if lifts are increasing, it is safe to say some muscle is being gained.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I already wrote in this thread that strength can be increased by simply learning the movement which means neural adaptation and technique.[/quote]
Thanks for refuting the first statement with the second.
So again as X says, lifts increasing doesn’t necessarily mean muscle was gained, as X said. He is now arguing with himself.
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As a stat major I simply have to point out the logical fallacy occurring.
lifts are increasing = safe to say some muscle gain =/= absolute surety of muscle gain
neural adaptation and technique = lifts are increasing =/= no muscle gains
If you improve technique you are increasing your lifts without necessarily having increased muscle gains, but if you are increasing your lifts, it is more likely than not that you are experiencing muscle gain. That’s basically what he said, and there is no contradiction.
They taught us in school to talk kinda like that lol. You use your data in statistics to tell people something without ever giving them any absolutes.[/quote]
I don’t disagree with anything you posted.
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You don’t know what “juvenile diabetes” is, do you?[/quote]
Has nothing to do with you saying people claimed your uncle had it since birth. LOL at lambasting people for having to have stuff spelled out.
Keep trying to spin it. It looks silly.[/quote]
?? If my uncle wasn’t diagnosed until he was an adult, it is safe to say he probably didn’t have diabetes 1.
I mean, seriously, just stop. You don’t come across as more intelligent when you do this. Your “I agree with everything you said” post above shows this.
You are simply arguing because it is me writing…and it isn’t a good look for you.
What if I say everything X says?.. Let’s see if I get different reactions!
Getting fatter can improve your leverages/range of motion/biomechanics and result in the ability to move heavier loads on certain movements.
You can increase the amount of weight you are able to lift on a movement without muscle gain due to improved technique.
You can increase strength without muscle gain via training the nervous system with heavy weight.
If your strength on lifts is increasing over a period of time, statistically, it is more likely than not that you are in fact gaining muscle, although this is not always the case.
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
ProfessorX, using your uncle who has diabetes as an example of why “how much fat one carries is directly connected to insulin resistance” hypothesis is wrong is a bad argument.
Your uncle likely has diabetes 1 being thin and all and is sensitive to insulin, he just has to take it exogenously. [/quote]
You assumed quite a bit. I already wrote that he was diagnosed with it late. He never had diabetes until after age 50. Why would you assume he had diabetes 1 from birth from what I wrote?
I was simply making the point that being FAT is NOT necessary to even get diabetes…so saying fat alone is what causes all of this is a huge understatement and misrepresentation of what we are actually seeing in the data.[/quote]
Show us in his post where he talks about “from birth”.
You don’t know what “juvenile diabetes” is, do you?[/quote]
Has nothing to do with you saying people claimed your uncle had it since birth. LOL at lambasting people for having to have stuff spelled out.
Keep trying to spin it. It looks silly.[/quote]
?? If my uncle wasn’t diagnosed until he was an adult, it is safe to say he probably didn’t have diabetes 1.
I mean, seriously, just stop. You don’t come across as more intelligent when you do this. Your “I agree with everything you said” post above shows this.
You are simply arguing because it is me writing…and it isn’t a good look for you.[/quote]
"Type 1 diabetes used to be known as “juvenile” diabetes, occurring most often in children and teens. When adults find out they have diabetes, it is usually considered to be type 2, but there are some adults who actually have type 1 instead.
Most of the teaching about type 1 diabetes is geared for kids and their parents. Adults diagnosed with the disease often find that there aren’t very many information or support resources for them. They sometimes feel like they don’t “fit” the disease."
From the first link that popped up for a search about adult onset type 1.
"Type 1 diabetes used to be known as “juvenile” diabetes, occurring most often in children and teens. When adults find out they have diabetes, it is usually considered to be type 2, but there are some adults who actually have type 1 instead.
Most of the teaching about type 1 diabetes is geared for kids and their parents. Adults diagnosed with the disease often find that there aren’t very many information or support resources for them. They sometimes feel like they don’t “fit” the disease."
From the first like that popped up for a search about adult onset type 1.
I feel really silly.[/quote]
You should. It would be very rare for an adult to have all out diabetes 1 because it REQUIRES insulin to treat. You don’t treat it with training and diet like you can many type II patients. That is why I wrote it is safe to say if he wasn’t diagnosed with anything until that late in life, he probably did NOT have diabetes 1.
Not to mention I know the man and know he doesn’t have diabetes 1.
"Type 1 diabetes used to be known as “juvenile” diabetes, occurring most often in children and teens. When adults find out they have diabetes, it is usually considered to be type 2, but there are some adults who actually have type 1 instead.
Most of the teaching about type 1 diabetes is geared for kids and their parents. Adults diagnosed with the disease often find that there aren’t very many information or support resources for them. They sometimes feel like they don’t “fit” the disease."
From the first like that popped up for a search about adult onset type 1.
I feel really silly.[/quote]
You should. It would be very rare for an older adult to have all out diabetes 1 because it REQUIRES insulin to treat. You don’t treat it with training and diet like you can many type II patients. That is why I wrote it is safe to say if he wasn’t diagnosed with anything until that late in life, he probably did NOT have diabetes 1.
Not to mention I know the man and know he doesn’t have diabetes 1.[/quote]
What does this have to do with you accusing someone of stating he had it from birth?
What does this have to do with you accusing someone of stating he had it from birth?
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I am trying my best not to insult you, but your lack of understanding of basic info is getting a bit irritating. No one should need all of this spelled out for them like this.
What does this have to do with you accusing someone of stating he had it from birth?
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I am trying my best not to insult you, but your lack of understanding of basic info is getting a bit irritating. No one should need all of this spelled out for them like this.[/quote]
[quote]csulli wrote:
What if I say everything X says?.. Let’s see if I get different reactions!
Getting fatter can improve your leverages/range of motion/biomechanics and result in the ability to move heavier loads on certain movements.
You can increase the amount of weight you are able to lift on a movement without muscle gain due to improved technique.
You can increase strength without muscle gain via training the nervous system with heavy weight.
If your strength on lifts is increasing over a period of time, statistically, it is more likely than not that you are in fact gaining muscle, although this is not always the case.
I wanna see how many people disagree with me.[/quote]
[quote]csulli wrote:
What if I say everything X says?.. Let’s see if I get different reactions!
Getting fatter can improve your leverages/range of motion/biomechanics and result in the ability to move heavier loads on certain movements.
You can increase the amount of weight you are able to lift on a movement without muscle gain due to improved technique.
You can increase strength without muscle gain via training the nervous system with heavy weight.
If your strength on lifts is increasing over a period of time, statistically, it is more likely than not that you are in fact gaining muscle, although this is not always the case.
I wanna see how many people disagree with me.[/quote]
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Show me one post where anybody actually disagreed with these statements.
All those statements, save for MAYBE the last, were first brought out by other posters because X wanted to argue against a statement about increasing lifts without muscle gain.
And, in typical fashion, over several pages and posts, puts these statements in his posts so he can say he never said it couldn’t happen.
[quote]csulli wrote:
What if I say everything X says?.. Let’s see if I get different reactions!
Getting fatter can improve your leverages/range of motion/biomechanics and result in the ability to move heavier loads on certain movements.
You can increase the amount of weight you are able to lift on a movement without muscle gain due to improved technique.
You can increase strength without muscle gain via training the nervous system with heavy weight.
If your strength on lifts is increasing over a period of time, statistically, it is more likely than not that you are in fact gaining muscle, although this is not always the case.
I wanna see how many people disagree with me.[/quote]
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Show me one post where anybody actually disagreed with these statements.[/quote]
Conclusion…if no one disagrees with those statements, then all of the “arguing” in this thread is simply because people want to disagree with things I alone write.
Thank you for playing.
Unless you can find these quotes without taking things out of context where I said anything different, then hopefully you will post less.
I mean, seriously, it isn’t like anyone is getting anything positive at all from you typing here.
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
ProfessorX, using your uncle who has diabetes as an example of why “how much fat one carries is directly connected to insulin resistance” hypothesis is wrong is a bad argument.
Your uncle likely has diabetes 1 being thin and all and is sensitive to insulin, he just has to take it exogenously. [/quote]
You assumed quite a bit. I already wrote that he was diagnosed with it late. He never had diabetes until after age 50. Why would you assume he had diabetes 1 from birth from what I wrote?
I was simply making the point that being FAT is NOT necessary to even get diabetes…so saying fat alone is what causes all of this is a huge understatement and misrepresentation of what we are actually seeing in the data.[/quote]
Show us in his post where he talks about “from birth”.[/quote]
LOL won’t you ever give it a rest!
you seem so stressed and angry!
i am sure you aint even mad but even so you fucking go on
Yeah… I mean absolutely no disrespect to anyone (including cueball!), but this thread was just starting to border on the absurd. Just seemed like a group of people doing pretty much the exact same thing they lambast X for doing, which is arguing for argument’s sake. Some people historically have an adversarial relationship with the Prof., and when they see his name they just go to town literally picking each word to pieces and hyper-analyzing his posts for tasty textual morsels to disparage.
But really I found myself pretty much agreeing with the subject matter being discussed (which I posted above). And in fact, no one really disagrees with it, because it’s juvenilely obvious. So anyway… just spoke up, because it was feeling ridiculous.
Bodyweight gain is going to coincide with most appearance-based goals. The majority of the time, a lifter will have to gain weight (at least temporarily) in order to end up looking better, whatever “looking better” means to them.
If that 6’2" 170-pound guy wants to end up looking like Vin Diesel, I’d make it clear that he’s really looking to add 40+ pounds in the long-term. That’s definitely an eye-opening surprise to most newbs. If he wanted to end up looking like Jason Statham or some random slightly-smaller dude, he might end up in the lean 170-180 range, after being closer to 190-200 for a while…[/quote]
This was a good post.
Are you saying that a trainer may have to go through some period where they do not look ideal in order to reach their end goal?
[quote]csulli wrote:
Yeah… I mean absolutely no disrespect to anyone (including cueball!), but this thread was just starting to border on the absurd. Just seemed like a group of people doing pretty much the exact same thing they lambast X for doing, which is arguing for argument’s sake. Some people historically have an adversarial relationship with the Prof., and when they see his name they just go to town literally picking each word to pieces and hyper-analyzing his posts for tasty textual morsels to disparage. But really I found myself pretty much agreeing with the subject matter being discussed (which I posted above). And in fact, no one really disagrees with it, because it’s juvenilely obvious. So anyway… just spoke up, because it was feeling ridiculous.[/quote]
I would like to see less of it in general because all it is doing is stopping people from getting anything from any posts written.
It is the same people also all of the time. It has been 3 whole years of them acting like this…so it isn’t because I am writing anything so horrible that it is forcing them to act like this.
It is simply a bunch of facebook friends who leap together all of the time for the same action.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Yeah… I mean absolutely no disrespect to anyone (including cueball!), but this thread was just starting to border on the absurd. Just seemed like a group of people doing pretty much the exact same thing they lambast X for doing, which is arguing for argument’s sake. Some people historically have an adversarial relationship with the Prof., and when they see his name they just go to town literally picking each word to pieces and hyper-analyzing his posts for tasty textual morsels to disparage. But really I found myself pretty much agreeing with the subject matter being discussed (which I posted above). And in fact, no one really disagrees with it, because it’s juvenilely obvious. So anyway… just spoke up, because it was feeling ridiculous.[/quote]
No disrespect taken at all. I guess maybe it just comes down to dishing out what’s been served to everyone else forever. For a long time I read WAY more than I posted, because most of the time the threads were great reads with good conversation. Doesn’t happen anymore and there’s a common theme to why.
I got tired of sitting back watching good threads (and posters) get shit on for no reason and decided to open up. And, when I did, and he sees you won’t stop making him accountable, You get called, kid, son, someone who can’t understand simple info, a homosexual, etc.