The Brexit Effect

[dagill2]

You’d think that after Brown, Milliband and the last 2 goes with Corbyn, Labour would have learned its lesson. I fully expect Diane Abbott or the reanimated ghost of Jimmy Savilleor to be the leader next time around.

[Legalsteel]

@dagill2

I fully expect Diane Abbott or the reanimated ghost of Jimmy Savilleor to be the leader next time around.

Word on the street is that Lammy and Richard Burgon have thrown their hat into the ring. If either of them win, we may as well call 2024 for Boris now.

[dagill2]

I think the odds of Boris making it to 2024 without saying or doing something stupid enough to lose his position are remote I think.

[Mufasa]

@dagill2, @Legalsteel and others:

As I have stated before…I simply don’t have a good “feel” for what “Conservative” or “Liberal” or “Labour” etc. mean in the UK , like I do with similar terms in the States.

I’m working in it.

With that said…besides them both having similar hairdos…are there similarities in the personalities and followings of Johnson and Trump?

Your statement above @dagill2 could just as easily have read: " I think that the odds of Trump making it to 2024 without doing or saying something stupid are remote".

(I am on record as saying that I feel Trump will mislead, misdirect, weasel and lie himself into a second Term…MAGA…)

[dagill2]

@Mufasa

Your statement above @dagill2 could just as easily have read: " I think that the odds of Trump making it to 2024 without doing or saying something stupid are remote

I would have agreed when Trump was first elected, but he’s bearing down on a second term pretty quickly so I might not be the best judge of these things. Otherwise, I would say the similarities are definitely there, yes. Mostly in the way they market themselves as “not career politicians”.

@Mufasa

As I have stated before…I simply don’t have a good “feel” for what “Conservative” or “Liberal” or “Labour” etc. mean in the UK , like I do with similar terms in the States

In the past we had much more moderate parties and the differences had been less noticeable. In general Labour are more left wing and Conservative more right wing. Typically the big differences in my lifetime have been economic rather than social. Both parties have typically been far to the left, socially, of American Republicans, with the odd exception of someone like Anne Widdecombe who was marginally to the right of Ghengis Khan.

In this election, things have changed somewhat in that the Labour party took a big swerve left into far more socialist territory. The Conservatives on the other hand basically campaigned on two platforms:

1. Brexit.
2. Look at the beardy little twat.
   The second was probably more successful than the first, especially since the papers (many voters source of news), have been unashamedly pro-Boris.

You’ll notice I didn’t mention the LibDems, because who cares?

Anyone with more of a grounding in British politics can feel free to correct me on anything you feel I’ve got wrong.

[Mufasa]

Thanks, @dagill2! That was very helpful!

Yes…Trump is bearing down on a second term that I think he will win.

Not only is his Minion Base simply immovable…the DEMS (IMO) seem to be doing anything and everything they can to snatch defeat out of the hands of Victory.

[dagill2]

@Mufasa

DEMS (IMO) seem to be doing anything and everything they can to snatch defeat out of the hands of Victory

See also: Jeremy Corbin.

[loppar]

Tom Walker aka Jonathan Pie is brilliant once again:

Election Aftermath!

[Legalsteel]

@dagill2

I think the odds of Boris making it to 2024 without saying or doing something stupid enough to lose his position are remote I think.

It’s all baked in, I think. And overturning a majority of this size in one parliament is a tall order.

[Legalsteel]

@dagill2

You’ll notice I didn’t mention the LibDems, because who cares?

Hear, hear.

[yorkshireiron]

@dagill2

I disagree with this. My observation is that very few people have changed their mind since 2016, certainly not enough to give a big majority either way.

Fair enough. I am one of those Remainers who would vote Leave now purely out of principle. A few of my mates are the same. You are correct though, the half a dozen of us wouldn’t swing the vote in any direction.

[yorkshireiron]

@thefourthruffian

much scoffing about how bad French tea was and how it should not be labeled tea, but something else

We don’t do ourselves any favours do we? Haha

@thefourthruffian

long bits about soccer (and this was financial, like how players were taxed when elsewhere. Also a playoff schedule that screwed England)

I think they’re misinformed with this one.

[dagill2]

@yorkshireiron

I am one of those Remainers who would vote Leave now purely out of principle

Out of curiosity, what would be the principle you’d be defending?

Edit: I think I likely agree with you, however I wouldn’t vote in a second referendum in either direction.

[alphonsus12]

@dagill2

This is the only argument for Brexit I’ve ever heard that actually holds some water. I’ve sincerely questioned many Leavers on their reasoning, including my own parents and the only argument I’ve heard that stands up to any scrutiny in self determination. It must be said, it often falls down when you start asking what, specifically, the EU was stopping Britain from deciding, but at least it’s a logical, sensible reason.

The question I’d ask next is what happens with that self determination. I can’t help but think that the predators have isolated us against the protection of the pack. Now what?

[yorkshireiron]

@dagill2

Out of curiosity, what would be the principle you’d be defending?

Democracy.

The electorate (stupidly IMO) voted for Brexit, therefore, Brexit needs to get done.

[dagill2]

100% agreed. I wouldn’t vote for it still, because I still believe it to be an idiotic decision, but I also couldn’t vote against it in good conscience.

[mattjp]

@dagill2

I think the odds of Boris making it to 2024 without saying or doing something stupid enough to lose his position are remote I think.

Wow, that is an amazingly optimistic view of the modern political landscape.

We’re in an age now where the likes of Trump can get away with saying or doing anything because they can brazenly lie about it afterward and they won’t be held accountable.

Politicians have always lied, obviously, but it was always the “oh oopsie I meant gross figures, not net” lie that could be skirted around and defended. Nowadays they can outright deny ever saying a thing that they were recorded and broadcasted saying, and then… that’s it. They just say they didn’t and the world moves on.

If Boris, with his track record, can be resoundingly elected and supported, I doubt there’s much he can do over the next five years to be ousted.

[dagill2]

I kinda agree, he could do literally anything right now and still win a landslide. But 2024 will be a different game. Boris now equals Brexit, with all that entails, so by 2024 he’s either a scapegoat or an irrelevance.

[Legalsteel]

@yorkshireiron

I am one of those Remainers who would vote Leave now purely out of principle. A few of my mates are the same.

As is my brother, who was an arch remainer. No movement from my Twickenham Lib Dem dad, however.

It’s pointless to speculate on at this point, as Boris has one such an unimpeachable majority that remain is dead. It is now rejoin, and that’s never taking off.

[Legalsteel]

@mattjp

I doubt there’s much he can do over the next five years to be ousted.

A majority of that size has never lost (to my knowledge) in one parliamentary session, and given that the current runners and riders for Labour leadership are looking like continuity Corbyn, I cannot see him being budged anytime soon.