole world is…
I don’t believe in the concept of a messiah, but each to their own.
Not a jab at anyone, I personally equate the construct as being akin to false hope. Chances are humans wipe one another out before any form of mass awakening or world peace occurs.
Just look at how awful the world is at the moment…
#positivity
Don’t have sex. I’m not necessarily saying it’s “easy,” or that it’s “normal,” or that it’s “right.” Or that you should abstain.
But it’s really not that hard to not get in bed with someone. In fact, it’s easier, much easier, to abstain from sex than it is to find someone and convince them (with words, actions, or looks) to sleep with you.
Same with watching porn and/or masturbating. I’m not saying don’t do those things (everyone has different opinions about them), but just don’t do them.
If it’s really hard (hehe), set up some parental controls of your iPhone and laptop to block pornography and when interacting with other humans, don’t have sex with them.
I completely understand the desire to do those things, especially in (young) males, but also completely disagree with the notion that one is somehow suffering if not partaking in those activities or that it is some sacrifice or monumental task to not engage.
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Word!
Jesus’ initial talmidim/ disciples had the same understanding and they asked him if he was going to restore the kingdom then -
"So when they came together, they asked Him, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”
Jesus replied, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
After He had said this, they watched as He was taken up, and a cloud hid Him from their sight. They were looking intently into the sky as He was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them.
“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.” (quoted from Acts 1)
Which, very interestingly, is exactly how Jesus described the world’s condition right before he returns. His followers had asked him what things would be like at the end of the age/ before the world to come.
"While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”
Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains…
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. And let no one in the field return for his cloak.
How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.
At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible. See, I have told you in advance…
As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.
Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day on which your Lord will come. But understand this: If the homeowner had known in which watch of the night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. For this reason, you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour you do not expect." (portions of Matthew 24.)
The phrase Son of Man comes from Daniel 7. I like the modern Jewish Publication Society’s translation of “one like a human being.” The 1985 JPS Tanakh says:
“As I looked on,
Thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took His Seat.
His garment was like white snow,
And the hair of His head was like lamb’s wool.
His throne was tongues of flame…
A river of fire streamed forth before Him;
Thousands upon thousands served Him; …
The court sat and the books were opened…
…because of the arrogant words that the horn spoke, the beast was killed as I looked on; its body was destroyed and it was consigned to the flames…
As I looked on, in the night vision,
One like a human being
Came with the clouds of heaven;
He reached the Ancient of Days
And was presented to Him.
Dominion, glory, and kingship were given to him; …
His dominion is an everlasting dominion that shall not pass away,
And his kingship, one that shall not be destroyed.”
I’ll tag you in the Religion thread with more about why I’m convinced Jesus is the Messiah.
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We can agree to disagree on this matter, though I won’t go into detail as to why I disagree
Think about what happens if you abstain from all three… what potentially embarrassing scenarios have the potential to occur… if you don’t get “release” often enough, it’ll still come out… just when you least expect it to/REALLY don’t want it to happen.
If this is a person’s main concern and their reasoning for why they cannot abstain from sex/masturbation/pornography than I sincerely believe they have bigger issues at hand than the need for a release.
I don’t mind if you share why you disagree with me. I probably won’t change my mind, haha, but you’re welcome to say whatever.
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How does this occurrence that will likely go unnoticed by anyone measure up to the complications of having casual sex?
Do you approve of legal escorts?
@jshaving I think the reason why some men feel they’re suffering is because the libido is being near constantly stoked by sexual imagery and easily accessed pornography. American society is sex obsessed and puts female sexuality front and center in a variety of avenues: entertainment, social media, advertising, and public semi-nudity. If a man chooses to block this out/and or realize the silly game that’s being played (manipulation), it is much easier to deal with.
For sure. I think you could kind of compare it to alcohol. My dad has been trying to quit drinking, and watches football a couple nights a week. He sees beer ads every five minutes, and it’s “triggering.” I think the same goes for sexuality - it’s become such a huge part of society that’s just in your face all the time. (That’s how I feel. People are free to disagree.) It can be hard to not feel like something is missing from your life when you’re encouraged to make it part of your life everywhere you turn.
And, just another thought I had regarding the ongoing conversation with Unreal. If my son, twenty years from now (he’s 1), comes to me and says that he hasn’t been sleeping with anyone and has been refraining from masturbating, and that he finds himself busting nuts in the McDonald’s drive through or while in church or while giving presentations in class, etc. I would take him to a doctor.
Sex drive be damned, I find the idea that as a 22 year old man I should be unable to have enough self control to not be involuntarily ejaculating every two hours unless I partake in activities where that is the end goal, insulting. Men, (maybe not adult males) should be capable of that.
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Great conversation, I’d just like to jump in and add that studies show that frequent self pleasure that does not disrupt normal functioning (ie porn addiction) has been shown to have health benefits for both genders.
Not suggesting that ppl go out and start screwing themselves but just saying that if one does not have a partner, self pleasure should not be discouraged
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I’ve heard that, and maybe it’s true. I’ve never looked at any research regarding it so I’ll take your word for it, haha.
My immediate thoughts:
1). Just because something has health benefits, doesn’t mean one must do it, right? Wine can offer some health benefits, but that doesn’t mean you must drink it. Apple cider vinegar is supposedly great for you but I don’t drink it. I could, but I don’t. (Just the first example that comes to mind.) There’s tons of things that are great for our physical, emotional, mental, spiritual health but we don’t all do everything that we could.
2). I think masturbation can be, by some (religious) people, considered wrong. Some people think that the act of…“pleasuring” should be a shared experience, ie. between a couple (most of these people would define couple as a married man and woman). I have no idea where masturbating with your partner falls for those with this view though.
For me, I just think there’s this idea in society that people should always be making themselves feel good. All things sexual, all things food related, all things drug related, all things technology related, etc. People don’t seem to think that they shouldn’t be constantly doing things that give them pleasure, and that to be told not to is somehow infringing on their wellbeing.
I’m not super puritanical. I have a child with my girlfriend, I think I support legalization of marijuana, I enjoy sitting down at the end of the day to watch a dumb sitcom, I enjoy eating unhealthy food, etc. I don’t say all this to act as if I’m better than others, but it’s how I view things. I feel like there’s too much focus on what feels good is basically my issue.
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Great post, and thoughts I’ve shared before. I’ve repeatedly said I do not believe man should simply do what pleases himself in whatever fashion he wants to. Otherwise we’re like animals lacking an intellect.