One last chance to defeat the despicable Judophobes in Labour.
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So the people of the UK have just given a massive middle finger to the political class who said nobody actually wanted to leave the EU and if people thought it might happen they would have never voted for Brexit. Well, wrong. A staggering majority just said fuck off to even putting it back up for a vote.
Thoughts?
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I perceive it more as a “fuck you” to alleged communism and financial irresponsibility than anything. Just my thoughts though.
I don’t think, if the referendum was to be rerun, the result would be drastically different. I certainly don’t see a landslide either way in a second Brexit referendum.
It’s difficult to predict what would happen in a second referendum (which thankfully, we won’t get now).
I do believe a lot of “Remainers” would change their vote to Leave purely out of principle.
Would more “Leavers” change their vote to Remain knowing what they know now? Probably not IMO.
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Its been a shit election really. All the stuff that benefits the population seems to have been ignored in favour of a single issue, Brexit and Brexit means stopping immigration to a lot of people. To hear working class people saying they are going to vote conservative because they don’t want immigrants coming in has blown my mind. What about the NHS, education, the pension grab off the elderly, fucking austerity. Now we have to put up with that dickhead acting the twat for the next few years. Don’t get me wrong, Corbyn doesn’t inspire confidence either. One thing that made me laugh this morning was hearing that the Lib Dem leader lost her seat. She is one irritating woman.
Me too, big time.
The only thing I don’t understand is, most people want no or a soft Brexit. So why vote conservative. What we WILL get now is a sure fire hard brexit.
I really don’t understand voters. Give it a month, and the same people who voted conservative yesterday, will be the same people blaming conservatives next month the shit storm they are about to throw the uk into.
I mean, who gives a fuck if Corbyn isn’t the face of a leader. I would still rather vote labour than fucking hard Brexit conservatives.
The “political class” as you’ve called it won the election. I’m pretty sure people wearing top hats are “the establishment”
Comrade Corbyn and his Stalinist advisers were Leavers as well - you cannot build a communist utopia inside the EU. But as true believers are already ranting on twitter “better a socialist defeat that a victory with centrists”
Interesting development in Scotland with the SNP winning on an anti-Brexit platform. A second referendum in the works?
Believe me, @alphonsus12…
In the States…many of us feel your pain…
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Believe me, @weightliftingwithoutlimits…
In the States…many of us feel your pain.
This BS didn’t take long. Cue the “Boris Johnson is a Russian stooge” stories. Reminds me of when an informant would accuse a fellow criminal of being an informant to take the heat away from themselves.
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Approximately 50% every election.
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I disagree with this. My observation is that very few people have changed their mind since 2016, certainly not enough to give a big majority either way.
Also disagree with this. I’d be amazed if we don’t get the agreement Boris reached pushed through parliament, honestly.
I’m working closely on a project for a company that has a lot of English (in which word I am lumping the entire UK – there are proper English, a couple of Scots and Welsh and one lady from whatever part of Ireland votes). Oh, and one English guy who is of Indian extraction but firmly a Church of England guy and would vote for Trump. They ALL went to a lot of trouble to vote.
Anyway, can’t say I follow the whole thing, but the main arguments I heard were:
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Germany and France hate/envy the UK and they will do anything they can to fuck them over. The EU was turning into a fuck-the-Brits group. This was a near-universal sentiment, even for the originally anti-Brexit people.
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Corbyn is a complete douche and (they dance around this a bit because my wife is Jewish), but he is over-the-top with Jew hatred. This was a big deal to the older guys.
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Socialism sucks.
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The Super-English (like he is more properly English than the Queen) Indian guy hates Muslims.
Didn’t hear much about immigrants, otherwise.
This is part of the persecution myth (Fourth Reich and all that) on which Brexit was founded. When asked to provide evidence for said persecution, they’re conspicuously short on details. Oh well, their tantrums are not the EU’s problem anymore.
Correct on both counts.
A Hindu hating on Muslims? I’m shocked! Shocked!
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First, the guy was “Church of England”, which apparently is the same thing as Episcopal or Anglican. No clue what the ancestral religion was.
Second, I drilled down on the unfairness, and there were elaborate answers that I did not quite get the handle on, but (and keep in mind these guys work for a giant French oilfield company ironically headquartered in Houston, TX, so things were pretty industrial specific):
- Something about the rules killing manufacturing in England, but helping Germany
- a trade deal with China that screwed England, but helped Germany and France
- a tax structure that protected how the Europeans did retirement, but screwed the English, especially ex-pats in France
- lots about labeling goods in stupid manner, along much scoffing about how bad French tea was and how it should not be labeled tea, but something else
- immigration rules for cheap labor to help Germany and France but which sent the unemployables to the low countries and England
- long bits about soccer (and this was financial, like how players were taxed when elsewhere. Also a playoff schedule that screwed England)
That’s all I can recall. I am forgetting a lot.
But the point is, these are logical people, engineers and finance/accounting. They had what they think are legitimate beefs. It’s not simply “Fourth Reich” stuff.
I think it boils down to pocketbook issues and wanting to have the right to chose their own course, for good or bad.
This is the only argument for Brexit I’ve ever heard that actually holds some water. I’ve sincerely questioned many Leavers on their reasoning, including my own parents and the only argument I’ve heard that stands up to any scrutiny in self determination. It must be said, it often falls down when you start asking what, specifically, the EU was stopping Britain from deciding, but at least it’s a logical, sensible reason.
Not during the lifetime of this parliament. The Picts can howl all they want, Boris has no reason to budge with a majority of that size, other than the glorious benefit of having Ian Blackford not be present in Westminster after the Scots leave.
Exit polling and anecdotal evidence suggests that Corbyn being a reviled figure was the largest reason. Brexit was the number 2 reason.
Who’d have thought that an Islington communist wouldn’t appeal to Northern English voters?
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She does, however, have a thumping pair of breasts.