I was wondering about that too. They could have at least put him on crutches.
[quote]25th wrote:
One other thing… when batman drops maroni (erick robetrs) from the fire escape it looked like he at least broke a leg but later on he’s seen walking around like nothing happend. [/quote]
Would you believe…Minor sprain?
[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
25th wrote:
One other thing… when batman drops maroni (erick robetrs) from the fire escape it looked like he at least broke a leg but later on he’s seen walking around like nothing happend.
Would you believe…Minor sprain?[/quote]
He had a cane at the end and a limp.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Pootie Tang wrote:
25th wrote:
One other thing… when batman drops maroni (erick robetrs) from the fire escape it looked like he at least broke a leg but later on he’s seen walking around like nothing happend.
Would you believe…Minor sprain?
He had a cane at the end and a limp.[/quote]
o didnt notice, but i expected a lil more damage cuz that looked like it was REALLY painful… k im done complaining
I am going to be the negative post, I didn’t think Bale’s performance was that impressive.
He established himself as Batman in the first film and is definetely superior to the likes of George Clooney, however, his voice and his acting overall seemed very weak.
He didn’t relate well with the other characters, ie Lucious Fox and Alfred, it seemed flat, and 2dimensional.
There was some rapport, I could see with him and Harvey Dent, but his good natured spirit was a little unbelievable and I would have liked to see more envy between him and Harvey. Showing his own shortcomings and richboy only child thought process corrupting an otherwise righteous Batman.
I think perhaps Heath Ledgers, intense BECOMIGN of the joke, really overshadowed Bale’s depiction of Batman. His own thoughts towards the Batman and feelings were so powerful, that towards the end of the film, I felt as if Batman was a glorified power ranger. I felt like he was some asshole trying to be a real life VR Trooper, and no savior at all.
Some things I liked were,
the portrayal of the joker and his minions, in past films the joker has some unexplicable crazy aura that draws an army towards him. In this film he is far more realistic and personable, he preys on the mentally weak and manipulates them. He uses his own people’s greed to destroy them and in the end only benefits himself. This is the REAL joker, not some cartoon creation but an actual manipultive human being that could exist in the real world (to an extent.)
I am thank ful, that they didn’t put in a Batboat or a Batplane in the film, the Batmobile is already bordering on unbelievablity and the execution of the bat cycle and batmobile at least base themselves in degrees to reality. The more battoys enter the free, the more unbelievale it becomes.
The movie was very political and anyone who doubts this obviously wasn’t paying attention, it plays on many current phobias of the American public (ie Chinese expansion, Black gangsterism) and the joker is seen as a wild card that executes prejudice for the delight of the viewer. This was part of his role, he conflicts the citizens and the viewers psyche well.
Alot of people hated that Chinese guy, and alot of white people probably silent cheered when he killed the Black gangsters. This was what he was meant to do.
I could go on and on, but as I said the movie was great.
Bale was a little flat still, his voice sucked and I might take a leap and say, I wasn’t even fully convinced he was American with that cheesy voice.
So, I saw this last night at an IMAX theater…the Dark Knight owns the summer box office and Heath Ledger has left a legacy I don’t envy anyone who follows…If they took away the costumes and the characters names this would still be a great movie.
Spoiler Alert!!!
Am I the only one who loved the outcome of the ferry scenes?
Spoilers
Yeah, the Ferry thing was great because it really hit the joker hard. I loved it when the guy tossed the clicker out the window.
And count me in on the Bat-Voice. Even though I get that he is suppose to change his voice and sound “hard core” it came off as a little forced, and was really my only complaint about the movie, but it was so minor as to be forgotten.
I also thought they did a great job with the “Die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villian” idea, which happened to both Dent and Batman by the end of the film.
sucks
that I haven’t seen it yet.
[quote]Guerrero wrote:
and alot of white people probably silent cheered when he killed the Black gangsters.[/quote]
yeah man, but I wasn’t silent about it… in fact, I stood up and cheered when those evil black gangsters got it from that evil white man…
moron.
[quote]ukrainian wrote:
Ballin4Christ32 wrote:
Wimpy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Like the “decision” of who to save? Joker was in a police station, knew that there were plenty of people to save both, gives Bat the choice, and still only one of them makes it. Too convenient.
I am assuming you know the goal was for neither to be saved? I agree with much of what you wrote, but I thought both this “decision” and the one he left up to the people on the boat were both to prove that people were willing to let others die to save their own asses or those of their own loved ones.
If I’m not mistaken police tried to make it to both locations but were too slow. I suspect the Joker knew how to time it. He waited long enough to give them the locations where only Batman would be able to make it in time to save one of them and he intentionally lead him to Dent because he knew Rachael’s death would turn him.
SPOILER!
I read on wikipedia that the joker had told them the wrong addresses on purpose. Meaning batman thought he was going to where rachael was, but the joker knew that he sent him to Dent.
Did you really have to read Wikipedia to get that?
I’m not trying to be a jack ass, but people needed to listen to what was being said. When the joker told the the address to Batman where Harvey supposedly was, Harvey used the same address to explain where Rachel died.[/quote]
When Gordon asked Batman which one he was going to save, he cleary said ‘Rachel’
What’s with all the hate for Batman’s voice? Of course it sounds forced - he’s deepening his voice to further conceal his identity.
[quote]BabyBuster wrote:
What’s with all the hate for Batman’s voice? Of course it sounds forced - he’s deepening his voice to further conceal his identity. [/quote]
It should have been mechanical deepend, perhaps with a voice box or something. Like those people with tracheotomy.
[quote]Qaash wrote:
So, I saw this last night at an IMAX theater…the Dark Knight owns the summer box office and Heath Ledger has left a legacy I don’t envy anyone who follows…If they took away the costumes and the characters names this would still be a great movie.
Spoiler Alert!!!
Am I the only one who loved the outcome of the ferry scenes?[/quote]
I have to admit I thought that the civilian boat was going to be the one to pull the trigger and it would end up destroying both boats. Of course maybe that reflects my cynical view of human nature…
I’ve seen it 2 times already. Going for a third time tonight, at 10:30 PM.
I’ve been going with various friends, too. But that’s not the main reason. It’s because the movie’s fuckin’ incredible.
At first I thought Bale’s portrayal of Batman was a little weak, but in retrospect I think I actually kind of like it.
The whole deal with Rachel and also the Joker clearly threw him for a loop. In the previous movie, he has this clear, concise plan; he is incredibly well-trained, he has a goal and he goes about executing it carefully. As Bruce Wayne he is able to have anything he wants and moves easily and confidently through the social world and as Batman his plan to combat criminals works brilliantly- even when he is thrown for a loop a couple of times.
In this movie, however, you can see the frustration building in him. He is dealing with a villian that he cannot understand and who consistently foils him. He also seems to be realizing that, as Bruce Wayne, the one girl he can’t have is the one he desires the most. It seems like he gets a little disconnected as the movie goes on and at the end when he says something to the effect of “she was going to come back to me”, it sounds like he’s trying to make himself believe it.
It seems like it is setting up for another movie, something along the lines of Gotham being cleaned up, crime dropping and the city starting to turn on an increasingly aloof Batman. Then he saves the day at the end or something like that.
I don’t know if they intended it that way, but I thought it was pretty cool how it turned out.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Spoilers
Yeah, the Ferry thing was great because it really hit the joker hard. I loved it when the guy tossed the clicker out the window.
And count me in on the Bat-Voice. Even though I get that he is suppose to change his voice and sound “hard core” it came off as a little forced, and was really my only complaint about the movie, but it was so minor as to be forgotten.
I also thought they did a great job with the “Die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villian” idea, which happened to both Dent and Batman by the end of the film.
[/quote]
The ferry scene was great. Add me to the voice thing; I tried to pretend it wasn’t an issue, but it really was…
jpb
His voice was annoying for me only at certain parts. I think there were times he was forcing it and others where it just came naturally. This might be attributed to the amount of takes for that particular scene. Imagine you had to talk like that over 6 or more takes, your voice would begin to fade and you would have to force it to get the lines out.
[quote]JonP wrote:
ukrainian wrote:
Ballin4Christ32 wrote:
Wimpy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Like the “decision” of who to save? Joker was in a police station, knew that there were plenty of people to save both, gives Bat the choice, and still only one of them makes it. Too convenient.
I am assuming you know the goal was for neither to be saved? I agree with much of what you wrote, but I thought both this “decision” and the one he left up to the people on the boat were both to prove that people were willing to let others die to save their own asses or those of their own loved ones.
If I’m not mistaken police tried to make it to both locations but were too slow. I suspect the Joker knew how to time it. He waited long enough to give them the locations where only Batman would be able to make it in time to save one of them and he intentionally lead him to Dent because he knew Rachael’s death would turn him.
SPOILER!
I read on wikipedia that the joker had told them the wrong addresses on purpose. Meaning batman thought he was going to where rachael was, but the joker knew that he sent him to Dent.
Did you really have to read Wikipedia to get that?
I’m not trying to be a jack ass, but people needed to listen to what was being said. When the joker told the the address to Batman where Harvey supposedly was, Harvey used the same address to explain where Rachel died.
When Gordon asked Batman which one he was going to save, he cleary said ‘Rachel’
[/quote]
I thought that too, and then thought that maybe I misunderstood/misheard what the cops said. I figured they asked him “Who should we save?” or something along those lines, or maybe he knew he was going to save harvey but told them he was going to save rachel so they would show up there to help him.
I’ll see it again this week with a few friends and get a better listen.
[quote]Wimpy wrote:
Qaash wrote:
So, I saw this last night at an IMAX theater…the Dark Knight owns the summer box office and Heath Ledger has left a legacy I don’t envy anyone who follows…If they took away the costumes and the characters names this would still be a great movie.
Spoiler Alert!!!
Am I the only one who loved the outcome of the ferry scenes?
I have to admit I thought that the civilian boat was going to be the one to pull the trigger and it would end up destroying both boats. Of course maybe that reflects my cynical view of human nature…[/quote]
I knew the convicts boat wouldn’t do it, especially the guy who threw it out the window? Why? Because in every movie such as this, the convicts actually have a human side.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
JonP wrote:
ukrainian wrote:
Ballin4Christ32 wrote:
Wimpy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Like the “decision” of who to save? Joker was in a police station, knew that there were plenty of people to save both, gives Bat the choice, and still only one of them makes it. Too convenient.
I am assuming you know the goal was for neither to be saved? I agree with much of what you wrote, but I thought both this “decision” and the one he left up to the people on the boat were both to prove that people were willing to let others die to save their own asses or those of their own loved ones.
If I’m not mistaken police tried to make it to both locations but were too slow. I suspect the Joker knew how to time it. He waited long enough to give them the locations where only Batman would be able to make it in time to save one of them and he intentionally lead him to Dent because he knew Rachael’s death would turn him.
SPOILER!
I read on wikipedia that the joker had told them the wrong addresses on purpose. Meaning batman thought he was going to where rachael was, but the joker knew that he sent him to Dent.
Did you really have to read Wikipedia to get that?
I’m not trying to be a jack ass, but people needed to listen to what was being said. When the joker told the the address to Batman where Harvey supposedly was, Harvey used the same address to explain where Rachel died.
When Gordon asked Batman which one he was going to save, he cleary said ‘Rachel’
I thought that too, and then thought that maybe I misunderstood/misheard what the cops said. I figured they asked him “Who should we save?” or something along those lines, or maybe he knew he was going to save harvey but told them he was going to save rachel so they would show up there to help him.
I’ll see it again this week with a few friends and get a better listen.[/quote]
I had a really hard time hearing a lot of the dialogue because of the volume of the music. Especially some of Gary Oldman’s lines. Dude was mumbling like a motherfucker.
I am seeing it again this week in IMax so hopefully I will get a better listen.