The Body Weight Factor

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Yeah… I mean absolutely no disrespect to anyone (including cueball!), but this thread was just starting to border on the absurd. Just seemed like a group of people doing pretty much the exact same thing they lambast X for doing, which is arguing for argument’s sake. Some people historically have an adversarial relationship with the Prof., and when they see his name they just go to town literally picking each word to pieces and hyper-analyzing his posts for tasty textual morsels to disparage. But really I found myself pretty much agreeing with the subject matter being discussed (which I posted above). And in fact, no one really disagrees with it, because it’s juvenilely obvious. So anyway… just spoke up, because it was feeling ridiculous.[/quote]

I would like to see less of it in general because all it is doing is stopping people from getting anything from any posts written.

It is the same people also all of the time. It has been 3 whole years of them acting like this…so it isn’t because I am writing anything so horrible that it is forcing them to act like this.

It is simply a bunch of facebook friends who leap together all of the time for the same action.[/quote]

I don’t even have a Facebook page, sherlock.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

Bodyweight gain is going to coincide with most appearance-based goals. The majority of the time, a lifter will have to gain weight (at least temporarily) in order to end up looking better, whatever “looking better” means to them.

If that 6’2" 170-pound guy wants to end up looking like Vin Diesel, I’d make it clear that he’s really looking to add 40+ pounds in the long-term. That’s definitely an eye-opening surprise to most newbs. If he wanted to end up looking like Jason Statham or some random slightly-smaller dude, he might end up in the lean 170-180 range, after being closer to 190-200 for a while…[/quote]

This was a good post.

Are you saying that a trainer may have to go through some period where they do not look ideal in order to reach their end goal?
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
It is the same people also all of the time. It has been 3 whole years of them acting like this…so it isn’t because I am writing anything so horrible that it is forcing them to act like this.

It is simply a bunch of facebook friends who leap together all of the time for the same action.[/quote]

That’s just not true. People respond to you the way they do because of the way you present yourself here, and that’s it. You can make all the excuses you want for your own personal accountability, but in the end it is simple - you reap what you sow.

Just the other day you said you were being civil to me, so why did I have an attitude with you? First off - your idea of civil is hilarious - if that’s “civil” I’d hate to see you being “not civil” and second - you’ve been obnoxious to me for years on this site, so you feel the slate is wiped clean with each new post? Of course not.

It’s funny how we used to get along just fine when I agreed with everything you said - lots of “Good progress” and “Great post” from you when I agreed completely, but when I started to disagree with some of your ideas, all of a sudden I was a “troll” with “no progress” - and I’m not the only one.

And I don’t even disagree with you on most of this - I think you should carry as much BF as you’re comfortable with and no one should give you shit for it. You HAVE built an extremely large, impressive physique - no doubt about that. But when you make claims of being over 300 pounds and “not fat” - well, there’s Dorian Yates, at similar height and weight - and you are clearly carrying nowhere near that amount of muscle, so how can you make those claims? Not to mention, you fight with everyone on this site - you draw them into arguments and then twist it around saying they stalk you - it’s just that kind of thing that really turns people off.

I mean, just look at these threads - you literally have 30 people telling you this, and you ignore it, but then some random with 40 posts and no avatar agrees with you, and you jump all over that as proof that you’re right - and the worst part is you are the first one to tell people to post pics and be accountable, but when people like that agree with you, it’s all good and you make no complaints about them not having pictures.

Not to mention, I have extended the olive branch to you many times, only to have you piss on it. So the bottom line is you can’t expect to talk down to a bunch of grown men, and then have them just accept that. But you do that every single day here, and then twist it all to lay the blame on everyone else.

That’s not going to sit well with most people, and that’s why these threads turn to shit, not because a bunch of “Facebook friends” are out to get you simply for the sheer joy of it.

[quote]cueball wrote:
For a long time I read WAY more than I posted, because most of the time the threads were great reads with good conversation. Doesn’t happen anymore and there’s a common theme to why.
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Because you started posting?

A black guy and an asian guy are standing next to each other…which one is more likely to have hypertension and diabetes? OMG THAT ISN’T SCIENCE

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

Bodyweight gain is going to coincide with most appearance-based goals. The majority of the time, a lifter will have to gain weight (at least temporarily) in order to end up looking better, whatever “looking better” means to them.

If that 6’2" 170-pound guy wants to end up looking like Vin Diesel, I’d make it clear that he’s really looking to add 40+ pounds in the long-term. That’s definitely an eye-opening surprise to most newbs. If he wanted to end up looking like Jason Statham or some random slightly-smaller dude, he might end up in the lean 170-180 range, after being closer to 190-200 for a while…[/quote]

This was a good post.

Are you saying that a trainer may have to go through some period where they do not look ideal in order to reach their end goal?
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While I think now I will be able to put on muscle with minimal fat gain, for the last year it really helped for me to bulk and put on more fat than would be “ideal.”

I think the real question would be, could I have made the same gains if I did something like IIFYM and added 50-100 grams to my “maintenance” levels? I think I could, but to be honest I didn’t have the knowledge to do that when I started last year. I think the whole initial overbulk thing works, but isn’t ideal. For noobs, moving forward is the key, while optimization comes later. It’s probably not even a big deal because progress is pretty fast/easy for noobs like myself.

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
A black guy and an asian guy are standing next to each other…which one is more likely to have hypertension and diabetes? OMG THAT ISN’T SCIENCE[/quote]
The black guy is more likely to have diabetes, but the Asian guy will have hypertension because he is scared of the black guy.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
A black guy and an asian guy are standing next to each other…which one is more likely to have hypertension and diabetes? OMG THAT ISN’T SCIENCE[/quote]
The black guy is more likely to have diabetes, but the Asian guy will have hypertension because he is scared of the black guy.[/quote]

LOL

Edit: An appropriate end to yet another shitstorm thread.

LOL indeed.