[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Lunge jokes aside, I’m supposed to believe you can deadlift significantly more than that when you looked like you were going to die during the sets?[/quote]
You are supposed to be mature enough to understand that it doesn’t matter how strong you are, if you haven’t done an exercise at all in over ten years, you will NOT be using the most weight during your very first attempt at it again…which is what you saw on film.
You can bet I was moving more weight within the week after adding it back in until the motorcycle accident.
My conditioning was very poor when I went to CO. That is why I do way more conditioning work now. Again, the delusion seems to lie elsewhere.[/quote]
So how do you explain struggling with a band assisted 3 plate bench, but repping 4 plate hammer strength bench and literally claiming the difference between the 2 movements is only 4-5 lbs?
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I am wearing a wrap on my left elbow because of the car accident and injury I was still recovering from. If you are judging my strength range from videos where the focus was conditioning, your prespective is way off.
Well according to you, unracking that seated military press all by yourself in itself proves that you’re strong. But of course you could do strict preacher curls with an 85 lb db. Did you use two hands?
regarding this topic, in one of the threads you talked about fat gain’s involvement in a.) better leverages and b.) fascial stretching
I agree with the first point, but the latter is completely wrong. Fat gain does stretch fascia, but it stretches superficial fascia, which will revert to its original shape once you lose the fat. Deep fascia, which surrounds muscles only and not fat, will be unaffected.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Well according to you, unracking that seated military press all by yourself in itself proves that you’re strong. But of course you could do strict preacher curls with an 85 lb db. Did you use two hands?
regarding this topic, in one of the threads you talked about fat gain’s involvement in a.) better leverages and b.) fascial stretching
I agree with the first point, but the latter is completely wrong. Fat gain does stretch fascia, but it stretches superficial fascia, which will revert to its original shape once you lose the fat. Deep fascia, which surrounds muscles only and not fat, will be unaffected.[/quote]
Yeah, tell me about it.
People can Google “Bruce Randall” and read up on a bulk leading to 400 pounds and monstrous lifts and a subsequent diet leading to a stage weight of 187!
my only two cents at this point is regarding the hammer machines.
i like them, now that i am doing more bodybuilding, but as far as numbers goes or talking about “strength” you can forget it.
i cannot bench press 200lbs with a regular bar, the empty bar actually causes me shoulder pain, but on a hammer incline i can do reps with 4 plates and some change each side, and nearly the same on the hammer overhead press.
so when you talk about strength on the hammer machines, please keep the ego in check.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
my only two cents at this point is regarding the hammer machines.
i like them, now that i am doing more bodybuilding, but as far as numbers goes or talking about “strength” you can forget it.
i cannot bench press 200lbs with a regular bar, the empty bar actually causes me shoulder pain, but on a hammer incline i can do reps with 4 plates and some change each side, and nearly the same on the hammer overhead press.
so when you talk about strength on the hammer machines, please keep the ego in check. [/quote]
Bot no one ever said otherwise. They took one statement about the LAYING FLAT HS BENCH PRESS being close to the same weight in free weights FROM THE WEBSITE and took that and ran.
I would expect for you to be able to move more weight if the balancing aspect of free weights is taken out of the equation. Again, no one ever said anything else.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Well according to you, unracking that seated military press all by yourself in itself proves that you’re strong. But of course you could do strict preacher curls with an 85 lb db. Did you use two hands?
regarding this topic, in one of the threads you talked about fat gain’s involvement in a.) better leverages and b.) fascial stretching
I agree with the first point, but the latter is completely wrong. Fat gain does stretch fascia, but it stretches superficial fascia, which will revert to its original shape once you lose the fat. Deep fascia, which surrounds muscles only and not fat, will be unaffected.[/quote]
Dude, let it go. There’s over a decade of empirical evidence suggesting that PX is incapable of admitting he’s wrong or owning up to his bullshit/delusions. Despite a couple of people offering direct quotes of his, he literally just claimed people are making up and twisting things he said. I’m also surprised more people didn’t address his claim that the average person thinks he looks more impressive than CT. The guy clearly lives in his own world comprised of monumental insecurities and extreme delusions of grandeur.
it is not just the balancing factor, but the angle of the grip, the ROM, and the skewed strength curve (lighter at bottom of lift, overload at lockout) too.
like i said, numbers are pretty worthless when talking hammer machines, just try to do more than you did the week before, and compete with yourself.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Well according to you, unracking that seated military press all by yourself in itself proves that you’re strong. But of course you could do strict preacher curls with an 85 lb db. Did you use two hands?
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I said alternate dumbbell curls so maybe you simply have trouble reading?
I was curling 90’s years ago, How do you think you get arms this size?
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regarding this topic, in one of the threads you talked about fat gain’s involvement in a.) better leverages and b.) fascial stretching
I agree with the first point, but the latter is completely wrong. Fat gain does stretch fascia, but it stretches superficial fascia, which will revert to its original shape once you lose the fat. Deep fascia, which surrounds muscles only and not fat, will be unaffected.[/quote]
I am sorry, but fat gain is also involved with interstitial gain in between muscle cells…so your statement is incorrect. Also, the theory is that fascial stretching in itself can aid in more muscle gain. This is a theory. Science doesn’t even have a way of proving that WRONG yet.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
it is not just the balancing factor, but the angle of the grip, the ROM, and the skewed strength curve (lighter at bottom of lift, overload at lockout) too.
like i said, numbers are pretty worthless when talking hammer machines, just try to do more than you did the week before, and compete with yourself. [/quote]
Once again, NO ONE EVER SAID ANYTHING ELSE.
This is why I try to avoid even mentioning what I lift here…because someone will take ANY number mentioned and try to make up a bunch of bullshit…like the poster above taking what I said about my alternate dumbbell curl and changing that to “preacher curls”…
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Well according to you, unracking that seated military press all by yourself in itself proves that you’re strong. But of course you could do strict preacher curls with an 85 lb db. Did you use two hands?
regarding this topic, in one of the threads you talked about fat gain’s involvement in a.) better leverages and b.) fascial stretching
I agree with the first point, but the latter is completely wrong. Fat gain does stretch fascia, but it stretches superficial fascia, which will revert to its original shape once you lose the fat. Deep fascia, which surrounds muscles only and not fat, will be unaffected.[/quote]
Dude, let it go. There’s over a decade of empirical evidence suggesting that PX is incapable of admitting he’s wrong or owning up to his bullshit/delusions. Despite a couple of people offering direct quotes of his, he literally just claimed people are making up and twisting things he said. I’m also surprised more people didn’t address his claim that the average person thinks he looks more impressive than CT. The guy clearly lives in his own world comprised of monumental insecurities and extreme delusions of grandeur.[/quote]
like i said, the guy is either clinically insane, as no normal well adjusted person would be able to function socially with other human beings as peers or friends with such and inflated ego and exaggerated sense of self worth.
but again, i honestly do not think that this is the case. he is FUCKING with you all, he may try to sound mad and indignant with his posts, but I guarantee he is smiling and laughing and enjoying all this attention.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Despite a couple of people offering direct quotes of his, he literally just claimed people are making up and twisting things he said. I’m also surprised more people didn’t address his claim that the average person thinks he looks more impressive than CT. The guy clearly lives in his own world comprised of monumental insecurities and extreme delusions of grandeur.[/quote]
The statement was that most people will be more impressed by the larger man in the room assuming they are both built. You are the one making this an issue between me and CT.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Well according to you, unracking that seated military press all by yourself in itself proves that you’re strong. But of course you could do strict preacher curls with an 85 lb db. Did you use two hands?
regarding this topic, in one of the threads you talked about fat gain’s involvement in a.) better leverages and b.) fascial stretching
I agree with the first point, but the latter is completely wrong. Fat gain does stretch fascia, but it stretches superficial fascia, which will revert to its original shape once you lose the fat. Deep fascia, which surrounds muscles only and not fat, will be unaffected.[/quote]
Dude, let it go. There’s over a decade of empirical evidence suggesting that PX is incapable of admitting he’s wrong or owning up to his bullshit/delusions. Despite a couple of people offering direct quotes of his, he literally just claimed people are making up and twisting things he said. I’m also surprised more people didn’t address his claim that the average person thinks he looks more impressive than CT. The guy clearly lives in his own world comprised of monumental insecurities and extreme delusions of grandeur.[/quote]
like i said, the guy is either clinically insane, as no normal well adjusted person would be able to function socially with other human beings as peers or friends with such and inflated ego and exaggerated sense of self worth.
but again, i honestly do not think that this is the case. he is FUCKING with you all, he may try to sound mad and indignant with his posts, but I guarantee he is smiling and laughing and enjoying all this attention.
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I don’t know man. You gotta be pretty fucking committed to keep a joke running for over a decade…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
it is not just the balancing factor, but the angle of the grip, the ROM, and the skewed strength curve (lighter at bottom of lift, overload at lockout) too.
like i said, numbers are pretty worthless when talking hammer machines, just try to do more than you did the week before, and compete with yourself. [/quote]
Once again, NO ONE EVER SAID ANYTHING ELSE.
This is why I try to avoid even mentioning what I lift here…because someone will take ANY number mentioned and try to make up a bunch of bullshit…like the poster above taking what I said about my alternate dumbbell curl and changing that to “preacher curls”…[/quote]
THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT IT UP
is that i often see you referencing and or defending your hammer numbers in relation to your size, i.e. “nobody my size is weak” etc.
i am pretty big too, but it has nothing to do with my hammer strength numbers, but it is about all the years i did powerlifting and olympic lifting and throwing, and how hard i stress my muscles (tut, intensity, volume, etc. ) now with whatever apparatus or movement i do.
THAT IS IS RED CRAYON BY THE WAY
got that in before you could. heh.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Well according to you, unracking that seated military press all by yourself in itself proves that you’re strong. But of course you could do strict preacher curls with an 85 lb db. Did you use two hands?
regarding this topic, in one of the threads you talked about fat gain’s involvement in a.) better leverages and b.) fascial stretching
I agree with the first point, but the latter is completely wrong. Fat gain does stretch fascia, but it stretches superficial fascia, which will revert to its original shape once you lose the fat. Deep fascia, which surrounds muscles only and not fat, will be unaffected.[/quote]
Dude, let it go. There’s over a decade of empirical evidence suggesting that PX is incapable of admitting he’s wrong or owning up to his bullshit/delusions. Despite a couple of people offering direct quotes of his, he literally just claimed people are making up and twisting things he said. I’m also surprised more people didn’t address his claim that the average person thinks he looks more impressive than CT. The guy clearly lives in his own world comprised of monumental insecurities and extreme delusions of grandeur.[/quote]
like i said, the guy is either clinically insane, as no normal well adjusted person would be able to function socially with other human beings as peers or friends with such and inflated ego and exaggerated sense of self worth.
but again, i honestly do not think that this is the case. he is FUCKING with you all, he may try to sound mad and indignant with his posts, but I guarantee he is smiling and laughing and enjoying all this attention.
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I don’t know man. You gotta be pretty fucking committed to keep a joke running for over a decade…
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It has become my opinion too. Most committed troll ever.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT IT UP
is that i often see you referencing and or defending your hammer numbers in relation to your size, i.e. “nobody my size is weak” etc.
i am pretty big too, but it has nothing to do with my hammer strength numbers,
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Wow. I didn’t even start using HS machines until after years on the barbell and the dumbbells…so yeah, I do make statements that I am not weak. Mentioning what I lift now on HS machines has nothing to do with it.
What is a joke is anyone acting like what I am writing makes no sense. The only way to even act like that is to change words around. I guess the slow ones will fall for that.
X, I’m sorry I disrespected you by cursing in frustration and politely asking you to repost a post. However, it makes me wonder if you’ve ever experienced REAL disrespect in real life because it’s often far more severe–makes me wonder if you’re so offended by adults cursing here and there or if you’ve ever done something competitive with other men with normal testosterone levels.
Anyway, I have one more burning, nagging inquiry, and I think perhaps you can take part in this sort of discussion because it doesn’t involve fictional noobs. It involves you.
You’ve said you’ve sported “not fat” 30 inch thighs and weighing “not fat” 285# and have gained 80 pounds of mostly muscle. When people hear or read about such stats and accomplishment, who comes to their minds are the freakiest, drug loaded, genetically gifted bodybuilders, Powerlifters, and Strongmen ever. We’re talking Nasser El Sonbaty, Jeanne Pierre Fuchs, Jay Cutler, Ronnie Coleman, Dorian Yates, Michael Francois, and so on.
Are you saying at one point you looked like these guys?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Well according to you, unracking that seated military press all by yourself in itself proves that you’re strong. But of course you could do strict preacher curls with an 85 lb db. Did you use two hands?
regarding this topic, in one of the threads you talked about fat gain’s involvement in a.) better leverages and b.) fascial stretching
I agree with the first point, but the latter is completely wrong. Fat gain does stretch fascia, but it stretches superficial fascia, which will revert to its original shape once you lose the fat. Deep fascia, which surrounds muscles only and not fat, will be unaffected.[/quote]
Yeah, tell me about it.
People can Google “Bruce Randall” and read up on a bulk leading to 400 pounds and monstrous lifts and a subsequent diet leading to a stage weight of 187! [/quote]
If you think you only gain fat “superficially” you don’t know much about how your body works at that level. There is interstitial gain of body fat as well.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Anyway, I have one more burning, nagging inquiry, and I think perhaps you can take part in this sort of discussion because it doesn’t involve fictional noobs. It involves you.
You’ve said you’ve sported “not fat” 30 inch thighs and weighing “not fat” 285# and have gained 80 pounds of mostly muscle. When people hear or read about such stats and accomplishment, who comes to their minds are the freakiest, drug loaded, genetically gifted bodybuilders, Powerlifters, and Strongmen ever. We’re talking Nasser El Sonbaty, Jeanne Pierre Fuchs, Jay Cutler, Ronnie Coleman, Dorian Yates, Michael Francois, and so on.
Are you saying at one point you looked like these guys? [/quote]
Nope. All of my pictures are already posted over the years. I don’t have to look like those guys to gain 80lbs of muscle. That is what YOU are claiming.
Please explain why you feel that no one can gain 50-80lbs of muscle without lookiing like Dorian Yates.
yes, that statement is consistent with what you have said many times before, no argument there,
but i have heard you talk about repping out 5 plates in a hammer machine, and when challenged that is not a real impressive feat of strength, you have stated to the effect that nobody who is weak or does not have a comparable amount of muscle (such as yourself) could move that much weight on a hammer press.
i know i am very weak right now in upper body pressing movements due to chronic injuries, and i can move quite a few plates on a hammer machine.
wow yourself.