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I agree with everything you said, but I’m just stating facts. I meant the whole “agree about electing a sexual abuser” thing sarcastically. Because in reality, I feel the exact same way. I don’t think Donald Trump is necessarily a good person, but if people cared that he had sexually assaulted someone before, where were they?

A common excuse is “I’m scared of what will happen to me if I report it.” You’re not scared of the POTUS, the most powerful man on earth? Really? It also never occurred to you to report it to the police when he was the host of a TV show? If you wanted attention from the accusation, that would’ve been a great time to do it.

You can’t fault someone for something they did 30 years ago if it wasn’t important to you 30 years ago. If someone approaches me in 20 years and confronts me about something I did or said in middle school, I’m going to be incredibly confused and defensive.

I’m a moderate through and through. I like to think that I operate simply on common sense. My older sister is a hardcore liberal and her response to this is usually “sexual assault is NEVER okay.” And to her point, she is correct. It isn’t. I agree that it is not, which is why I have never and will never do it. The thing about this particular instance is that she never said a word about it to anyone. People also conveniently forget that in a lot of cases, the victim lets it happen and then claims it to be assault after a long period of time. That’s not how it works. If you get assaulted, you know right away, and you tell the police and use every legal resource at your disposal to obtain justice. I worked with a girl once who told me, completely out of the blue, that she used to fuck her boyfriend 3-4x/day (which, first of all, is a total lie). She said she would start to fuck him when he was asleep, and they’d wake up and do it. Etc. Like rabbits. She then told me that he raped/assaulted her, and I said “oh my gosh, that’s horrible” and she said “yeah, he put his dick inside me while I was asleep. I didn’t consent. And I realized months later that he had raped me.”

No. Just…no. That’s not how it works. When someone puts a gun into your back on the street and takes all your money, it doesn’t take a couple months and a deep talk with your pal to realize that you got robbed. When you come home from the gym and your front door is hanging open and half your shit is gone, it doesn’t take more than 5 seconds to realize that somebody stole your stuff. It doesn’t take that long to realize that somebody committed a crime against you.

Last point on this being that it should not take 30 years to report it. I agree with you on that, and it’s a point I made to every single person who brought it up. I just think it’s funny (in a really immature, bad way) that we have an alleged sexual abuser in the highest office in our country. And Dems also conveniently forget about good old Billy Clinton. The irony is comical.

“It’s like the only religion that’s frowned upon is Christianity.”

Agreed here too. It’s hard as a Christian to watch Christianity be demonized by the media when I know that so much of what they say and imply isn’t true, but oh well. I have a good relationship with God and I don’t care what they think.

“All it takes to ruin a person’s reputation and possibly their career is one woman to claim sexual assault.”

I’ve seen countless stories about high school and college football players who have lost scholarships and even gone to jail for false rape accusations. It’s messed up. One dude even had the texts proving that he didn’t do it and he went to jail anyways. The texts literally said “I’m not going to come over I have practice in the morning and I got a girl already,” or something, and she replied with “I’m going to end your f**ing career you ^&^$ (^$%( (&$#%” etc. It’s sad.

“People may not like the Republicans, but at least they haven’t sunk to the level of the Dems.” I think both parties are sinking, but to be fair, you have a valid point. The dems are spiraling out of control.

Also, sorry for using regular quotes instead of the site’s quoting feature. My wifi is horrendous and when it’s extra awful it doesn’t let me quote things.

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In my line of duty, I’ve seen women report false about sexual abuse, it’s almost becoming a joke amongst us.
BUT we’ve all seen women been abused and who was so ashamed they wouldn’t report it.
I’ve seen very adult persons report abuse by their parents or other near family members many many years later. Because of shame or fear it took them forever to report it.
I’m not saying the women is right or wrong. If she should report it after 30 years or right after the incident.
However you can never compare rape to burglary or robbery, it is two very different things.
Had he taken 100 dollars from her purse I bet she would have reported it instantly.

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Woke at 85,4 kg - 188,3 lb
3000 calories yesterday.
Rest day today…
Don’t know how much rest it’ll be, having another 12 hour shift, this time in the capital city, guarding somewhere.
Prominent visitors in the country gives me extra hours standing on my feet the most of the day.

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I think this is a good thing for women, but most of our rape cases are false.

“I woke up and felt funny down there st I think I was raped.”

-What happened last night? Where were you?

“I don’t remember. I blacked out. I was at an apartment somewhere.”

I’m not saying that women aren’t taken advantage of, but if you’re going to get so high or drunk with other people and then think you’re raped after sex, then don’t do that to yourself. And odds are the" offender" was just as messed up and doesn’t remember.

My best rape case was when a woman showed up at the hospital with her husband to report a rape. She stayed at a hotel with her two friends and they invited a guy. They played strip poker and everything was fine. The victim woke up to one of the girls telling the guy to stop. He was trying to get with her but she was pretty much passed out. He stopped and the girl went into the bathroom. My victim followed her and felt funny down there. She decided she was raped.

I found out from the third friend (who had consensual sex with the guy) that the victim told her she fooled around with the guy and hoped she wasn’t mad because the guy was her friend.

So she got drunk and acted slutty and cheated on her husband and decided to cry rape to cover her tracks.

It seems that some women don’t know the difference between rape and shame/regret. All these false cases make us skeptical. It’s like “The Boy Who Cried Wolf”.

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As someone who grew up around the sort of party culture that was being discussed in the confirmation hearings, and who has a number of friends who have been victims of various levels of sexual assault some of which were exactly like what was being described, and some worse, I absolutely believe that everything she said is the truth. I have intervened several times in high school and college, either advertently or just by walking in on something, I think our federal government is currently doing its best to protect white male ‘good old boy’ culture, to the detriment of every other demographic out there, but women in particular, led by our sexual-assaulter-in-chief.

I know you’re right that there are some people who falsely report, but a few anecdotal cases don’t trump the vast amount of statistical data out there that false reporting is far in the minority of reporting, and most cases of false reporting fall into a couple of predicable patterns like what you described. Couple that with the large % of sexual assaults that don’t get reported, whether due to shame, fear, or rightfully feeling like they’ll be victimized all over again in an investigation and trial, or whatever reason, and we end up with where we are now. The people who are in power don’t think it’s enough of a problem to do something about it, or they’re actively complicit, and the victims are depowered, shamed and invalidated.

Sorry I soap-boxed in your log, but this is something I feel very strongly about, from a different perspective than @Frank_C , and it seems like most places on the internet become echo chambers where one perspective gets reinforced over and over until it becomes gospel in that group’s eyes.

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Last hijack, Mort!

In our alleged justice system we are all presumed innocent until proven guilty.

The fact is that evidence and proof are required and it’s always going to be lacking 20+ years later. Waiting until someone is rich and famous to speak out sends the message that the incident wasn’t important until there was something to be gained.

If a drunk couple is making out and the guy goes for 2nd or even 3rd base and the girl says “No” then is it assault? Is it a misread on the situation? If the guy stops then it’s nothing; if he keeps going then you have a crime.

In our state law the offender has to be aware that the victim isn’t in the state of mind to consent. If they’re both impaired then there’s no case.

I didn’t follow the recent case because pretty much all news makes me mad these days. I just know the allegations were 30 years old and none of the witnesses testified.

A sexual assault case is no different than any other crime. You have to prove that the elements of the crime occurred. As a US citizen you have to respect that fact because someday you might be the one accused.

I know there are many cases of assault (not rape) that go unreported or don’t get prosecuted. It’s tough to get a bunch of drunk people to remember if Sally was being mistreated by Harry at Saturday’s party.

I’m going to teach my daughter to be outspoken. Make a scene, fight back, anything. I believe the victims who submit don’t get justice because it’s tough to prove it wasn’t consensual. But if I get a case where people heard the victim cry out for help or they’re beat up then we’ll get to a jury trial and probably a conviction.

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I think she’s someone who lived with and mostly buried something for 30+ years, only talking about it to a few trusted friends and therapists, but then saw that the perpetrator was about to be in a position to make decisions that affect the choices of women for decades to come, and couldn’t stay silent any longer.

And you’re right that our justice system presumes innocence, which is why sexual assault is so hard to prosecute, which is another reason why it’s so underreported. This wasn’t a trial though, it was a job interview, and character definitely matters in the position he was just confirmed to.

I agree that it’s important to teach our daughters how to handle this sort of situation. I have 2 daughters, but also 2 sons, and it’s equally important to teach our sons what consent means, and I feel like the message that’s been learned by this confirmation hearing is that you can commit sexual assault and you won’t be held accountable.

Sorry, Mort, I’ll stop now. I love you guys and I’m glad this is a place where we can have a civil discussion about this sort of thing without resorting to name-calling and attacks. The world needs to understand that equally intelligent people can hold conflicting opinions for reasons that are totally valid to them, and while there are some empirical rights and wrongs in the world, there’s also a lot of room for shades of grey.

This is also why I try to avoid religious arguments. I have my beliefs, but I understand that there are people out there who have seen all the same evidence as me, who are as smart as or smarter than me, but who came to entirely different conclusions, and I have to respect that.

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That was a really great thing to say Steve. I keep coming to that conclusion over and over again. For every controversial issue, there are usually pretty great arguments for both sides. I think one of the best ways to get smarter (and learn more) is to understand why someone believes something and to research the strongest forms of an argument rather than to critique a straw man. Just wanted to say that was a wise comment.

Also Mort that leg volume looks crazy. I’d have trouble sitting on the toilet after a leg day like that lol

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Don’t have to say sorry guys as long as the tone is civil I can handle it.

@OTHSteve that last sentence of yours where very wise, a lot of people in the world could learn a lot.

@muskratlifts wait til saturday same workout but 2 sets more on all lifts :slight_smile: And your damn right about the visits to the toilet.

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Was talking to one of my buddies about this today and he said that in a court of law, witness testimonies are the weakest form of evidence. The human mind remembers very little of what actually happened. I took a forensics class in high school, and my teacher punked our entire class during our courtroom/legality unit.

One day, 3 minutes into class when everyone was pulling out their homework, checking their phones, or otherwise occupied, a girl walked in with a note. My teacher looked at the note and literally ran out of the room. She was gone for some time. When she came back, everyone was in a frenzy. Looking very sullen, she stood in front of the class and waited for everyone to quiet down and sit in their seats. She asked several questions, including: “How long was I gone?” “What was the color of that girl’s shirt?” “How tall was she?” “What time did she give me the note?” “What color was her hair?” “What color was the piece of paper?”

Nobody knew any of the answers. A class of 30 kids, and nobody knew the answer to a single one of those questions. She said, “If you think her shirt was blue, raise your hand.” Kids raised their hands. “If you think her shirt was pink, raise your hand… If you think her shirt was black, raise your hand.” “None of those. Her shirt was black.” That’s how it went for every question, and all 30 people messed it up.

The point is that whether it’s 5 minutes or 30 years, not a lot of the testimony is going to be accurate. And in a crime like rape, it’s hard to get evidence other than a testimony, 1) when the only witness was the victim, and 2) it happened so long ago. So when a case like this comes up, it’s not that I don’t believe the victim, or that the victim’s story is unlikely. But like @Frank_C said, our legal status is always innocent until someone is able to prove that we are guilty. Legitimate proof is hard to come by for most crimes, I would imagine.

I’m not discrediting or trying to invalidate victims of sexual assault or any crime. No sane person would do that. I’m simply stating that the longer you wait, the less seriously someone is going to take you. I know I’m kind of all over the place with my analogies, but the best example I can think of is in a classroom. If I’m struggling in my anatomy class in week 2, and I don’t see my professor for help until week 14 when I’ve been failing for 10-12 weeks, how is she going to take me seriously? The standard assumption here is that I simply didn’t care, or I thought other things were more important than anatomy class. For that reason, my professor is going to say “you’ve had access to me for the entire semester. You waited too long, there’s not much, if anything, that I can do to help you now.”

Also, to @mortdk: when I made the comparison of rape to robbery, I wasn’t intending to make it seem as if those two crimes are comparable. They aren’t. I’d rather get robbed 100 times than raped once. The comparison was more on a conceptual level than an emotional or logistical one.

Also: sorry for writing so much on your log. I think I’ve written more on yours in the last few days than I have on my own!!

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Woke at 85,5 kg - 185,5 lb
about 3000 calories most of yesterday’s food were eyeballed.

@lava2007 as stated don’t be sorry, it’s a quite interesting discussion.
We all know how hard it is witness something and giving a statement. A talented interviewer can get a lot out of a witness that they didn’t think they remembered.
Had you put your class to see something out off the class room like a traffic accident, and then had them gathered in a class room they wouldn’t remember much but some thing they would remember.
Give me about an hour with each of them and I’ll bet I could reconstruct the accident without ever been there.
As far as witness statements they count a lot in danish law and when it comes to assault, robbery and rape/sexual abuse, often the victim is the only person that has been at the scene of crime.
Is there hard evidence that points in another direction, then of course the statement is not taken as serious.
And as far as the case we’re talking about here, I will not comment on it, simply because I don’t know enough of it.

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Todays training

The Danish Viking: SGSS by coach Thib

W5D3 5 x 8 reps upper body Preparation phase

Warmup: BW squats, walking lunges, BPA, kneeling buttom up KB press, stretches, yoga stuff.
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Bench press

  • 5 x 8 @ 72,5 kg.

supper setted with

BB row

  • 5 x 8 @ 60 kg
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OHP

  • 5 x 8 @ 35 kg

Pull up

3 x 8, 2 x 7+1

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Assistance superset

  • EZ bar curl 3 x 15 @ 27,5 kg

  • side crunch 3 x 15 each side

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50 minutes + warmup about 5-10 minutes.

Well the very last rep of bench, OHP, and BB row were all close to rpe 8,5 – 9, but all moved quite well… pull ups they are still hard af.

Not much energy today, called it a day after the assistance superset.

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This is still all we have to go on at the moment. All we look for is for someone to corroborate the victim’s testimony. It adds weight to sway a jury (or even me). Essentially we start at a 50/50 split of the victim’s story vs the suspect. We have to be able to swing that far enough in favor of the victim to convince 12 people that the victim is telling the truth. Our justice system would rather see 10 guilty people go free than to convict one innocent person… or it might be 100 guilty people (can’t remember the saying verbatim). Sadly, a lot of guilty people go free.

The example your teacher used was good for proving a point but nothing was really out of the ordinary. There was no screaming, no gunshots, no crashes, nothing to catch your attention. That’s exactly why I’ll teach my daughter to make a scene if she finds herself in a bad situation—even if some boy just grabs her ass and she doesn’t like. Make it obvious. Yell at him loud enough for everyone to hear it and know he was out of line. Silent victims rarely get justice. It’s sad, but true.

@mortdk, is this “Week 3” of the original program? Last week of 8’s?

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This is the bottom line right here. The longer the silence stands, the weaker the case becomes, in my unexperienced and unprofessional opinion.

@mortdk how do you like SGSS so far? Do you feel good physically for the spot you’re in after 3 weeks?

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I’m late to the log hijacking it would seem.

What if she was informed months later by her rapist that he’d had sex with her that night without her knowing it? Unlikely sure, but what if we replace months by days to lend the what-if scenario further credibility? Everything on here is civil, and I agree a lot of valid points have been raised, by I have to address the argument that “you’d know”. No, not always.

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The point here is that she told @lava2007 that she did the exact same thing to her boyfriend numerous times. She bragged about how she’d start up with him while he was asleep. The moment he does it to her it’s rape? I don’t think so. It sounds to me that that sort of thing was acceptable in their relationship.

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To my mind, if he didn’t consent, she’s a rapist too.

As a society, we unrealistically expect our victims to be perfect; I try to disassociate from that as much as I can which is why I didn’t address that paragraph. This expectation, as far as I am concerned, lies anathema to justice and needed social change.

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This allegation would be easy to defend and it would never make it to court. The prosecutor would see the case and decline to prosecute for lack of evidence. All the guy has to say is “She does it to me all the time so I thought she was okay with it.”

That’s a reasonable statement in that context.

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Yep it’s the last week, can’t wait until next week I think 5’s are going to be easier.
I know I write week 5 that is because I’m counting my experience weeks of 12 and 10 reps with it.

This is very hard to answer. I like it so far, it’s been a long time since I did the volume work of 5 sets straight and not going for pr’s.
The sessions are short, even shorter now I’ve cut my warmup to a bare minimum.
My sleep is good and I feel fine, but tired.
I have sore quads all the time and a little pain in the knees.
40 reps of squat, DL, front Squat and romanian DL is a lot of reps :slight_smile:
But as stated next week it’s only 25 reps of each, higher weight, yes, but I think 5 i more manageable.
LOL that was a long answer, but yeah I feel fine :slight_smile:

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I didn’t do front squats. I did walking DB lunges the first six weeks and reverse lunges on the Smith the final six weeks. Don’t feel bad swapping out the front squats with something like that. I still had good results and it put the emphasis on my hamstrings and glutes instead of my quads. If knees are achy and quads are perpetually sore then maybe something like that would be good for you. It also throws in some unilateral work which is always good for us.

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