Radicalism and the Church

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Pope Francis urged Europe to open its doors to refugees Wednesday…

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/pope-urges-europe-open-doors-refugees-25892859

In June this year he called on European governments to “help them [illegal immigrants] reach Europe”, calling for a “concerted effort…to encourage governments to facilitate the movement of migrants for the benefit of all”

Also, in February, he praised Sweden for its open border immigration policy and its assimilation of immigrants.

"The Pope was invited onto Vatican Radio, and he said “Sweden opens its borders, organizes language classes, gives economic assistance, and offers paths to join society”

“We have so many refugees, but no one wants them. They are a bad word.”

The Pope said he was full of praise for Sweden who he said has “great saints” and said that it was “nice to find people with such a heart”.

“They do not have anyone in a concentration camp and other such terrifying places. That’s an example we can present to the world. Because in reality it is the only country that is doing that, and is not filled with misery.”

Get that? The US, Canada, Britain etc keep illegal aliens in “concentration camps” and we need to “open [the] borders” and be more like Sweden.

“Open your heart to your brother, your sister, who has nowhere to live, to work, to sleep peacefully,” he said.

Can you believe this fucking guy? The Catholic Church is the largest private landowner on earth and this guy is the monarch of a sovereign city state. How many is he taking in to Vatican City? Why is Vatican City a walled compound with tight security? Are they trying to keep people out who don’t belong there? You know - “border security.”

This is where “church and state” becomes a problem. When the church tries to enforce its radical agenda upon the society. Three main themes emerge from Pope Francis’s statements:

  1. Internationalism/open society

  2. Marxism/Democratic Socialism

  3. Radical egalitarianism

If this^^is the agenda of the church then why are we desperately trying to prop it up?

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Pope Francis has had some things to say about illegal immigration in the US too:

“This humanitarian emergency requires, as a first urgent measure, these children be welcomed and protected.”

Pope Francis decried the “racist and xenophobic attitudes” of Americans.

Of course the Catholic Church gets many of the contracts to house and feed these illegal immigrants.

Between Dec 2010 and Nov 2013, the Catholic Charities Diocese of Galveston received $15,549,078 in federal grants from Health & Human Services for “Unaccompanied Alien Children Project” with a program description of “Refugee and Entry Assistance.”

Last year, the Catholic Charities Diocese of Fort Worth received $350,000 from Department of Homeland Security for “citizenship and education training” with a program description of “citizenship and immigration services.”

Between September 2010 and September 2013, the Catholic Charities of Dallas received $823,658 from the Department of Homeland Security for “Citizenship Education Training” for “refugee and entrant assistance.”

This is just the tip of the iceberg. The Church demands a radical open borders policy and scoops up millions as contractors to facilitate the invasion.

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He sees the local population (whites) are becoming ever more increasingly atheist and doesn’t want his influence to dwindle.

To counteract this, he’s letting loads of religious 3rd worlders in to keep numbers strong.

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Ahem: http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/the_pope_is_a_marxist?id=6013928&pageNo=0

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
He sees the local population (whites) are becoming ever more increasingly atheist and doesn’t want his influence to dwindle.

To counteract this, he’s letting loads of religious 3rd worlders in to keep numbers strong.

[/quote]

Then why open borders for Europe? They’re not taking in Catholics; they’re taking in Muslims. No, there is no rational motive behind it. It’s just a reflection of the radical ideological change in society since the mid 60’s. The traditionalism of the church is giving way to secularism, modernism and popularism of the left:

“Pope Francis is launching a major review of Catholic teaching on the family that could have far-reaching implications for the Churchâ??s attitude to marriage, cohabitation and divorce.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/pope-francis-launches-review-of-marriage-divorce/story-e6frg6so-1227080482839?nk=d4b979dd91a24ad16e31dc976283de8d

“Pope says Catholic Church should not dismiss gay marriage”

It’s one thing after another with these guys.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
He sees the local population (whites) are becoming ever more increasingly atheist and doesn’t want his influence to dwindle.

To counteract this, he’s letting loads of religious 3rd worlders in to keep numbers strong.

[/quote]

Then why open borders for Europe? They’re not taking in Catholics; they’re taking in Muslims. No, there is no rational motive behind it. It’s just a reflection of the radical ideological change in society since the mid 60’s. The traditionalism of the church is giving way to secularism, modernism and popularism of the left:

“Pope Francis is launching a major review of Catholic teaching on the family that could have far-reaching implications for the Churchâ??s attitude to marriage, cohabitation and divorce.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/pope-francis-launches-review-of-marriage-divorce/story-e6frg6so-1227080482839?nk=d4b979dd91a24ad16e31dc976283de8d

“Pope says Catholic Church should not dismiss gay marriage”

It’s one thing after another with these guys.

[/quote]

I don’t follow what’s going in Europe, but with respect to immigration in US, it’s largely Hispanic (Catholics).

Even in Canada the 2nd largest source of immigration is from the Philippines which is 80%+ Catholic… Philippines is also the 3rd most common source of immigration to the US.

Perhaps muslim immigration to EU is simply collateral damage in an effort to increase Catholic numbers in the West?

That’s my guess.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

I don’t follow what’s going in Europe, but with respect to immigration in US, it’s largely Hispanic (Catholics).

[/quote]

I know. But not so in Europe. In Europe the overwhelming majority of immigrants come from North Africa and the Middle East. Pope Francis insists that European states(except Vatican City of course) open their borders and allow unlimited numbers of (non-Catholic) illegal aliens to overwhelm them.

No. As I said, he’s not trying to increase the influence of the church by demographics; he’s trying to appeal to his parishioners who are overwhelmingly liberal for the most part. He’s trying to “modernise” the church.

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Sweden handled the banking crisis well, and by a lot of factors, sounds like a good place to live.

What do you think should be done about the refugee problem?

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[quote]theuofh wrote:
Sweden handled the banking crisis well, and by a lot of factors, sounds like a good place to live.

[/quote]

Are you out of your mind? It’s an absolute nightmare. A high culture and civilisation thousands of years in the making is radically transformed in less than a generation. Swedes now pay one month of their yearly salary just to pay for the immigrants who are “enriching” the country:

[quote]

What do you think should be done about the refugee problem? [/quote]

Should? Should is proscriptive. We’re 30 years too late. So how should Europeans respond? Try to bring right-wing nationalist parties to power who might have some chance of protecting Europeans and deporting/repatriating the locusts.

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He’s from South America. Latin American as a whole is steeped in Liberation Theology.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
He’s from South America. Latin American as a whole is steeped in Liberation Theology.

[/quote]

And now we have come full circle.

The Capitalism/Communism struggle waged in the 60s and 70s in Central/South America has managed to reassert itself through a Pope who lived his formative years in that area and is now supporting the other enemy of the West, the terrorists.

Will we see a return of the gas chambers? This time to be used on the radicalised Muslims.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
He’s from South America. Latin American as a whole is steeped in Liberation Theology.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2014/1008/Pope-Francis-works-to-reconcile-divisions-among-Catholics-in-Latin-America-video[/quote]

Yep. That’s what I said here:

http://www.tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/the_pope_is_a_marxist?id=6013928&pageNo=0

Liberation theology is of course Marxism. It came to the forefront in the church with the rise of the Sandinistas and was quashed by John Paul II.

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[quote]theuofh wrote:

…[The] Pope is now supporting the other enemy of the West, the terrorists.

[/quote]

What?

Huh?

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I’m assuming a connection between the military dictatorships of South America playing a role in the formation of this liberation theology movement.

The US had a shared stake in removing any potentials for Communism gaining a stake in the region as Communism was threat #1 back then, just as terrorism is threat #1 right now, and was involved in that fight.

Modern history tends to be a bit cyclical.

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[quote]theuofh wrote:

Will we see a return of the gas chambers? This time to be used on the radicalised Muslims.
[/quote]

on the contrary…

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[quote]theuofh wrote:
I’m assuming a connection between the military dictatorships of South America playing a role in the formation of this liberation theology movement.

The US had a shared stake in removing any potentials for Communism gaining a stake in the region as Communism was threat #1 back then, just as terrorism is threat #1 right now, and was involved in that fight.

Modern history tends to be a bit cyclical.
[/quote]

Liberation theology movement is connected to the region’s colonial past and American hegemony in the Western hemisphere.

A nuclear exchange with the USSR posed the greatest threat to the US during the Cold War, not the proliferation of communism.

Terrorism does not pose an existential threat to the US and is not the #1 threat to American (or international) security. It is, however, a serious security concern.

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[quote]theuofh wrote:
I’m assuming a connection between the military dictatorships of South America playing a role in the formation of this liberation theology movement.

The US had a shared stake in removing any potentials for Communism gaining a stake in the region as Communism was threat #1 back then, just as terrorism is threat #1 right now, and was involved in that fight.

Modern history tends to be a bit cyclical.
[/quote]

Not sure I understand what you mean. Socialism in South and Central America has been around as long as socialism in Europe. It grew out of the anti-colonialist movements. Actual Marxism came to forefront in the Mexican revolution of 1910. Later Marxist forces were heavily backed by the Soviet Union and by the Castro regime. In accord with the Truman Doctrine the US backed right-wing military juntas in an effort to contain Communism.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:
Sweden handled the banking crisis well, and by a lot of factors, sounds like a good place to live.

[/quote]

Are you out of your mind? It’s an absolute nightmare. A high culture and civilisation thousands of years in the making is radically transformed in less than a generation. Swedes now pay one month of their yearly salary just to pay for the immigrants who are “enriching” the country:

[quote]

What do you think should be done about the refugee problem? [/quote]

Should? Should is proscriptive. We’re 30 years too late. So how should Europeans respond? Try to bring right-wing nationalist parties to power who might have some chance of protecting Europeans and deporting/repatriating the locusts.[/quote]

Are you against the EU? I do not recall if you’ve written anything in that regard.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
He sees the local population (whites) are becoming ever more increasingly atheist and doesn’t want his influence to dwindle.

To counteract this, he’s letting loads of religious 3rd worlders in to keep numbers strong.

[/quote]

Then why open borders for Europe? They’re not taking in Catholics; they’re taking in Muslims. No, there is no rational motive behind it. It’s just a reflection of the radical ideological change in society since the mid 60’s. The traditionalism of the church is giving way to secularism, modernism and popularism of the left:

“Pope Francis is launching a major review of Catholic teaching on the family that could have far-reaching implications for the Churchâ??s attitude to marriage, cohabitation and divorce.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/pope-francis-launches-review-of-marriage-divorce/story-e6frg6so-1227080482839?nk=d4b979dd91a24ad16e31dc976283de8d

“Pope says Catholic Church should not dismiss gay marriage”

It’s one thing after another with these guys.

[/quote]

Catholicism is ironically among the most forward thinking of the Christian denominations. Look no further than its endorsement of evolution.

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[quote]Bismark wrote:

Are you against the EU? I do not recall if you’ve written anything in that regard.[/quote]

Of course.