Does anyone have pics of that time Mike Quinn was far from lean for some contest back in '92 or '93?
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
The difference is, John Daly can actually play golf, and he’s won a major. He’s just “colorful.” They don’t let a 26 handicapper on the course in a pro event to make a mockery of the sport, ever.
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Exactly. It’s one thing to be good at what you do and clown around and quite another to be bad at it and make a joke of everyone who actually puts real time into it.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
- Seeing this guy on contest day and not letting him compete. They can’t discriminate against him wanting to compete if he already signed up and payed. If you’re going to open the competition to everyone and let him sign up/pay they have to let him walk on stage.
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I’m not looking to get into an argument about this, but they absolutely can and should discriminate. A quick disclaimer in the registration materials and a refund of the entrance free should suffice. Frankly, it’s bad business for the promoter to allow this to go on. It pisses off the other competitors and pisses off audience members as well.
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I have been to two shows where someone walked on who clearly shouldn’t have been there. It means the entire feeling of the show gets paused for a pity clap. I feel like someone should at least look the part of someone of the level they are competing at or they shouldn’t be admitted. I truly do feel lots of guys like that are delusional. They think their effort, no matter how small, is the same as someone who put some significant effort and time into it.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Would that kind of action be tolerated in Pro Golf? Bowling even?
Imagine the same idiot jumping into the ring of a pro boxing match. [/quote]
Andres Gonzalez dressed like the ushers at the Byron Nelson this year, and was clowning around half the time. People call him the Kenny Powers of golf.
John Daly has shown up to hundreds of golf tournaments drunk. He’s also created scenes on the course and quit a tournament or 2 in the middle of playing a hole.
Several PGA pros got in trouble for smoking pot on the course.
People make asses of themselves in sports all the time. Even golf.
FTR, there’s a big difference between professional sports and amateur sports. All the vids in this thread are amateur bodybuilding competitions. Compare those to low level amateur sports in other areas. You seriously don’t think there’s a ton of goofing/disrespecting at the lower levels of EVERY sport? Compare professional golf to the Olympia, or any competition requiring a pro card, not this.[/quote]
The difference is, John Daly can actually play golf, and he’s won a major. He’s just “colorful.” They don’t let a 26 handicapper on the course in a pro event to make a mockery of the sport, ever.
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John Daly also plays in PRO tournaments. You’re ignoring the fact that these aren’t pro bodybuilding comps. They DO let 26 handicappers on the course at amateur tournaments. If you’ve ever played in an amateur tourney (ftr, I’ve played in plenty), you’ve probably seen a ton of people making a mockery of the game. Driving their carts around like idiots, hitting balls at people, damaging greens, etc.
The more serious golfers at these events get offended, just like at these amateur bodybuilding shows. My only point is that bullshit happens at amateur sporting events, period. Bodybuilding is no exception.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
The more I think about this, the more I think it falls on the organizers to screen out contestants who are there to ridicule bodybuilding. It would be easy for them to include something in the registration materials along the lines of, “Organizers reserve the right to deny entrance to any competitor based on organizers sole judgement. Registration fees will be fully refunded to those denied entrance.”
It shouldn’t take much to determine who is a newcomer to the sport who wants to gain some experience and maybe push himself out of his comfort zone and who is there because he lost a bet with his buddies. Ask a guy about his training, ask him to hit a few poses. If you get good answers and he knows what a FDB is, then you got your answer.
The guy who goes up there and clowns around is disrespecting the other competitors, the sport, and the audience no matter how much they clap and laugh. I didn’t pay admission to see some goofball prance around and get in the other competitors way. [/quote]
This.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
- Seeing this guy on contest day and not letting him compete. They can’t discriminate against him wanting to compete if he already signed up and payed. If you’re going to open the competition to everyone and let him sign up/pay they have to let him walk on stage.
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I’m not looking to get into an argument about this, but they absolutely can and should discriminate.[/quote]
^^come on now. You can’t even believe this. In the overly politically correct America that we live in they “absolutely can and should discriminate”?
Yes a quick disclaimer, which didn’t exist at the time, COULD possibly remove this issue BUT they didn’t have one which is why I said they could not stop him from competing.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
It would have been cool if the 2 real competitors looked at each other knowingly, then each grab the arm of the skinny-fat asshole, and escorted him offstage.
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Or they could’ve used a shepherd’s crook to hook the hyperactive blond bunghole and pull him off like in those old vaudeville acts. He moved around too much for a trap door to be a viable option.
I’m sure the competitor on the left was a hair away from hitting him when he ‘muscled in’ and gave him a light tap on the back before running back.
I bet the fucker works in an office and is constantly haranguing his colleagues with god-awful jokes, wears ‘hilarious’ technicolor specs and zany bow ties. Yeah - he’s THAT guy.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
4. Seeing this guy on contest day and not letting him compete. They can’t discriminate against him wanting to compete if he already signed up and payed. If you’re going to open the competition to everyone and let him sign up/pay they have to let him walk on stage.[/quote]
I’m not looking to get into an argument about this, but they absolutely can and should discriminate. A quick disclaimer in the registration materials and a refund of the entrance free should suffice. Frankly, it’s bad business for the promoter to allow this to go on. It pisses off the other competitors and pisses off audience members as well. [/quote]
I have been to two shows where someone walked on who clearly shouldn’t have been there. It means the entire feeling of the show gets paused for a pity clap. I feel like someone should at least look the part of someone of the level they are competing at or they shouldn’t be admitted. I truly do feel lots of guys like that are delusional. They think their effort, no matter how small, is the same as someone who put some significant effort and time into it.[/quote]
Again though, I’d expect it to be a fine line sometimes.
Should the show promoters really have told the guy in black trunks to go home as soon as they saw him warming up? Same goes for the guy in red trunks in the first video on page 1. No doubt he’s superfat, but what if he told them, “Hey, I’ve been training for this thing for 4 months and I paid the entrance fee.”
I definitely agree that the guys who are obviously clowning and not there to actually compete (purple trunks in the second vid on pg 1) should be pulled out and sent packing in between rounds.
But, again, the tricky part is that these are supposed to be amateur comps where people compete for the first time, so we can’t just exclude everyone who doesn’t look like a challenger for first place from the get-go. Somebody’s got to come in last, I guess.
I’d be interested to hear Stu’s take on this situation, or anyone who’s actually competed on stage.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
It would have been cool if the 2 real competitors looked at each other knowingly, then each grab the arm of the skinny-fat asshole, and escorted him offstage.
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Or they could’ve used a shepherd’s crook to hook the hyperactive blond bunghole and pull him off like in those old vaudeville acts. He moved around too much for a trap door to be a viable option.
I’m sure the competitor on the left was a hair away from hitting him when he ‘muscled in’ and gave him a light tap on the back before running back.
I bet the fucker works in an office and is constantly haranguing his colleagues with god-awful jokes, wears ‘hilarious’ technicolor specs and zany bow ties. Yeah - he’s THAT guy. [/quote]
Exactly!..like Banya from Seinfeld.
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
4. Seeing this guy on contest day and not letting him compete. They can’t discriminate against him wanting to compete if he already signed up and payed. If you’re going to open the competition to everyone and let him sign up/pay they have to let him walk on stage.[/quote]
I’m not looking to get into an argument about this, but they absolutely can and should discriminate. A quick disclaimer in the registration materials and a refund of the entrance free should suffice. Frankly, it’s bad business for the promoter to allow this to go on. It pisses off the other competitors and pisses off audience members as well. [/quote]
I have been to two shows where someone walked on who clearly shouldn’t have been there. It means the entire feeling of the show gets paused for a pity clap. I feel like someone should at least look the part of someone of the level they are competing at or they shouldn’t be admitted. I truly do feel lots of guys like that are delusional. They think their effort, no matter how small, is the same as someone who put some significant effort and time into it.[/quote]
Again though, I’d expect it to be a fine line sometimes.
Should the show promoters really have told the guy in black trunks to go home as soon as they saw him warming up? Same goes for the guy in red trunks in the first video on page 1. No doubt he’s superfat, but what if he told them, “Hey, I’ve been training for this thing for 4 months and I paid the entrance fee.”
I definitely agree that the guys who are obviously clowning and not there to actually compete (purple trunks in the second vid on pg 1) should be pulled out and sent packing in between rounds.
But, again, the tricky part is that these are supposed to be amateur comps where people compete for the first time, so we can’t just exclude everyone who doesn’t look like a challenger for first place from the get-go. Somebody’s got to come in last, I guess.
I’d be interested to hear Stu’s take on this situation, or anyone who’s actually competed on stage.[/quote]
I bet he did the show just for the sword. I want a sword now. Where do I sign up?
At my very first contest, there was a woman onstage who was clearly not in shape. In fact, I’m guessing she was a good 20 lbs above being ‘not in shape’. A bunch of people in the audience were expressing their negative opinions of her after the prejudging, when my good friend Paul pointed out that maybe this woman had just dropped 100 lbs, and was so proud of the body she was now sporting, that being able to bare it onstage as her work of art was an amazing experience for her, and indeed a very respectable victory.
Now,… while I do agree with the validity of Paul’s assessment, there is also a certain sporting quality to competitive bodybuilding that has to be considered. I don’t want to open the is-bodybuilding-a-sport can of worms again, but it’s inarguable that the majority of folks getting onstage are trying to win (or at least place well). Looking at the few videos posted up in this thread, obviously that blond ass-clown made a mockery of the event, and were it my promotion, I would have had him escorted off stage simply out of respect to the rest of the competitors.
True, at amateur contests, if you’re having an open entry process (I’ve seen shows where you are actually screened before being allowed to compete in order to avoid this), you can make certain requirements in disclaimers in terms of behavior or expressed attitude onstage and towards other competitors. You can’t however really limit how out of shape someone shows up in. This obviously becomes less of an issue at higher level and pro contests, but for entry level stuff, it’s just the way the cards fall.
Even at more difficult shows, you’re always going to have the guy who just didn’t know what he was getting into. Usually they don’t make an ass out of themselves because they’re embarrassed pretty badly just looking around backstage. Still, and this may just be human nature, some people realize they screwed up, and play things off as a joke. In cases like this, you get the insulting messes that garner a million views on youtube -lol.
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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I bet in an XL shirt he looks like he lifts 
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I bet in an XL shirt he looks like he lifts :D[/quote]
Do you?
LOL. I am guessing most people in the gym can tell the difference between a muscular guy and one who is just fat.
