The Christian God: How do you know he's the good guy?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Elder forlife wrote:<<< Wow. I’m glad you at least admit to what I posted above. >>>[/quote]You really are sumthin. Admit? I have proclaimed all those things with boldness for a year here and now you are attempting to spin that into my being pinned into finally “admitting” them? [quote]Elder forlife wrote:And yes, you never said the word “cackling”, nor did I claim it was a direct quote. I was talking about your belief that god actually desires to damn people to eternal suffering, that he doesn’t mourn it, and that his reason for doing so is to glorify himself.[/quote]The latter in no way implies the former. God does not “cackle” like a demented witch watching His creatures burn. YOU put that characterization on the holy, just and righteous true and living God. Don’t try and now say “well I didn’t really mean it that way”. You deliberately attributed to me a blasphemous attitude toward the God I love that was not remotely contained in any statement I made. I’ll be honest. I didn’t think you would do that to me. Capped maybe, but not you.
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It’s ok to worship a god that creates everyone as dead men, and then only chooses to bring some of them to life, while condemning the rest of them to eternal suffering, without any remorse whatsoever for doing so, and solely for the purpose of glorifying himself, as long as you don’t accuse him of cackling?

You should hear yourself, dude. Amazing.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
LOL! It’s a good thing you guys weren’t around for the first constitutional convention LOL! Guys like me were all over the place. Which explains everything we see today.[/quote]

You mean guys like Thomas Jefferson, whom you have disparaged in the past, and who had the gall to declare that among our inalienable rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

I don’t recall Jefferson limiting those rights to god’s select few who are cherry picked from the cemetery of corpses that he created. Jefferson believed that all of us are entitled to these things.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
LOL! It’s a good thing you guys weren’t around for the first constitutional convention LOL! Guys like me were all over the place. Which explains everything we see today.[/quote]

Guy’s like you were hanging ‘witches’. Deists were the main instituters of the Constitution.

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Sure didn’t see this comin. Incidentally the well known and accepted doctrine of “providence” that Jefferson prominently mentioned in the DOI is my very own. Not because he believed it, but because he knew it was the ascendant view of the day. Keep lookin if you really care.

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I previously told you forlife, to understand the CONTEXT of the Bible. Yet you fall short again.

Samuel passage - Where is this passage is an example of God condoning His worshipers committing genocide? I ask simply? This passage is an example of God Himself carrying out judgment on a particular people group for particular atrocities. God is clearly against His worshipers committing murder and also against racial favoritism, so we can obviously reason that He is against their combined evil in the acts of genocide.

Hosea passage - You totally forgot to factor in “context”. Remove modern day cultural lens and travel back into the time of Hosea when human civilization was at its infancy. Not literally but simply imagine LOL It was a time with no law and order, no police, etc. If somebody stole your cow or murders someone in your tribe, there is no single person to help you, like our court system. If you want justice, your tribe only has the option of full out war and wipe out everybody in the other tribe to avoid an endless cycle of paybacks. In that time if you tried to “turn the other cheek” your tribe will be whipped out.

forlife, I asked that you understand the context of scripture and you refuse. Please do some research yourself and I told you previously to GASP talk with a Catholic priest and you refuse. Put forth some effort and see where you are.

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
forlife - No, the psalmist is upset with the death of the children and he is sharing with God, their anger! Please read the context of any scripture and think about the words, if it were a letter or whatever. The Bible is something you need to UNDERSTAND the scriptures and not just recite line after line. Also remember the intent of words is often lost in a translation, especially more than one translation! Just something to keep in mind.

As for your request/s, look up the scripture and tell me what you believe the intent is supposed to be. Are they directed at God or another or sharing or a letter? Maybe look at the preceding chapters. After you tell me what you believe, I will try to help you. However I will be gone during the next three weeks, so please do not expect a speedy reply. Instead you could even go talk with a local Catholic priest and he will be busy, but he try to help you!

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
This is taken from an email sent to me from a close priest friend of mine.

"The psalmist is speaking about when Israel was attacked and their own children had been murdered. The psalmist who is upset with the death of the children is sharing with God their anger. The psalmist is not saying they will bash the enemies�??�?�¢?? children in with a rock but that they feel like they would like to do it.

It is a psalm where one expresses their pain and anger to God. The theological importance would not be in the words themselves but in what the words express about prayer. This psalm is not like the other ones and does not confine prayer to just ask God for something but is a prayer that simply expresses pain and anger. In expressing our pain and anger to God, then God can start to heal us. Many people today mistakenly think that prayer has to be confined to sharing happy feelings like thanksgiving or praise to God. They think to express anger or pain to God is an expression of doubt in God so they put on this false front before God. This is a psalm that shares one�??�?�¢??s deep anger with God. Sometimes the most authentic prayer is the one that expresses our anger. In expressing the dark anger of wanting to murder the enemies�??�?�¢?? children, the psalmist ends with trusting in God. The psalm is teaching us to be honest and authentic with our feelings before God and not to just pretend to be happy."

[quote]ephrem wrote:
Psalms 137:8-9

8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-

9 he who seizes your infants
   and dashes them against the rocks.

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Ah, so it’s just the psalmist wanting to murder children, not god.

I wonder what your priest friend has to say about 1 Samuel 15:2-3, where god clearly commands Israel to destroy the women and children of the Amalekites, or Hosea 13:16 where he commands them to destroy the little ones in Samaria, and rip open their pregnant women.[/quote]
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I’ve read the bible in its entirety several times, and I have a pretty good contextual understanding of 1 Samuel 15:2-3 and Hosea 13:16. These are direct commandments from god to kill children. [/quote]

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BC I agree yet the understandings we have evolve as we develop a better understanding of the Bible. At least for me personally. Do you agree?

I do NOT have unbelief about anything related to the Catholic faith. I do have complete faith, I just question things before I go forth spreading an interpretation I think I have. I want to understand the Bible. Not recite the Bible line for line, but understand the CONTEXT. Many others fail in that regard, at least IMHO :o ]

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Men individually cannot understand the will of God, therefore I do not accept everything taught by the Church as the interpretation to go with, always. Please do not take this as I disagree with the Church. In fact I agree with Her teachings completely. Yet I try to understand the teachings and then the Scripture, or vice verse and then think objectively about the subject. Followed by praying and sometimes meditating. Now this is just lil ol’ me :o ]

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Please help me become better person BC, I agree whole heatedly agree in that regard. Closer to ‘man kinds’ interpretation of G-d’s will. Yet I am open to change. Yet I would still rather lead by example.
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What do you mean by 'Closer to “man kinds” interpretation of G-d’s will"?[/quote]
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Well, it is not mankind’s interpretations that the Church teaches, it is the word of G-d that it teaches, we know from 1 Timothy 3:15 that the Church is the Pillar and Bulwark of the Truth. It is guided by the Holy Ghost which cannot deceive, nor be deceived.

There is a difference between doubt and unbelief, the former is not evil and one should eventually resolve those either here or in Heaven, but the latter should be resolved abruptly and with prejudice of the evangelist. [/quote]

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I previously told you forlife, to understand the CONTEXT of the Bible. Yet you fall short again.

Samuel passage - Where is this passage is an example of God condoning His worshipers committing genocide? I ask simply? This passage is an example of God Himself carrying out judgment on a particular people group for particular atrocities. God is clearly against His worshipers committing murder and also against racial favoritism, so we can obviously reason that He is against their combined evil in the acts of genocide.

Hosea passage - You totally forgot to factor in “context”. Remove modern day cultural lens and travel back into the time of Hosea when human civilization was at its infancy. Not literally but simply imagine LOL It was a time with no law and order, no police, etc. If somebody stole your cow or murders someone in your tribe, there is no single person to help you, like our court system. If you want justice, your tribe only has the option of full out war and wipe out everybody in the other tribe to avoid an endless cycle of paybacks. In that time if you tried to “turn the other cheek” your tribe will be whipped out.

forlife, I asked that you understand the context of scripture and you refuse. Please do some research yourself and I told you previously to GASP talk with a Catholic priest and you refuse. Put forth some effort and see where you are.

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
forlife - No, the psalmist is upset with the death of the children and he is sharing with God, their anger! Please read the context of any scripture and think about the words, if it were a letter or whatever. The Bible is something you need to UNDERSTAND the scriptures and not just recite line after line. Also remember the intent of words is often lost in a translation, especially more than one translation! Just something to keep in mind.

As for your request/s, look up the scripture and tell me what you believe the intent is supposed to be. Are they directed at God or another or sharing or a letter? Maybe look at the preceding chapters. After you tell me what you believe, I will try to help you. However I will be gone during the next three weeks, so please do not expect a speedy reply. Instead you could even go talk with a local Catholic priest and he will be busy, but he try to help you!

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
This is taken from an email sent to me from a close priest friend of mine.

"The psalmist is speaking about when Israel was attacked and their own children had been murdered. The psalmist who is upset with the death of the children is sharing with God their anger. The psalmist is not saying they will bash the enemies�??�??�?�¢?? children in with a rock but that they feel like they would like to do it.

It is a psalm where one expresses their pain and anger to God. The theological importance would not be in the words themselves but in what the words express about prayer. This psalm is not like the other ones and does not confine prayer to just ask God for something but is a prayer that simply expresses pain and anger. In expressing our pain and anger to God, then God can start to heal us. Many people today mistakenly think that prayer has to be confined to sharing happy feelings like thanksgiving or praise to God. They think to express anger or pain to God is an expression of doubt in God so they put on this false front before God. This is a psalm that shares one�??�??�?�¢??s deep anger with God. Sometimes the most authentic prayer is the one that expresses our anger. In expressing the dark anger of wanting to murder the enemies�??�??�?�¢?? children, the psalmist ends with trusting in God. The psalm is teaching us to be honest and authentic with our feelings before God and not to just pretend to be happy."

[quote]ephrem wrote:
Psalms 137:8-9

8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-

9 he who seizes your infants
   and dashes them against the rocks.

[/quote]
[/quote]

Ah, so it’s just the psalmist wanting to murder children, not god.

I wonder what your priest friend has to say about 1 Samuel 15:2-3, where god clearly commands Israel to destroy the women and children of the Amalekites, or Hosea 13:16 where he commands them to destroy the little ones in Samaria, and rip open their pregnant women.[/quote]
[/quote]

I’ve read the bible in its entirety several times, and I have a pretty good contextual understanding of 1 Samuel 15:2-3 and Hosea 13:16. These are direct commandments from god to kill children. [/quote]
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So in the Samuel passage, you dismiss it because you claim it’s god killing children, rather than telling his followers to do so. By your own admission, god is now a murderer of children.

But in the Hosea passage, you admit that god is actually commanding them to kill children. You rationalize this by saying it’s really ok to kill children because back then, it was necessary to kill every child in order to protect your own tribe, just in case those children grew up and wanted revenge for killing their parents.

Does that mean the mass murder of 800,000 people in Rwanda was really ok, just in case the Tutsi children may grow up and want revenge against the Hutus that killed their parents?

It’s a disgusting, horrific act of savage violence against others, and no amount of rationalization will make it otherwise, just because it happens to be documented in your holy book.

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I previously told you forlife, to understand the CONTEXT of the Bible. Yet you fall short again.

Samuel passage - Where is this passage is an example of God condoning His worshipers committing genocide? I ask simply? This passage is an example of God Himself carrying out judgment on a particular people group for particular atrocities. God is clearly against His worshipers committing murder and also against racial favoritism, so we can obviously reason that He is against their combined evil in the acts of genocide.

Hosea passage - You totally forgot to factor in “context”. Remove modern day cultural lens and travel back into the time of Hosea when human civilization was at its infancy. Not literally but simply imagine LOL It was a time with no law and order, no police, etc. If somebody stole your cow or murders someone in your tribe, there is no single person to help you, like our court system. If you want justice, your tribe only has the option of full out war and wipe out everybody in the other tribe to avoid an endless cycle of paybacks. In that time if you tried to “turn the other cheek” your tribe will be whipped out.

forlife, I asked that you understand the context of scripture and you refuse. Please do some research yourself and I told you previously to GASP talk with a Catholic priest and you refuse. Put forth some effort and see where you are.

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
forlife - No, the psalmist is upset with the death of the children and he is sharing with God, their anger! Please read the context of any scripture and think about the words, if it were a letter or whatever. The Bible is something you need to UNDERSTAND the scriptures and not just recite line after line. Also remember the intent of words is often lost in a translation, especially more than one translation! Just something to keep in mind.

As for your request/s, look up the scripture and tell me what you believe the intent is supposed to be. Are they directed at God or another or sharing or a letter? Maybe look at the preceding chapters. After you tell me what you believe, I will try to help you. However I will be gone during the next three weeks, so please do not expect a speedy reply. Instead you could even go talk with a local Catholic priest and he will be busy, but he try to help you!

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
This is taken from an email sent to me from a close priest friend of mine.

"The psalmist is speaking about when Israel was attacked and their own children had been murdered. The psalmist who is upset with the death of the children is sharing with God their anger. The psalmist is not saying they will bash the enemies�??�??�?�¢?? children in with a rock but that they feel like they would like to do it.

It is a psalm where one expresses their pain and anger to God. The theological importance would not be in the words themselves but in what the words express about prayer. This psalm is not like the other ones and does not confine prayer to just ask God for something but is a prayer that simply expresses pain and anger. In expressing our pain and anger to God, then God can start to heal us. Many people today mistakenly think that prayer has to be confined to sharing happy feelings like thanksgiving or praise to God. They think to express anger or pain to God is an expression of doubt in God so they put on this false front before God. This is a psalm that shares one�??�??�?�¢??s deep anger with God. Sometimes the most authentic prayer is the one that expresses our anger. In expressing the dark anger of wanting to murder the enemies�??�??�?�¢?? children, the psalmist ends with trusting in God. The psalm is teaching us to be honest and authentic with our feelings before God and not to just pretend to be happy."

[quote]ephrem wrote:
Psalms 137:8-9

8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-

9 he who seizes your infants
   and dashes them against the rocks.

[/quote]
[/quote]

Ah, so it’s just the psalmist wanting to murder children, not god.

I wonder what your priest friend has to say about 1 Samuel 15:2-3, where god clearly commands Israel to destroy the women and children of the Amalekites, or Hosea 13:16 where he commands them to destroy the little ones in Samaria, and rip open their pregnant women.[/quote]
[/quote]

I’ve read the bible in its entirety several times, and I have a pretty good contextual understanding of 1 Samuel 15:2-3 and Hosea 13:16. These are direct commandments from god to kill children. [/quote]
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Good post…

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forlife CONTEXT my man, CONTEXT. Please stop placing words in my posts. The OT was written before the coming of Christ and you are trying to say God contradicts himself with NT teachings. Sorry, but our little pea brains cannot understand God and his choices eons ago. I know that God is infallible for a reason.

I can never judge another person, that is NOT and never will be my choice/position. Hence my stance on everything involving the murder of another human. From people convicted on murder to abortion, I never advocate the slaughter of another person, no matter their stage of life. The killing of another human life is NOT my choice until my life is directly threatened. Now if I could lay my life down saving the lives of strangers or my family then that would be ideal. If it could be possible, I would gladly die like a martyr.

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I previously told you forlife, to understand the CONTEXT of the Bible. Yet you fall short again.

Samuel passage - Where is this passage is an example of God condoning His worshipers committing genocide? I ask simply? This passage is an example of God Himself carrying out judgment on a particular people group for particular atrocities. God is clearly against His worshipers committing murder and also against racial favoritism, so we can obviously reason that He is against their combined evil in the acts of genocide.

Hosea passage - You totally forgot to factor in “context”. Remove modern day cultural lens and travel back into the time of Hosea when human civilization was at its infancy. Not literally but simply imagine LOL It was a time with no law and order, no police, etc. If somebody stole your cow or murders someone in your tribe, there is no single person to help you, like our court system. If you want justice, your tribe only has the option of full out war and wipe out everybody in the other tribe to avoid an endless cycle of paybacks. In that time if you tried to “turn the other cheek” your tribe will be whipped out.

forlife, I asked that you understand the context of scripture and you refuse. Please do some research yourself and I told you previously to GASP talk with a Catholic priest and you refuse. Put forth some effort and see where you are.

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
forlife - No, the psalmist is upset with the death of the children and he is sharing with God, their anger! Please read the context of any scripture and think about the words, if it were a letter or whatever. The Bible is something you need to UNDERSTAND the scriptures and not just recite line after line. Also remember the intent of words is often lost in a translation, especially more than one translation! Just something to keep in mind.

As for your request/s, look up the scripture and tell me what you believe the intent is supposed to be. Are they directed at God or another or sharing or a letter? Maybe look at the preceding chapters. After you tell me what you believe, I will try to help you. However I will be gone during the next three weeks, so please do not expect a speedy reply. Instead you could even go talk with a local Catholic priest and he will be busy, but he try to help you!

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
This is taken from an email sent to me from a close priest friend of mine.

"The psalmist is speaking about when Israel was attacked and their own children had been murdered. The psalmist who is upset with the death of the children is sharing with God their anger. The psalmist is not saying they will bash the enemies�??�??�??�?�¢?? children in with a rock but that they feel like they would like to do it.

It is a psalm where one expresses their pain and anger to God. The theological importance would not be in the words themselves but in what the words express about prayer. This psalm is not like the other ones and does not confine prayer to just ask God for something but is a prayer that simply expresses pain and anger. In expressing our pain and anger to God, then God can start to heal us. Many people today mistakenly think that prayer has to be confined to sharing happy feelings like thanksgiving or praise to God. They think to express anger or pain to God is an expression of doubt in God so they put on this false front before God. This is a psalm that shares one�??�??�??�?�¢??s deep anger with God. Sometimes the most authentic prayer is the one that expresses our anger. In expressing the dark anger of wanting to murder the enemies�??�??�??�?�¢?? children, the psalmist ends with trusting in God. The psalm is teaching us to be honest and authentic with our feelings before God and not to just pretend to be happy."

[quote]ephrem wrote:
Psalms 137:8-9

8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-

9 he who seizes your infants
   and dashes them against the rocks.

[/quote]
[/quote]

Ah, so it’s just the psalmist wanting to murder children, not god.

I wonder what your priest friend has to say about 1 Samuel 15:2-3, where god clearly commands Israel to destroy the women and children of the Amalekites, or Hosea 13:16 where he commands them to destroy the little ones in Samaria, and rip open their pregnant women.[/quote]
[/quote]

I’ve read the bible in its entirety several times, and I have a pretty good contextual understanding of 1 Samuel 15:2-3 and Hosea 13:16. These are direct commandments from god to kill children. [/quote]
[/quote]

So in the Samuel passage, you dismiss it because you claim it’s god killing children, rather than telling his followers to do so. By your own admission, god is now a murderer of children.

But in the Hosea passage, you admit that god is actually commanding them to kill children. You rationalize this by saying it’s really ok to kill children because back then, it was necessary to kill every child in order to protect your own tribe, just in case those children grew up and wanted revenge for killing their parents.

Does that mean the mass murder of 800,000 people in Rwanda was really ok, just in case the Tutsi children may grow up and want revenge against the Hutus that killed their parents?

It’s a disgusting, horrific act of savage violence against others, and no amount of rationalization will make it otherwise, just because it happens to be documented in your holy book.[/quote]

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First you claim god never sanctioned infanticide in the bible, then when proven otherwise, you admit god did in fact kill children, but claim he didn’t command people to do so, and then you finally admit he did command people to kill children.

Your only answer to this, and the last bastion of every believer, is the lame excuse that we don’t understand why god does what he does:

“Yes, god sanctioned infanticide repeatedly in the bible, but who are we to question the mind and will of god???”.

This is why I find religion so dangerous. It allows people to rationalize any atrocity, even mass execution of children, in the name of their god. It is exactly the same rationale that devout muslims use to justify suicide bombings, or that the ancient Catholic church used to prosecute the inquisition, or that zealous Calvinists used to burn witches.

Guess what, dude? I don’t believe god killed children, and I don’t believe god commanded people to kill children. If there really is a god, this ain’t it.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

They are heretics as well, I already explained this several dozen times probably, but you are judging things which you’re mind is not high enough to judge. Like someone’s eternal salvation.

But, let’s hope your ignorance saves you.

Actually, you make claims on what I believe, that aren’t close to what I believe and then claim that it’s the fruit of that deadly fraudulent church. When what you state I believe, is not in fact what the Church teaches.

I am sure I am, for right now I’ll stick to being the lowly servant of the poor, going to work at the St. Vincent cafeteria every day.

[quote]I look forward to standing by your side in battle my friend.
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I hope so.

Well besides the fact that the man has no previous history of scandal, I am not sure how comparing him to Lil Tony is appropriate.

If you want to really see what the Pope’s like read his book, Introduction to Christianity (it’s by his name before he became the Pope: Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger).

He was a professor at one time, and that is a collection of his standing room only lecture class notes.

Now, his latest works are some of his magnificent books, and if you want to see what a Catholic knows about Jesus read his two part serious: Jesus of Nazareth and Jesus of Nazareth Holy Week: From the Entrance Into Jerusalem To The Resurrection

To dismiss a man, and this man when he has not guilty is…a little absurd.

Read the books, Tirib. At the least you’ll learn something.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
LOL! It’s a good thing you guys weren’t around for the first constitutional convention LOL! Guys like me were all over the place. Which explains everything we see today.[/quote]

You mean deists and masons? I am not fond of Masons, kind of like mortal enemies.

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
BC I agree yet the understandings we have evolve as we develop a better understanding of the Bible. At least for me personally. Do you agree? [/quote]

No, truth develops, it does not change or evolve.

Yes, many do not get the entirety of the Bible. I suggest you read a document called Dei Verbum.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
LOL! It’s a good thing you guys weren’t around for the first constitutional convention LOL! Guys like me were all over the place. Which explains everything we see today.[/quote]

You mean deists and masons? I am not fond of Masons, kind of like mortal enemies.[/quote]Mortal enemies of who?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
LOL! It’s a good thing you guys weren’t around for the first constitutional convention LOL! Guys like me were all over the place. Which explains everything we see today.[/quote]

You mean deists and masons? I am not fond of Masons, kind of like mortal enemies.[/quote]Mortal enemies of who?
[/quote]

Actually their mortal enemy is the Catholic Church, they will never beat us so they’ll never actually be our enemy, just an annoyance in carrying out G-d’s plan of salvation of the world.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< Actually their mortal enemy is the Catholic Church, they will never beat us so they’ll never actually be our enemy, just an annoyance in carrying out G-d’s plan of salvation of the world >>>[/quote]I confess I don’t know about this. Why would Freemasons, which I am somewhat familiar with, be especially antagonistic to your Church?

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My ignorance shows because I may have used the wrong adjective. My apologies because yours in fact fit perfectly, of course jaa jaa jaa And not to get really nit-picky and technical, yet my understanding of evolve and develop are synonymous. You cannot have develop without evolving. Or vice verse. Just a small portion of our discussion.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
BC I agree yet the understandings we have evolve as we develop a better understanding of the Bible. At least for me personally. Do you agree? [/quote]

No, truth develops, it does not change or evolve. [/quote]

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I do NOT have unbelief about anything related to the Catholic faith. I do have complete faith, I just question things before I go forth spreading an interpretation I think I have. I want to understand the Bible. Not recite the Bible line for line, but understand the CONTEXT. Many others fail in that regard, at least IMHO :o ] [/quote]

I will read this as soon as I return home to my printer ; )

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Yes, many do not get the entirety of the Bible. I suggest you read a document called Dei Verbum.[/quote]

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
LOL! It’s a good thing you guys weren’t around for the first constitutional convention LOL! Guys like me were all over the place. Which explains everything we see today.[/quote]

You mean deists and masons? I am not fond of Masons, kind of like mortal enemies.[/quote]Mortal enemies of who?
[/quote]

Actually their mortal enemy is the Catholic Church, they will never beat us so they’ll never actually be our enemy, just an annoyance in carrying out G-d’s plan of salvation of the world.[/quote]

In all the points that matter to them they already have beaten you.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
LOL! It’s a good thing you guys weren’t around for the first constitutional convention LOL! Guys like me were all over the place. Which explains everything we see today.[/quote]

You mean deists and masons? I am not fond of Masons, kind of like mortal enemies.[/quote]Mortal enemies of who?
[/quote]

Actually their mortal enemy is the Catholic Church, they will never beat us so they’ll never actually be our enemy, just an annoyance in carrying out G-d’s plan of salvation of the world.[/quote]

They are not a mortal enemy in that they don’t seek our destruction. The society is merely incompatible with Catholicism, not the same as mortal enemies. It’t that the requirements to be a Freemason put you in opposition to church teachings. Further, it is our opinion that Freemasonry membership requires a loyalty to itself over and above all things. That being said we live at peace with one another these days. But Catholics who join freemason’s are not to receive communion.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
BC I agree yet the understandings we have evolve as we develop a better understanding of the Bible. At least for me personally. Do you agree? [/quote]

No, truth develops, it does not change or evolve.

Yes, many do not get the entirety of the Bible. I suggest you read a document called Dei Verbum.[/quote]

Truth is discovered, not developed. That which is true, is always true and always has been.