The Christian God: How do you know he's the good guy?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You’re gonna be heartbroken Chris when you find out that it’s your arrogant church that has the private interpretations. Oh wait, you already said “I will always take the side of the Church of man’s private interpretation.” Looky there, the Spirit is working on you in spite that exalted free will of yours. I hope you don’t always take that side though Chris. I am at the Lord’s feet on your behalf and no matter what else is goin on in your life, you can count on that. I’m on God’s side before I’m even on your side… [/quote]

“I know god’s will, and your beliefs are just a private interpretation!!!”

“You’re misled by the Devil; I know god’s will, and it’s your beliefs that are a private interpretation!!!”

“I know the real god; yours is an idol!!!”

“No, no, no…mine is the real god and yours is the idol!!!”

“I’m saved, and you’re damned to suffer forever!!!”

“Repent now sinner, and believe in the true god, or it’s you that will burn forever!!!”

Blind men pointing at other blind men, insisting that only they can see.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You’re gonna be heartbroken Chris when you find out that it’s your arrogant church that has the private interpretations. Oh wait, you already said “I will always take the side of the Church of man’s private interpretation.” Looky there, the Spirit is working on you in spite that exalted free will of yours. I hope you don’t always take that side though Chris. I am at the Lord’s feet on your behalf and no matter what else is goin on in your life, you can count on that. I’m on God’s side before I’m even on your side… [/quote]

It was a spelling mistake and I corrected it before you posted, even left a note that I did.

It would seem that the Catholic Church is arrogant because we have firm belief (and it is in fact a truth) that we have a monopoly on truth when it comes faith and morals. That is why people detest the Church, from ethical relativist to your average christian 16 year old girl that wouldn’t know the difference between the statements ‘Jesus human nature died on the cross’ and ‘G-d died when Jesus was crucified.’

I have dealt with both, and even though it is a lame duck when it comes to a litmus test by itself, it is nevertheless a litmus test that when basically the whole world hates you, that your obviously doing something right. That’s why R. Kelly spoke my motto, “Haters gonna hate,” he spoke more of a truth than he knew.

The miracles, and the martyrs, and the deepness, and the creeds, and the wholeness of the Catholic Church speaks too much to ignore. Either it’s all a shame or the Catholic Church is the faith, and the true faith at that without a doubt.

I do not say this to be triumphant, because without the grace of G-d, I would have done none of what I have done in my life. I can see the hand of G-d directing me towards him, I can see that when I fell into sin his crucible to push me to purity. To end up here and to continue to be driven deeper into the Catholic faith, that speaks volumes, because if anyone could prove one doctrine of the Catholic faith wrong…they would have no doubt that I would leave the Catholic Church at once and go worship at their church.

That is a life long vow that I have taken, given to anyone, at any time. All it takes is one doctrine, even the most simplest and most undeveloped doctrine of the Catholic Church. One doctrine wrong of the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church is a shame, the Bride that I hold dear will never see my eyes lay on her again.

I have no doubt that my entire life will never see that day, I could go on a crusade and visit every heretic, schismatic, atheist, intellectual, and peasant and never find a single person to prove a single doctrine wrong. [/quote]

The human capacity for confirmatory bias is boundless. You can see this easily in other faiths, for example the Mormon capacity to rationalize the Book of Abraham being proven a fraud when the Rosetta Stone was discovered and we learned how to translate Egyptian. But by its very nature, you are blind to the influence of confirmatory bias on your own beliefs.

No doubt, you believe that you are 100% objective, and that not a single Catholic doctrine has been proven wrong. So do Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Calvanists. They’re equally convinced that they are objective, and you are the one being misled.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:<<< If it’s that simple, then show me. Quit dancing around and show me where the Bible teaches the trinity.[/quote]I was talking about the singularity of God. There is but ONE only true and living. Not even God could have made anything clearer to us insolent rebellious creatures of His. However, here is today’s 5 minute study. Please friend, please let Him speak to you.
<< Deuteronomy 6:4 >>[quote]Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one![/quote]
<<< John 1:1 and then v.14 >>>[quote]1-In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. <<<>>> 14-And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.[/quote]
<<< Matthew 12:31 >>>[quote]Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.[/quote]Three clearly distinct persons to whom deity is ascribed while the existence one, UNO, one more than zero and one less than two, ONE God is flatly proclaimed as existing at all. Like I say, that is an EXTREMELY abbreviated biblical statement of the triune nature of the Godhead which brings me back ONCE MORE.

See folks, this is what you get with these wonderful people. Please, will you share with me a lowly man? Please? Pretty Please with sugar on top? HOW MANY GODS ARE IN THE GODHEAD? That’s not yelling. That’s emphasis. I am asking you a simple question the honest answer to which, if we ever get one, will demonstrate clearly that while you are probably a great guy, faithful family man and fine American as the serious Mormons I’ve met always are, the god and jesus you are talking about have nothing to do with good news of salvation as understood by the Christian church universal from the 12th of Genesis on and especially since the first century. Please, I’m groveling here.[/quote]

I have already answered your question before. The Godhead consists of Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Each is a separate divine being. They are one in purpose in that each works to accomplish the will of the Father. In the LDS Church, when we say “God”, it almost always refers to Heavenly Father. When we speak of Christ we refer to him as Jesus Christ, the Son, Savior, Redeemer, Lord, etc. When we speak of the Holy Ghost we use that term or the Holy Spirit, the Spirit, etc.

The scriptures you quoted do absolutely nothing to prove the trinity. Explain to me John 17:20-21.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

He prayed for the saints to be one just as He and the Father are one. Obviously it’s impossible for all of the saints to physically be one being. But they can be of one heart and mind; or in other words, one in purpose.

Explain Matthew 27:46

46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

If they are the same person, how could God forsake Himself or withdraw from Himself?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I prefer us not being at each others throats Pat, but if it walks and talks like a unitarian…

There are no passages in God’s word mentioning Mormons, but it is everywhere proclaimed that those with the wrong god or gods remain under His wrath until they forsake their idols and serve the one true and living God. That is so clear and pervasive in the Christian scriptures that I can only challenge you again to just randomly open them somewhere and there is a high likelihood of finding this unbending divine jealously. [/quote]

“There are no passages in God’s word mentioning Mormons” ← end it there. You are not God, you don’t know what God thinks, and you don’t know who is and isn’t welcome into his kingdom, PERIOD. You make these bold proclamation like your some kind of prophet, you are false prophet in that case…You don’t want to be at each other’s throats, quit acting like you know God’s mind. Your arrogance is folly.

If it talks like Westboro and walks like Westboro…
Are you sure your last name isn’t Phelps?

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I prefer us not being at each others throats Pat, but if it walks and talks like a unitarian…

There are no passages in God’s word mentioning Mormons, but it is everywhere proclaimed that those with the wrong god or gods remain under His wrath until they forsake their idols and serve the one true and living God. That is so clear and pervasive in the Christian scriptures that I can only challenge you again to just randomly open them somewhere and there is a high likelihood of finding this unbending divine jealously. [/quote]

I tell you that I worship Jesus Christ as the Savior of all mankind through His infinite, atoning sacrifice. You tell me I worship the wrong Jesus. Who is this other Jesus you are talking about?

I worship the Jesus Christ who is the Only Begotten, born on earth to the Virgin Mary. He lived a perfect life. He cast out devils, worked miracles, and laid down His life to redeem all mankind in accordance with the will of the Father. I worship the Jesus who was resurrected and lives today, and whose light extends to all the earth informing man’s conscience.

So who is this other Jesus? As far as I know there has been only one who matches the above description.[/quote]

Apparently, tirib has been deified beyond normal humans. He knows your faith better than you do. He’s checked the books for heaven and you ain’t on it.
I am losing respect for tirib by the minute. What a pitiful sad human being he must be.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You’re gonna be heartbroken Chris when you find out that it’s your arrogant church that has the private interpretations. Oh wait, you already said “I will always take the side of the Church of man’s private interpretation.” Looky there, the Spirit is working on you in spite that exalted free will of yours. I hope you don’t always take that side though Chris. I am at the Lord’s feet on your behalf and no matter what else is goin on in your life, you can count on that. I’m on God’s side before I’m even on your side… [/quote]

“I know god’s will, and your beliefs are just a private interpretation!!!”

“You’re misled by the Devil; I know god’s will, and it’s your beliefs that are a private interpretation!!!”

“I know the real god; yours is an idol!!!”

“No, no, no…mine is the real god and yours is the idol!!!”

“I’m saved, and you’re damned to suffer forever!!!”

“Repent now sinner, and believe in the true god, or it’s you that will burn forever!!!”

Blind men pointing at other blind men, insisting that only they can see.

[/quote]

That pretty much sums it up.

Tirib is holy and every body should aspire to be like him… Judgmental and condemning.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

How is the Catholic god contingent?

How are the gods of all the other faiths, Christian or otherwise, contingent?

And why are you using contingency as a differentiating factor in the first place, when by your own admission we don’t know that the rules of logic, from which the contingency requirement is derived, must universally hold under all conditions?

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[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You’re gonna be heartbroken Chris when you find out that it’s your arrogant church that has the private interpretations. Oh wait, you already said “I will always take the side of the Church of man’s private interpretation.” Looky there, the Spirit is working on you in spite that exalted free will of yours. I hope you don’t always take that side though Chris. I am at the Lord’s feet on your behalf and no matter what else is goin on in your life, you can count on that. I’m on God’s side before I’m even on your side… [/quote]

It was a spelling mistake and I corrected it before you posted, even left a note that I did.

It would seem that the Catholic Church is arrogant because we have firm belief (and it is in fact a truth) that we have a monopoly on truth when it comes faith and morals. That is why people detest the Church, from ethical relativist to your average christian 16 year old girl that wouldn’t know the difference between the statements ‘Jesus human nature died on the cross’ and ‘G-d died when Jesus was crucified.’

I have dealt with both, and even though it is a lame duck when it comes to a litmus test by itself, it is nevertheless a litmus test that when basically the whole world hates you, that your obviously doing something right. That’s why R. Kelly spoke my motto, “Haters gonna hate,” he spoke more of a truth than he knew.

The miracles, and the martyrs, and the deepness, and the creeds, and the wholeness of the Catholic Church speaks too much to ignore. Either it’s all a shame or the Catholic Church is the faith, and the true faith at that without a doubt.

I do not say this to be triumphant, because without the grace of G-d, I would have done none of what I have done in my life. I can see the hand of G-d directing me towards him, I can see that when I fell into sin his crucible to push me to purity. To end up here and to continue to be driven deeper into the Catholic faith, that speaks volumes, because if anyone could prove one doctrine of the Catholic faith wrong…they would have no doubt that I would leave the Catholic Church at once and go worship at their church.

That is a life long vow that I have taken, given to anyone, at any time. All it takes is one doctrine, even the most simplest and most undeveloped doctrine of the Catholic Church. One doctrine wrong of the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church is a shame, the Bride that I hold dear will never see my eyes lay on her again.

I have no doubt that my entire life will never see that day, I could go on a crusade and visit every heretic, schismatic, atheist, intellectual, and peasant and never find a single person to prove a single doctrine wrong. [/quote]

The human capacity for confirmatory bias is boundless. You can see this easily in other faiths, for example the Mormon capacity to rationalize the Book of Abraham being proven a fraud when the Rosetta Stone was discovered and we learned how to translate Egyptian. But by its very nature, you are blind to the influence of confirmatory bias on your own beliefs.

No doubt, you believe that you are 100% objective, and that not a single Catholic doctrine has been proven wrong. So do Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Calvanists. They’re equally convinced that they are objective, and you are the one being misled.[/quote]

The Book of Abraham has never been proven to be a fraud, though the critics sure believe that to be the case.

I know you won’t read these links and will simply explain them away as LDS apologist attempts to save face, but here they are anyway:

http://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/disproved.htm

http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/Long_article

http://www.boap.org/LDS/BOAP/SecondEd/Draft-copy/AppendixV-JS-Commentary-on-BOA.pdf

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I prefer us not being at each others throats Pat, but if it walks and talks like a unitarian…

There are no passages in God’s word mentioning Mormons, but it is everywhere proclaimed that those with the wrong god or gods remain under His wrath until they forsake their idols and serve the one true and living God. That is so clear and pervasive in the Christian scriptures that I can only challenge you again to just randomly open them somewhere and there is a high likelihood of finding this unbending divine jealously. [/quote]

I tell you that I worship Jesus Christ as the Savior of all mankind through His infinite, atoning sacrifice. You tell me I worship the wrong Jesus. Who is this other Jesus you are talking about?

I worship the Jesus Christ who is the Only Begotten, born on earth to the Virgin Mary. He lived a perfect life. He cast out devils, worked miracles, and laid down His life to redeem all mankind in accordance with the will of the Father. I worship the Jesus who was resurrected and lives today, and whose light extends to all the earth informing man’s conscience.

So who is this other Jesus? As far as I know there has been only one who matches the above description.[/quote]

Apparently, tirib has been deified beyond normal humans. He knows your faith better than you do. He’s checked the books for heaven and you ain’t on it.
I am losing respect for tirib by the minute. What a pitiful sad human being he must be.[/quote]

Thanks Pat. I understand that others do not believe LDS doctrine, but I take serious issue with anyone who disputes my faith in Jesus Christ as my Savior.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You’re gonna be heartbroken Chris when you find out that it’s your arrogant church that has the private interpretations. Oh wait, you already said “I will always take the side of the Church of man’s private interpretation.” Looky there, the Spirit is working on you in spite that exalted free will of yours. I hope you don’t always take that side though Chris. I am at the Lord’s feet on your behalf and no matter what else is goin on in your life, you can count on that. I’m on God’s side before I’m even on your side… [/quote]

It was a spelling mistake and I corrected it before you posted, even left a note that I did.

It would seem that the Catholic Church is arrogant because we have firm belief (and it is in fact a truth) that we have a monopoly on truth when it comes faith and morals. That is why people detest the Church, from ethical relativist to your average christian 16 year old girl that wouldn’t know the difference between the statements ‘Jesus human nature died on the cross’ and ‘G-d died when Jesus was crucified.’

I have dealt with both, and even though it is a lame duck when it comes to a litmus test by itself, it is nevertheless a litmus test that when basically the whole world hates you, that your obviously doing something right. That’s why R. Kelly spoke my motto, “Haters gonna hate,” he spoke more of a truth than he knew.

The miracles, and the martyrs, and the deepness, and the creeds, and the wholeness of the Catholic Church speaks too much to ignore. Either it’s all a shame or the Catholic Church is the faith, and the true faith at that without a doubt.

I do not say this to be triumphant, because without the grace of G-d, I would have done none of what I have done in my life. I can see the hand of G-d directing me towards him, I can see that when I fell into sin his crucible to push me to purity. To end up here and to continue to be driven deeper into the Catholic faith, that speaks volumes, because if anyone could prove one doctrine of the Catholic faith wrong…they would have no doubt that I would leave the Catholic Church at once and go worship at their church.

That is a life long vow that I have taken, given to anyone, at any time. All it takes is one doctrine, even the most simplest and most undeveloped doctrine of the Catholic Church. One doctrine wrong of the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church is a shame, the Bride that I hold dear will never see my eyes lay on her again.

I have no doubt that my entire life will never see that day, I could go on a crusade and visit every heretic, schismatic, atheist, intellectual, and peasant and never find a single person to prove a single doctrine wrong. [/quote]

The human capacity for confirmatory bias is boundless. You can see this easily in other faiths, for example the Mormon capacity to rationalize the Book of Abraham being proven a fraud when the Rosetta Stone was discovered and we learned how to translate Egyptian. But by its very nature, you are blind to the influence of confirmatory bias on your own beliefs.

No doubt, you believe that you are 100% objective, and that not a single Catholic doctrine has been proven wrong. So do Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Calvanists. They’re equally convinced that they are objective, and you are the one being misled.[/quote]

The Book of Abraham has never been proven to be a fraud, though the critics sure believe that to be the case.

I know you won’t read these links and will simply explain them away as LDS apologist attempts to save face, but here they are anyway:

http://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/disproved.htm

http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/Long_article

http://www.boap.org/LDS/BOAP/SecondEd/Draft-copy/AppendixV-JS-Commentary-on-BOA.pdf[/quote]

Thanks for proving my point about confirmatory bias allowing people to believe literally anything :wink:

I disagree though; after looking at evidence for and against the authenticity of the Book of Abraham, it was obvious to me that it is fraudulent. None of the links you provided mention the blatant plagiarism of the Small Sensen text into Facsimile No. 2, by the way, and in fact I have never found an apologist able to answer this.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:<<< I have already answered your question before. The Godhead consists of Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Each is a separate divine being. >>>[/quote]So 3 Gods then? I would actually respect you more if you just broke and stopped this charade and said you belive in many gods. Elders Havens and Melville had no problem with this. [quote]pat wrote:<<< you don’t know what God thinks, and you don’t know who is and isn’t welcome into his kingdom, PERIOD. >>>[/quote]Anybody who takes the bible seriously and let’s it speak for itself knows both of those things Pat. The Bible IS what God thinks and He does not leave us in the dark about those who live and those who die. That’s like the whole point man.[quote]pat wrote:<<< If it talks like Westboro and walks like Westboro…
Are you sure your last name isn’t Phelps? >>>[/quote]Come on. You need some new material. This never did fly anyway. [quote]forlife wrote:<<< How are the gods of all the other faiths, Christian or otherwise, contingent? >>>[/quote]Any faith that ascibes to man a will free enough to ultimately determine his own life and destiny has a god whose governance of his creation is contingent upon the decisions and providence of men. They are vulnerable to every legitimate attack of unbelievers as they are living in their intellectually autonomous house. [quote]forlife wrote:<<< And why are you using contingency as a differentiating factor in the first place, when by your own admission we don’t know that the rules of logic, from which the contingency requirement is derived, must universally hold under all conditions? [/quote]That is not the contingency I’m referring to. Please see above. I am, and so are you, wholly contingent upon the wholly uncontingent God for all that we do, think and are or He is not God. Name me the religion whose god is not thus contingent UPON man by way of their practical worship of the autonomous free will OF man. (there is actually one that tries hard to also avoid a contingent god, but falls headlong into pagan determinism in the attempt)

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Any faith that ascibes to man a will free enough to ultimately determine his own life and destiny has a god whose governance of his creation is contingent upon the decisions and providence of men. They are vulnerable to every legitimate attack of unbelievers as they are living in their intellectually autonomous house. [quote]forlife wrote:<<< And why are you using contingency as a differentiating factor in the first place, when by your own admission we don’t know that the rules of logic, from which the contingency requirement is derived, must universally hold under all conditions? [/quote]That is not the contingency I’m referring to. Please see above. I am, and so are you, wholly contingent upon the wholly uncontingent God for all that we do, think and are or He is not God. Name me the religion whose god is not thus contingent UPON man by way of their practical worship of the autonomous free will OF man. (there is actually one that tries hard to also avoid a contingent god, but falls headlong into pagan determinism in the attempt) [/quote]

Why can’t God do whatever God wants to do?

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Man I knew I should have just kept to lurking. This place is like quicksand. You set one foot in and SCHLOOP!, in you’re sucked.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Any faith that ascibes to man a will free enough to ultimately determine his own life and destiny has a god whose governance of his creation is contingent upon the decisions and providence of men. They are vulnerable to every legitimate attack of unbelievers as they are living in their intellectually autonomous house. [quote]forlife wrote:<<< And why are you using contingency as a differentiating factor in the first place, when by your own admission we don’t know that the rules of logic, from which the contingency requirement is derived, must universally hold under all conditions? [/quote]That is not the contingency I’m referring to. Please see above. I am, and so are you, wholly contingent upon the wholly uncontingent God for all that we do, think and are or He is not God. Name me the religion whose god is not thus contingent UPON man by way of their practical worship of the autonomous free will OF man. (there is actually one that tries hard to also avoid a contingent god, but falls headlong into pagan determinism in the attempt) [/quote]

Why can’t God do whatever God wants to do?
[/quote]Psalm 115:1-3 ESV

[quote]1 Not to us, O Lord, not to us, but to your name give glory,
for the sake of your steadfast love and your faithfulness!
2 Why should the nations say, “Where is their God?” 3 Our God is in the heavens;
he does all that he pleases.>>>[/quote] I have to get back to work.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
:<<< you don’t know what God thinks, and you don’t know who is and isn’t welcome into his kingdom, PERIOD. >>>Anybody who takes the bible seriously and let’s it speak for itself knows both of those things Pat. The Bible IS what God thinks and He does not leave us in the dark about those who live and those who die. That’s like the whole point man.
[/quote]

Well then your read comprehention sucks. You’re interpretation is folly, and you are mistaken. Mormons are not by default condemned to hell. They don’t believe what you say they believe. The only person not being honest is yourself. You don’t know anybody is going to hell and you have no right to judge or make that decision. I read the scriptures and I take them deadly serious and it does not say what you want it to, sorry it does not. Since you are incapable of producing the exact phrase that condemns them you must admit you are in error.
What I do not do with the scriptures is try to bend them to my will, unlike yourself.

Bottom line you are wrong here, and you are violating the commands in the scriptures all at the same time. It makes me wonder if you know God at all??

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Any faith that ascibes to man a will free enough to ultimately determine his own life and destiny has a god whose governance of his creation is contingent upon the decisions and providence of men. They are vulnerable to every legitimate attack of unbelievers as they are living in their intellectually autonomous house. [quote]forlife wrote:<<< And why are you using contingency as a differentiating factor in the first place, when by your own admission we don’t know that the rules of logic, from which the contingency requirement is derived, must universally hold under all conditions? [/quote]That is not the contingency I’m referring to. Please see above. I am, and so are you, wholly contingent upon the wholly uncontingent God for all that we do, think and are or He is not God. Name me the religion whose god is not thus contingent UPON man by way of their practical worship of the autonomous free will OF man. (there is actually one that tries hard to also avoid a contingent god, but falls headlong into pagan determinism in the attempt) [/quote]

Why can’t God do whatever God wants to do?
[/quote]

Because he apparently has to ask tirib for permission first.

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Tiribulus, where is your proof that a god cannot create people that are free to choose, yet do not violate his noncontingency? Many believe that such a god actually does exist. You cannot prove that you are right, and they are wrong.

You weasel out of other apparent contradictions, like the idea that men have free will, yet that somehow mysteriously god chooses whom to save and whom to damn, by saying you simply don’t understand the mind of god. His ways are higher than our ways, and his thoughts than our thoughts. They could say the same about your claims.

I’m still waiting for a single compelling argument, anything at all, that differentiates your god from other gods. Believers can, and do, use everything you’ve pulled out of your crusader toolbox to defend their own faith. Your beliefs may differ, but your feeble attempts to prove those beliefs are the same.

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[quote]pat wrote:<<< It makes me wonder if you know God at all??[/quote]Where in the scriptures does it say that Greg in Detroit AKA Tiribulus might not know God?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:<<< It makes me wonder if you know God at all??[/quote]Where in the scriptures does it say that Greg in Detroit AKA Tiribulus might not know God?
[/quote]

I didn’t make claims about scripture. I am basing this on your judgement, condemnations, and your poor treatments of your fellow man. You are sowing seed of hatred and malcontent, and it is not your place to do so.

I stand united with my Mormon brethren not in terms of agreement, but as people who know and love Christ. Christ does not refuse those who love him.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I prefer us not being at each others throats Pat, but if it walks and talks like a unitarian…

There are no passages in God’s word mentioning Mormons, but it is everywhere proclaimed that those with the wrong god or gods remain under His wrath until they forsake their idols and serve the one true and living God. That is so clear and pervasive in the Christian scriptures that I can only challenge you again to just randomly open them somewhere and there is a high likelihood of finding this unbending divine jealously. [/quote]

I tell you that I worship Jesus Christ as the Savior of all mankind through His infinite, atoning sacrifice. You tell me I worship the wrong Jesus. Who is this other Jesus you are talking about?

I worship the Jesus Christ who is the Only Begotten, born on earth to the Virgin Mary. He lived a perfect life. He cast out devils, worked miracles, and laid down His life to redeem all mankind in accordance with the will of the Father. I worship the Jesus who was resurrected and lives today, and whose light extends to all the earth informing man’s conscience.

So who is this other Jesus? As far as I know there has been only one who matches the above description.[/quote]

Apparently, tirib has been deified beyond normal humans. He knows your faith better than you do. He’s checked the books for heaven and you ain’t on it.
I am losing respect for tirib by the minute. What a pitiful sad human being he must be.[/quote]

Thanks Pat. I understand that others do not believe LDS doctrine, but I take serious issue with anyone who disputes my faith in Jesus Christ as my Savior.[/quote]

And that’s my problem SS. I don’t agree with the tenets of the LDS, but that doesn’t matter in the end. This isn’t a members only club for those who followed the ‘rules’. There are two types of people, those who love Christ and those who do not. It is the love for our God that transcends all religions or rules. It pisses me off when people who claim to know God, hand down blanket condemnations on other people as if they know your heart as well as God does.
It’s arrogant, ignorant, and I will not put up with it. It’s a fools paradise.