Can I add something, or rather ASK one thing?
Why should I worry about IF others are going to heaven if I can only change myself? Even my passage into heaven is not considered absolute because I do not even know.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Can I add something, or rather ASK one thing?
Why should I worry about IF others are going to heaven if I can only change myself? Even my passage into heaven is not considered absolute because I do not even know.[/quote]
Because we are our brother’s keeper.
Please help me become better person BC, I agree whole heatedly agree in that regard. Closer to ‘man kinds’ interpretation of G-d’s will. Yet I am open to change. Yet I would still rather lead by example.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Can I add something, or rather ASK one thing?
Why should I worry about IF others are going to heaven if I can only change myself? Even my passage into heaven is not considered absolute because I do not even know.[/quote]
Because we are our brother’s keeper.[/quote]
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Please help me become better person BC, I agree whole heatedly agree in that regard. Closer to ‘man kinds’ interpretation of G-d’s will. Yet I am open to change. Yet I would still rather lead by example.
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What do you mean by 'Closer to “man kinds” interpretation of G-d’s will"?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Any faith that ascibes to man a will free enough to ultimately determine his own life and destiny has a god whose governance of his creation is contingent upon the decisions and providence of men. They are vulnerable to every legitimate attack of unbelievers as they are living in their intellectually autonomous house. [quote]forlife wrote:<<< And why are you using contingency as a differentiating factor in the first place, when by your own admission we don’t know that the rules of logic, from which the contingency requirement is derived, must universally hold under all conditions? [/quote]That is not the contingency I’m referring to. Please see above. I am, and so are you, wholly contingent upon the wholly uncontingent God for all that we do, think and are or He is not God. Name me the religion whose god is not thus contingent UPON man by way of their practical worship of the autonomous free will OF man. (there is actually one that tries hard to also avoid a contingent god, but falls headlong into pagan determinism in the attempt) [/quote]
Why can’t God do whatever God wants to do?
[/quote]Psalm 115:1-3 ESV
[quote]1 Not to us, O Lord, not to us, but to your name give glory,
for the sake of your steadfast love and your faithfulness!
2 Why should the nations say, “Where is their God?” 3 Our God is in the heavens;
[u]he does all that he pleases.[/u]>>>[/quote] I have to get back to work.[/quote]
How does this do anything but strengthen my point?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]TallBaldDave wrote:
he would have made sure it was clear.[/quote]
He did, the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, but Tirib is all about the Bible Alone.[/quote]Martin Luther, was absolutely correct when he told Erasmus in the “exordium” section of his great Spirit led work “The Bondage of the Will” the following: [quote]Now, if I were to demand of you these three things, What is the Manifestation of the Spirit? What are Miracles? What is Sanctification? As far as I have known you from your letters and books, you would appear so great a novice and ignoramus that you would not be able to give three syllables of explanation.[/quote] I would extend this to the spiritually impotent and scripturally illiterate “magisterium” consisting of the fraudulent bishop of Rome and his college of cohorts. Ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth, having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof. I’ll read the bathroom walls in a New York subway for scriptural truth before contaminating my spirit with the stench of Rome.
Chris, I love ya man. I do. I’ve told you you’re like a little brother or a son to me and I’ve never meant anything more in my life. I hope you pour with abandon everything you have and everything you are into that false church of yours. I really sincerely do. Because you have strength of character and commitment runs through your blood, Those are blessed traits, His gifts, and He will use them to break your heart into pieces and turn you to Him in a manner that no other method could accomplish. Mark my words. You are gonna go down in a personal disaster like a tonna bricks. When the dust clears and you look up again, there will be Jesus, in all His magnificent tender simplicity and purity with His hand out to you right when you think you deserve Him the least. In other words, right on time. His perfect time. Right when He’s made you finally ready to know Him for yourself. It may take decades, I don’t know, but I would give anything to be there to share it with you. I would weep tears of joy with you on that day.
You’ll be angry with me over this post. The Lord knows that’s not my intention. Make no mistake my dear Christopher. I am your friend indeed.
Men individually cannot understand the will of God, therefore I do not accept everything taught by the Church as the interpretation to go with, always. Please do not take this as I disagree with the Church. In fact I agree with Her teachings completely. Yet I try to understand the teachings and then the Scripture, or vice verse and then think objectively about the subject. Followed by praying and sometimes meditating. Now this is just lil ol’ me :o ]
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Please help me become better person BC, I agree whole heatedly agree in that regard. Closer to ‘man kinds’ interpretation of G-d’s will. Yet I am open to change. Yet I would still rather lead by example.
[/quote]
What do you mean by 'Closer to “man kinds” interpretation of G-d’s will"?[/quote]
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]TallBaldDave wrote:
he would have made sure it was clear.[/quote]
He did, the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, but Tirib is all about the Bible Alone.[/quote]Martin Luther, was absolutely correct when he told Erasmus in the “exordium” section of his great Spirit led work “The Bondage of the Will” the following: [quote]Now, if I were to demand of you these three things, What is the Manifestation of the Spirit? What are Miracles? What is Sanctification? As far as I have known you from your letters and books, you would appear so great a novice and ignoramus that you would not be able to give three syllables of explanation.[/quote] I would extend this to the spiritually impotent and scripturally illiterate “magisterium” consisting of the fraudulent bishop of Rome and his college of cohorts. Ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth, having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof. I’ll read the bathroom walls in a New York subway for scriptural truth before contaminating my spirit with the stench of Rome.
Chris, I love ya man. I do. I’ve told you you’re like a little brother or a son to me and I’ve never meant anything more in my life. I hope you pour with abandon everything you have and everything you are into that false church of yours. I really sincerely do. Because you have strength of character and commitment runs through your blood, Those are blessed traits, His gifts, and He will use them to break your heart into pieces and turn you to Him in a manner that no other method could accomplish. Mark my words. You are gonna go down in a personal disaster like a tonna bricks. When the dust clears and you look up again, there will be Jesus, in all His magnificent tender simplicity and purity with His hand out to you right when you think you deserve Him the least. In other words, right on time. His perfect time. Right when He’s made you finally ready to know Him for yourself. It may take decades, I don’t know, but I would give anything to be there to share it with you. I would weep tears of joy with you on that day.
You’ll be angry with me over this post. The Lord knows that’s not my intention. Make no mistake my dear Christopher. I am your friend indeed.[/quote]
No, you’re not. You side with the devil, get behind me. The Bread and Wine is the G-d of Hosts.
P.S. I doubt you have read anything by the ‘fraudulent’ Bishop of Rome. And, I didn’t know you were a proud member for the SSPX, very strange for a Calvinist.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Men individually cannot understand the will of God, therefore I do not accept everything taught by the Church as the interpretation to go with, always. Please do not take this as I disagree with the Church. In fact I agree with Her teachings completely. Yet I try to understand the teachings and then the Scripture, or vice verse and then think objectively about the subject. Followed by praying and sometimes meditating. Now this is just lil ol’ me :o ]
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Please help me become better person BC, I agree whole heatedly agree in that regard. Closer to ‘man kinds’ interpretation of G-d’s will. Yet I am open to change. Yet I would still rather lead by example.
[/quote]
What do you mean by 'Closer to “man kinds” interpretation of G-d’s will"?[/quote]
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Well, it is not mankind’s interpretations that the Church teaches, it is the word of G-d that it teaches, we know from 1 Timothy 3:15 that the Church is the Pillar and Bulwark of the Truth. It is guided by the Holy Ghost which cannot deceive, nor be deceived.
There is a difference between doubt and unbelief, the former is not evil and one should eventually resolve those either here or in Heaven, but the latter should be resolved abruptly and with prejudice of the evangelist.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< No, you’re not. You side with the devil, get behind me. The Bread and Wine is the G-d of Hosts. >>>[/quote]I really do believe you will see both of these terrible errors for what they are one day Chris. It doesn’t strike you as odd this poor man that you know pretty well by now is to you an emissary of the devil while polytheistic idolatrous mormons are just nice people doing the best they can? This is the fruit of that deadly fraudulent church of yours Chris. I have no specific word on this, but I really think you were created for greatness in His kingdom Chris. I further believe that His boot camp, which will always be trial by fire, is just beginning for you. It’ll probably last for many years. You have a wide mule headed self destructive streak as well that you may not even be aware of. The longer the trial and the more it hurts the greater His purpose. I look forward to standing by your side in battle my friend.[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< P.S. I doubt you have read anything by the ‘fraudulent’ Bishop of Rome. >>>[/quote]I don’t have to have read anything by Anthony Weiner either to know what he is. [quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< And, I didn’t know you were a proud member for the SSPX, very strange for a Calvinist. [/quote]Very cute Chris. =] If I were rich I might sponsor you myself. Like the father who lets his son go to jail to teach him a lesson. You won’t believe me, but that wasn’t even a jab. I have to get ready for work.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:<< who cackles gleefully at the damnation of his unworthy creations, caring only about his self-glorification. >>>[/quote]To you too. Show just one of my over 11,000 posts here where I said anything like this and I will leave on the spot. You will never have to hear from me again. It’s the devil who stands day and night accusing the brethren. Back up your accusation elder forlife. I dare ya ta try.
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You’ve said that all men desire evil and deserve damnation, and it is solely the will of god that determines who is saved and who is damned.
You’ve said that god receives glory from both evil men and good men, and that all things exist for the purpose of glorifying god.
You’ve said that the only reason Jesus wept over the stubborn refusal of Jerusalem to accept him was because he was an earthly incarnation, and that god does not regret or grieve over the damnation of his creations.
In one particularly memorable post, you even characterized god as taking pleasure in destroying evil men.
Do you deny any of this? Does any of it misconstrue your beliefs about god? I so, I will be pleasantly surprised.
And what is with this promise to leave the forum forever, as if any of us want that? You have every right to be here and you are sincere. Don’t take this the wrong way, but I actually think you do more good than harm by exemplifying the darker side of religion, and the dangers of blind belief.
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< god does not <<<>>> grieve over the damnation of his creations. <<<>>> In one particularly memorable post, you even characterized god as taking pleasure in destroying evil men.
Do you deny any of this? >>>[/quote]I categorically deny those two points. At least as characterized by you here. You either misunderstood or you’re lying. I defy you to find these.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
All I want to know is where does the Bible come from. <— ninth time I have asked this, I might have to start my own thread.[/quote]
I think you know the answer. It is a loose compilation of religious texts, Jewish history, stories, traditions, poetry, and letters. Denominations differ on what they consider canonical among that compilation, and what they consider apocryphal.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]pat wrote: <<>>[/quote]See your priest Pat, (did I really just say that?) Show Him our conversations here. Even he might be able to help you make at least a little progress in your understand of holy writ. You can’t be serious with this. Come on man. Here lemme try the Pat method of scriptural exegesis, exposition and interpretation. Go see 1st Chronicles 1:1-42 for proof positive that Richard Simmons is the antichrist.
[/quote]
Do you really think a priest is going to confirm your heresy? Surely you jest…
Let’s get to the heart of the matter, you condemn people to hell based on your own misinterpretation of scripture. I am not the problem here, you are. You don’t listen, you ignore facts and truth only to put forth your version of events.
You don’t know and you don’t have the right to do this, period. By condemning others, you also condemn yourself…It’s in the Bible.
Do not quote partial posts lest ye be a coward to face the entirety of the post.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< god does not <<<>>> grieve over the damnation of his creations. <<<>>> In one particularly memorable post, you even characterized god as taking pleasure in destroying evil men.
Do you deny any of this? >>>[/quote]I categorically deny those two points. At least as characterized by you here. You either misunderstood or you’re lying. I defy you to find these.
[/quote]
You support TULIP which confirms the accusations. And since others can tell you what they really thing and you over rule them with what you think, returning in kind is accurate here.
“We believe and worship the Lord, one God”
“No you don’t you worship many gods”
“No we don’t we worship the Lord”
“No you don’t you believe in many gods”
Pot meet kettle…
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< No, you’re not. You side with the devil, get behind me. The Bread and Wine is the G-d of Hosts. >>>[/quote]I really do believe you will see both of these terrible errors for what they are one day Chris. It doesn’t strike you as odd this poor man that you know pretty well by now is to you an emissary of the devil while polytheistic idolatrous mormons are just nice people doing the best they can? This is the fruit of that deadly fraudulent church of yours Chris. I have no specific word on this, but I really think you were created for greatness in His kingdom Chris. I further believe that His boot camp, which will always be trial by fire, is just beginning for you. It’ll probably last for many years. You have a wide mule headed self destructive streak as well that you may not even be aware of. The longer the trial and the more it hurts the greater His purpose. I look forward to standing by your side in battle my friend.[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< P.S. I doubt you have read anything by the ‘fraudulent’ Bishop of Rome. >>>[/quote]I don’t have to have read anything by Anthony Weiner either to know what he is. [quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< And, I didn’t know you were a proud member for the SSPX, very strange for a Calvinist. [/quote]Very cute Chris. =] If I were rich I might sponsor you myself. Like the father who lets his son go to jail to teach him a lesson. You won’t believe me, but that wasn’t even a jab. I have to get ready for work.
[/quote]
Jesus > Calvin
Quit perverting the word of God, I find it very offensive.
[quote]Cortes wrote:<<<How does this do anything but strengthen my point? >>>[/quote]What IS your point. I honestly don’t think I’m following.
[quote]pat wrote:
“We believe and worship the Lord, one God”
“No you don’t you worship many gods”
“No we don’t we worship the Lord”
“No you don’t you believe in many gods”
Pot meet kettle…
[/quote]Hear their founder please. [quote] â??I will preach on the plurality of Gods. I have selected this text for that purpose. I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods. [/quote] (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 370)
“OOH OOH OOH, that’s not official doctrine though.” Please. It is a 2nd graders task to demonstrate that mormonism is polytheistic to it’s core. The other guy even said so. I asked him “how many gods are there” and he answered “who knows?”. Good for him, honest man. I know these people Pat.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
“We believe and worship the Lord, one God”
“No you don’t you worship many gods”
“No we don’t we worship the Lord”
“No you don’t you believe in many gods”
Pot meet kettle…
[/quote]Hear their founder please. [quote] â??I will preach on the plurality of Gods. I have selected this text for that purpose. I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods. [/quote] (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 370)
“OOH OOH OOH, that’s not official doctrine though.” Please. It is a 2nd graders task to demonstrate that mormonism is polytheistic to it’s core. The other guy even said so. I asked him “how many gods are there” and he answered “who knows?”. Good for him, honest man. I know these people Pat.[/quote]
You don’t know shit. These ‘people’ have said even if ‘other gods’ exist that they still worship the Lord. But you say you know their faith better than they do. You are full of it.
[quote]BackInAction wrote:
This is a question to all Christians out there (but Muslims or Jewish people are free to respond as well):
How do you know the God you support (the God from the Bible) is this good guy and not the evil guy? See, there is a fundamental issue here: the only source that supports claims that your God is the good one is the Bible. The Bible was written centuries ago by relatively unknown sources.
So how do you know you’re not being duped? What if the devil is actually the good one?
How does one resolve this issue?[/quote]
What part(s) of the Bible, that you have read, support this supposition that God isn’t good?