[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:<<< If it’s that simple, then show me. Quit dancing around and show me where the Bible teaches the trinity.[/quote]I was talking about the singularity of God. There is but ONE only true and living. Not even God could have made anything clearer to us insolent rebellious creatures of His. However, here is today’s 5 minute study. Please friend, please let Him speak to you.
<< Deuteronomy 6:4 >>[quote]Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one![/quote]
<<< John 1:1 and then v.14 >>>[quote]1-In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. <<<>>> 14-And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.[/quote]
<<< Matthew 12:31 >>>[quote]Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.[/quote]Three clearly distinct persons to whom deity is ascribed while the existence one, UNO, one more than zero and one less than two, ONE God is flatly proclaimed as existing at all. Like I say, that is an EXTREMELY abbreviated biblical statement of the triune nature of the Godhead which brings me back ONCE MORE.
See folks, this is what you get with these wonderful people. Please, will you share with me a lowly man? Please? Pretty Please with sugar on top? HOW MANY GODS ARE IN THE GODHEAD? That’s not yelling. That’s emphasis. I am asking you a simple question the honest answer to which, if we ever get one, will demonstrate clearly that while you are probably a great guy, faithful family man and fine American as the serious Mormons I’ve met always are, the god and jesus you are talking about have nothing to do with good news of salvation as understood by the Christian church universal from the 12th of Genesis on and especially since the first century. Please, I’m groveling here.[/quote]
I have already answered your question before. The Godhead consists of Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Each is a separate divine being. They are one in purpose in that each works to accomplish the will of the Father. In the LDS Church, when we say “God”, it almost always refers to Heavenly Father. When we speak of Christ we refer to him as Jesus Christ, the Son, Savior, Redeemer, Lord, etc. When we speak of the Holy Ghost we use that term or the Holy Spirit, the Spirit, etc.
The scriptures you quoted do absolutely nothing to prove the trinity. Explain to me John 17:20-21.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
He prayed for the saints to be one just as He and the Father are one. Obviously it’s impossible for all of the saints to physically be one being. But they can be of one heart and mind; or in other words, one in purpose.
Explain Matthew 27:46
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
If they are the same person, how could God forsake Himself or withdraw from Himself?[/quote]
Since we all know Tirib admits to 3 divine PERSONS, I think SS meant to say:
If they are the same BEING, how could God forsake Himself or withdraw from Himself?
(an easy mistake to make since most people think of PERSON and BEING as synonyms)
But anyway:
Tiribulus - Admit it, there are points in scripture on both sides of this argument. I.e. it is open to interpretation. If God had felt that it important enough to clarify - he would have made sure it was clear. It isn’t clear because there is no statement on the triune nature of the Godhead in the Bible. You are piecing together bits of scripture that aren’t in the same context, and calling it proof. If this bit of doctrine was so important, that misunderstanding it would damn those who are sincerely trying to follow Jesus - then He would have made it clear. He didn’t, so it must not matter that much. Maybe he meant us to concentrate on what he actually told us to do: Love God, Love your neighbour, Be humble, Forgive, Repent, Preach Repentance, follow the commandments, etc.
Nowhere in the list is there an admonition to overanalyze the scriptures and put things together to come up with stuff it doesn’t actually say.