The AnimalPak Guy

[quote]RickJames wrote:
hahahahahahahaha this shit is great. Whoever came up with “The Journey” posts is a fucking genious…I’m laughing my ass off. Check this:

This girl I?ve been seeing, she?s been on my case about taking her out to eat. Dinner and dancing. I haven?t been with her long, but her birthday is coming up and she wants it to be special. I told her I?m dieting, but she won?t back off–she’s tough and I like that. ?Just sit there and watch me eat then,? she says. Now tell me, what the fuck is wrong with that? Am I supposed to just sit there with a grin on my face and my thumb in my ass? Anyway, I try to explain to her what dieting means, put it in terms she?d understand. I ask her why she always goes out with her bag. ?It?s got all my valuables in there.? Well, when I go out, I carry something too?a cooler and what goes in it is valuable to me. That cooler is my lifeline. When I?m out longer than two hours, I take a cooler with me. OK. Now depending on what?s she?s wearing, she?ll take one bag or another. Me? Depending on how long I?m out, I?ll take my small or large cooler."

“My girl is paying the price because of that difference? Her plans, her expectations on this night, her birthday, were swept aside? No dinner, no dancing. In fact, she had to order takeout for dinner. I offered to pay, but she wouldn?t take it. ?Fuck off, you asshole. You were supposed to take me out,? she said. Yeah, this girl?s got some fire? I like that. But all that aside, here she is, gutting it out, staying by my side. True, she?s pissed, but she?s trying to make it work.”

My sides are hurting from laughing at someone this pathetic. And can he not afford a shirt without a hole in it? hahahahaha. Oh that’s right, his only marketable skill is dancing around on stage in a thong for the pleasure of other men. He’s about one sponsorship away from being homeless. Or so they would have you believe.

This narcissist fits somewhere on the “hard core” scale between Richard Simmons and the creepy guy who just confessed to killing the Ramsey kid. There’s a difference between obsession and just not being able to handle anything more than a diet and going to the gym once a day. What a complete joke.[/quote]

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sorry girfriend i can’t go out tonight i have to eat you know i am an animal and hardcore and dedicated i have a competition in a couple of months where i will be parading in a bikini in front of hundreds of gay men who worship me,i dreamed of that my entire life that is my purpouse for living,i am an animal i am hardcore shut the fuck up girlfriend and stay home with me and smell my anabolic farts instead of going out to have a great time.

I am done arguing about this. I dont think Frank or myself for that matter ever said we were superior to anyone else. If keeping and sharing a Journal is screaming it from the rooftops then I stand corrected.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:

I take this very serious unlike some people on this site and when I see people talking shit about someone giving their all to achieve a goal, it strikes a nerve with me. Call it pride, call it respect for a fellow lifter, call it whatever you want. Saying someone is insecure because they are trying to get their max out of their body is absurd to me as well.

But no one said the guy was insecure because he was trying to get the max out of his body. You just made that up on your own. I know plenty of guys trying to get the max out of their body who act the opposite of the Animal Pak guy.

Here is what you said in another thread:

Exactly. And a true hardcore old school lifter does not think he is superior than anyone else just b/c he is bigger. If you got your shit together it will show and there is no need to scream it from the rooftops.

This is precisely what I am saying, no more, no less. If you have your shit together, there is no need to go on and on and on about what kind of a martyr you are.

That is my complaint exactly - when you go on like Frank does in his blog, you aren’t being old-school hardcore, etc. You read?

I think this is whats wrong with this iron game and country and general, too many people are too busy shitting on other people’s achievements and approach to life instead of worrying about their own crap.

Who shit on Frank’s accomplishments? You need to read what is really there and not what you want to be there so you can fire off an emotional rant. You see what you want to see in order to get angry. Use some sense - the criticism is over attitude.[/quote]

Haha, good one.

[quote]EmperialChina wrote:
Maybe some of you guys are not looking far enough, or farther back, here is a post from Capatain Turbo who was the first Animal Pak member who is seemingly at such a high state of mind to muscle ratio that he can no longer put his thoughts into words. This is one of his first, he may not be that big, but he is hardcore to the limit.

Some of you guys who feel the need to make fun of these men’s accomplishments should check this out before speaking.
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[b][u]Captain Turbo

June 23, 1998

Straight outta’ liftin’[/u]

When the dawn breaks, and the sun bursts it’s rays through the past nights horizon, I am awakened from my slumber of reconstruction. I awake to feeling a bit more advanced, I remember my past nights’ dreams of immense weight lifting, and my dreaming grunts of pain, I moaned subconciously, “One more Turbo, one more damn it!”

I am a solider, a solider to this life I like to call survival of the weights. Upon arising from my bed of solitude it’s time to measure the benefits of my superhuman work. Arms are a blasting 13.9" inches, incredible progress something most normies (as we call them, 99.9% of the populus) would never fathom. After my examinations I perform the screams of “ROAR” to give thanks to the Gods, pile down my morning meal shake of 2,500 calories and borrow my biological Mother’s vehicle to transport my body not to merely a gym, but to the Temple, the Temple of 24/hr Fitness.

To me, “Captain Turbo the Ultimate” training time is a sacrifice I give to the Gods; Odin the God of proper nutrtion and calories, he always brings his A-Game and gives my body the fuel of progress and rejuvenation. There is also Halven, The God of intensity and drive
his shouts and borrowing rage of past anger propel me to ungodly levels, try deadlifting 450 pounds, 30 times. Thank you Halven. Then there is God Bresen, the God of self-awareness, who is the ultimate cheerleader in this weight lifting game. The three Gods push me farther, and yet push me farther away from the normies which walk around me…move or be moved!

Most will never know what this life is, it’s a life where you become not only bigger, but you become superior, superior to the daily goings on, and superior to silly fashion style, my weight lifting clothes never leave my side, superior to having to speak to these lowly creatures, a simple head nod and the flexing my killer pectoids moves all oppostion.

So…you want into this game? Do you have what it takes? You need to do a few things. Assume your inner true name, not the one given to you by your normie parents who have brainwashed you into believing you are simply human. Find your inner name. Speak to the barbell, speak to the iron, call for it to speak back. My name was given to me by my workbench, it spoke to me during a killer set of leg extensions. It told me by burning the name into not only my concious by my chest.

You want this? Can you handle this, then shut up and lift, if not then just shut up and move!
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If this guy “meat” isn’t hardcore nobody is.I think it’s “wrath’s” brother
He is an animal he is hardcore.

Atomic Dog
A Heap O’ Inspiration
by TC

My name’s Meat. It used to be Edward Worthington the 3rd, but I changed it to Meat — you know, one of those cool one-word names like my idol, Flex.

You might not know it to look at me, but years ago, I was a loser. I had a wife who worked part-time as a lingerie model, a kid, a big 7-bedroom house in the suburbs, a Jaguar XKE, and a “fulfilling” job organizing relief funds for starving children. Sure, I lifted weights, but I barely got in an hour a day. My body fat was a disgusting 9% and I could barely bench 300 pounds. Go ahead, say it. Loser.

Then one day, while reading Flex magazine and looking over a 15-page tribute to bodybuilder Tommi Thorvildsen’s ass, I realized what a waste my life was and that maybe, just maybe, it wasn’t too late to turn things around.

So I quit my job and devoted my life to the lofty and worthwhile goal of being a stone cold stud with buns, abs, pecs, etc., of steel. I sold my house and got rid of most of my possessions. I even traded in my car for a '72 Oldsmobile and moved into its trunk to save money. It’s not too bad except for when I throw a big dinner party or something and the guests have to sit on the wheel housings.

Anyhow, I started training twice a day for 4 to 6 hours at a time.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not like I turned into some sort of leech on society or earned money by jumping out of cakes at gay birthday parties or anything. Hell, I’ve got my pride. After I quit my loser job, I was lucky enough to get a managerial position with a local restaurateur. Yep, I was in charge of security at the Denny’s on Main Street. You may not think that a place like that needs a bouncer, but let me tell you, when some a-hole starts complaining about how the eggs in their Grand Slam breakfast are a little runny, you want that bastard ushered out the door, and I mean fast before the big trouble starts.

Anyhow, the hours don’t interfere with my lifting, it’s not too stressful, and besides, I think it does our sport good when the public can see us working in positions of responsibility.

Sure, my wife freaked out after all this, left me, and got custody of the kid, but hey, who needs the aggravation? Shit, they were really selfish, anyhow. Take for instance the time I was doing some one-legged calf raises by our old pool. I was really grindin’ ‘em out, feelin’ the burn, when my wife comes out to show me some of the new lingerie she was going to be modeling. If that wasn’t potentially distracting enough, one of her damn 5-inch heels breaks off and she does a header into the pool.

So she starts with the, “Help me, help me, I’m drowning!” crap. I got really pissed.

“Help me, I’m drownnning,” I mimed. “What about me? What about my needs? Do you really think I’m going to build awesome calves if I have to come running every time you have a problem?”

I threw a lawn chair into the pool, figuring she could balance on it with one foot and keep her head above water until I was done. A couple of sets, later, I dragged her out of the pool but after she regained consciousness she got all attitudinal on me. Bitch.

And then there was that Friday night when my 7-year-old daughter calls me on the phone. The name on her birth certificate is Heather, but fuck that, I call her Nicole in honor of Nicole Bass, the most awesome female bodybuilder who ever lived.

I say, “Nicole, honey, what is it?”

She starts pouting something about her real name being Heather, but I ignore the brat. Then she throws out some crap about me maybe taking her out to the park the next day to kick a soccer ball around. Now Saturday’s normally the day I work on my serratus, so I lose it.

“Listen, whore spawn, while you may think that kicking a goddam soccer ball around the park is some big deal, I’ve got more important things to do! I’m not like some other ‘daddy’ that’s got such shitty serratus that her daughter has to cry herself to sleep at night out of shame!”

That’s when the waterworks start. A couple of seconds later her mother gets on the phone and starts screaming something about being insensitive, self-absorbed, yada yada. I don’t need all that catabolic aggravation, so I hang up on them, whip up a liver and whey shake, open up the trunk a bit so the light comes on and chill out by studying “The Education of a Bodybuilder,” the life story of the Oak.

The whole book’s inspiring as hell, but I especially remember the part where Arnold’s dad died. The Oak was training for the Olympia, so he just couldn’t be bothered with attending the funeral. So when my brother called the other day to say that our grandmother was dying and that I should come say good-bye, I instead went to the gym to train my left soleus muscle, which had been lagging a bit.

Besides, I couldn’t help remembering all the times the old hag had tried to undermine my bodybuilding efforts by serving me Sunday meals that were all fucked up glycemically. I mean, c’mon, sweet potatoes? Home made ice cream? Fuckin’ Jell-O with marshmallows floatin’ around in it? Burn in hell, Nana!

Screw ‘em all. To be a champion, you gotta’ dump all the superfluous stuff like family, girlfriends, friends, pets, jobs, sports, television, sunsets, vacations, hobbies, masturbation, dialysis, etc.

Sure, there have been drawbacks along the way. I kind of miss having dates where the girl and I didn’t take turns shaving each other’s backs, and I’ll admit that I probably overdid it a bit with the steroids. I only say that because my penis fell off during a set of rock-bottom squats and I now wear a wine bottle cork where my dick used to be. Pulling it out and hearing the pee slosh out just isn’t the same, but all I gotta’ do to make me forget all that is look in the mirror and check out the crisp separation between my upper pecs and the anterior delts.

Then there was the time I nabbed a crate of orals from Thailand. I filled up a bunch of Pez dispensers with them, and I was probably popping 200 of them a day. I started feeling a little punky, along with my skin turning the exact shade of yellow as Sesame Street’s Big Bird, so I flew out to see a specialist in Zurich, Switzerland.

He didn’t think there was anything he could do, short of “Removing my liver and burying it underneath Yucca Mountain in Nevada for 10,000 years or so until it cooled off,” so I took some milk thistle and decided to mask the color by going to one of those new style tanning places where you stand on an electrically charged plate and they spray you with tanning solution. I was a little wigged out from just having mainlined 2 grams of D-bol, so I mistakenly walked into an Earl Scheib where they bondo’d the crack in my ass and spray painted me metallic green.

I’ve had troubles with my diet, too, like the time I got really serious about my protein intake. I’d been taking in roughly 20,000 grams a day. That’s one gram of protein per ounce of body weight — fuck that one-gram per pound stuff. Then I’d collect my morning feces in a couple of Hefty bags and take them to the post office to be weighed. Hey, if you’re serious about bodybuilding, you want to make sure that your body is assimilating as much protein as it should. Like if my turds weighed more than, say, a Yugo, I’d know that I needed to take some extra digestive enzymes.

Problem was, after weighing it, the clerk mistakenly slapped some postage on it and over-nighted it to Iraq. I heard later that the Iraqi mistook it for some contraband fissionable material and tried to use it to further their nuclear weapons program, but it obviously failed. So, in a way, I sorta’ did my part for world peace, which I’m kinda’ proud of.

And even though I sometimes get a little lonely and cry so much that I wake up with the car mat all soggy, I wouldn’t trade any of it away. I mean, just look at what I’ve accomplished! Just last month I took third place in the Almost Light Heavyweight division (188 to 188 3/4 pounds) of the Mr. Animal Magnetism Championships held in the lunchroom of the Samuel Gompers Elementary School on the West Side of Akron, Ohio. And next month, next month, they’ll be running my picture in the “Up and Coming” section of the Portuguese edition of Flex.

Yep, I’ve got it all. I’ve got a trophy, got my picture published in a magazine, and I even correspond regularly with famous bodybuilders. For example, I got a letter recently from none other than Ox Ferguson, winner of the NPC States That Resemble Penises Championships. Ox offered me, his “special friend,” a “special one-time offer” of a one-on-one phone consultation for the “special unheard of price of 49 dollars.” And you know he doesn’t just do that for anybody. Fuck no.

Reach for your dreams. Don’t let rational thought stand in your way. Ignore the plaintive wailings of friends, family, and psychiatrists. You too can have it all.

— Meat

[quote]TDog305 wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
At first I ignored this, then I decided to go have a look at this site, blog, etc.

What a melodramatic piece of trash. It reads like an insecure teenager’s diary and really, really bad poetry.

And who gives himself a code name of ‘Wrath’ when all he does is lift and stare at himself in a mirror? This is beyond parody.

I admire harcore lifting, training, and living - but the true tough guys don’t have to talk about it like this.

And as far as ‘getting it’, I get it - I just think you actually make yourself look weaker by acting like a narcisstic drama queen about your desire to have big muscles. Lift big, eat big, and be manly enough to be stoic about it.

Really? Because I would put some of the prose from Machine and Wrath in the same category as Dylan Thomas and Hemmingway.

Honestly, its not meant to be a literary masterpiece, it is meant to motivate you. If you are above it, so be it, but countless others find it inspirational.[/quote]

I’m assuming you haven’t actually read Hemingway or Dylan Thomas if you can equate this babble to their writing.

[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Haha, good one.

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Yeah, I say pointing and saying insecurity runs both ways. Some of the guys on this thread have some good points (Sir has a few and others too) and others I think are insecure of these guys who can keep a diet for more than a month and who lift not just for the summer but have a love for it, and a passion, I think seeing someone with such determination can make some people insecure.

ProfX nailed it a while back when he said this…

I think what we are seeing in this thread is a lot of people who don’t “have it” looking down on someone who does in order to make themselves feel better about lacking true passion for something in their lives.

The man has a mission. It is his passion and he lives for it. Perhaps if you find something that you can be that passionate about some of you whiners will finally have a clue what is actually going on.

While it is not my path, I recognize it as a thing of beauty, perhaps because I have poured my life, my soul, into various passions at times… it is one of the treasures of life to find and follow something with such dedication and passion. It is a wonder to watch others chase their own passions.

I feel sorry for the lives some of you have lead when you aren’t able to grasp the issues involved at all.

Holy shit M.B. meat sounds like a demon of a lifter, but Captain Turbo brings the fire everytime, and I mean every time.

How dare that bitch interrupt Meat while he is busting out those calf raises, you know what? She deserved that.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
To label the drive to build more muscle mass than average as “insecurity” is to label any achievement beyond mediocre as the same. Why would someone need to be an Olympic medalist? They aren’t saving the world or curing cancer. Clearly it must be due to INSECURITY. Why would someone need to be the greatest basketball player in the NBA. Clearly Micheal Jordan was just INSECURE. Why am I going to hit the gym tonight and why will I look different next year at this time than I do right now? Because I am INSECURE? Get serious.[/quote]

You are taking things out of context. I was from the start talking about people that did it for appearence. Look at my post. That rules out the people evolved in sports. I think that what drives them is most likely self realization (maybe that is what you’re pointing out for me?).

Changing your appearance because you’re not satisfied with yourself is what I think has basis in an insecurity.

As I said in the post you quoted I am not arguing your drive or opinion, so why do you have to bring your motivation up and put words in my mouth? It’s beating a dead horse.

[quote]vroom wrote:
ProfX nailed it a while back when he said this…

It is about priorities and one man’s passion shouldn’t be looked down upon simply because it exists in his life and not in your own.

I think what we are seeing in this thread is a lot of people who don’t “have it” looking down on someone who does in order to make themselves feel better about lacking true passion for something in their lives.

The man has a mission. It is his passion and he lives for it. Perhaps if you find something that you can be that passionate about some of you whiners will finally have a clue what is actually going on.

While it is not my path, I recognize it as a thing of beauty, perhaps because I have poured my life, my soul, into various passions at times… it is one of the treasures of life to find and follow something with such dedication and passion. It is a wonder to watch others chase their own passions.

I feel sorry for the lives some of you have lead when you aren’t able to grasp the issues involved at all.[/quote]

You are such a weenie it is laughable. So is ANY passion okay? Can I take it to ANY extent and be okay? Boo fucking hoo, this dude has to eat chicken and go to the gym. Don’t we fucking all? He acts like he is some sort of damn soldier…newsflash, no one is shooting at him, and he’s doing this of his own volition. It is what he WANTS, so sitting there bitching and moaning with his faux superiority is fucking weak.

I lifted with a guy who sold his business, his house, and everything he owned besides his bulldog and his equipment to pursue his dream. He moved into what was essentially a shack to be able to live at his gym to pursue his goal. This man gave up his whole fucking life for his sport and would NEVER whine on to no end like the douche in these ads. Hard core? Please. This shit is just fucking silly.

With all the important shit going on in the world, taking something so trivial as this practice in narcissism we call bodybuilding so fucking seriously means you are quite out of touch with reality. If that is not clear, then I have to question your grasp on reality as well. It is a marketing scheme for christsake. Damn.

[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
My only point is that it doesnt take a real badass to call someone a lot bigger than you a queen over the internet.

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I agree that a lot of the posts on here are ridiculous internet badassery, but at least with this, any post is over the internet. If you’re allowed to say good things about the guy on an internet forum, you shouldn’t jump on someone else for criticizing him as an internet badass.

He’s a big dude, and I’m not on the big dudes are insecure bandwagon here, but the guy is a little melodramatic. If it gets you pumped, cool, but everyone who doesn’t agree isn’t weak or not committed.

[quote]TDog305 wrote:

The more drivel that comes out of your mouth, the more I see you as a pompous, arrogant, prick - exactly what you are accusing Wrath of.[/quote]

Well, you can see me as whatever you want - but at no point have I championed myself or bragged about anything I have done. Difficult to make the assessment that somehow I am arrogant when I have said absolutely nothing about myself and even admitted that Frank’s physical results and dedication were impressive.

What is pompous? Making an argument you don’t agree with? You’ll have to do better than that.

Just because some guy on a website blathers his nonsense doesn’t mean he is automatically entitled to my worshipping him. The original poster - the starter of this thread - wanted to know if anyone else thought Frank ‘was off his rocker’. I agreed with the original poster, so I chimed in.

Presumably, this is T-Nation, where so-called independent thinkers don’t swallow orthodoxy like brainless cattle. I dissented from the popular version of kneeling in praise before the Animal Pak guy - and it is like I insulted someone’s mother around here. Odd.

[quote]ExNole wrote:

I agree that a lot of the posts on here are ridiculous internet badassery, but at least with this, any post is over the internet. If you’re allowed to say good things about the guy on an internet forum, you shouldn’t jump on someone else for criticizing him as an internet badass. [/quote]

Yup.

Nor am I - let me be clear in that I don’t think that getting big is driven by insecurity as a rule. I admire the passion to challenge oneself to become something more than they currently are. My criticism has nothing to do with drive, passion, or commitment. All of those things are independent of acting like a self-obsessed martyr.

[quote]RickJames wrote:
You are such a weenie it is laughable. So is ANY passion okay? Can I take it to ANY extent and be okay? Boo fucking hoo, this dude has to eat chicken and go to the gym. Don’t we fucking all? He acts like he is some sort of damn soldier…newsflash, no one is shooting at him, and he’s doing this of his own volition. It is what he WANTS, so sitting there bitching and moaning with his faux superiority is fucking weak. [/quote]

I didn’t realize I’d insulted you. Are you one of those people who lives a humdrum life where all your choices are now made for you?

It’s a harmless passion… generally I see no reason to place my values on the choices of what other people choose to feel passionate about, unlike yourself.

So, your problem is that he is trying to outline the things that he find challenging in his life?

So, you think the only passions we can have are those that involve saving the world? What about people who’s passion is their career?

Again, you are too busy deciding what other people should be interested in, what they should care about, to look into the issues involved.

Of course it is marketing… but that doesn’t mean the guy isn’t chasing his dreams, does it? We all get to choose what is important in our lives… you don’t have to agree with the choice.

That you’d rather people not have a passion, or not mention issues that they find are obstacles, simply points to your own issues.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Presumably, this is T-Nation, where so-called independent thinkers don’t swallow orthodoxy like brainless cattle.[/quote]

Independent thinking is not the same thing as belittling the efforts of others.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
ExNole wrote:

I agree that a lot of the posts on here are ridiculous internet badassery, but at least with this, any post is over the internet. If you’re allowed to say good things about the guy on an internet forum, you shouldn’t jump on someone else for criticizing him as an internet badass.

Yup.

He’s a big dude, and I’m not on the big dudes are insecure bandwagon here, but the guy is a little melodramatic. If it gets you pumped, cool, but everyone who doesn’t agree isn’t weak or not committed.

Nor am I - let me be clear in that I don’t think that getting big is driven by insecurity as a rule. I admire the passion to challenge oneself to become something more than they currently are. My criticism has nothing to do with drive, passion, or commitment. All of those things are independent of acting like a self-obsessed martyr.[/quote]

I understand, that part wasn’t directed at you. There was at least one guy who did say that explicitly a couple posts back though.

I think the guy is lame like I said before, but it doesn’t really bother me. I hadn’t heard of him before this thread and won’t search him out after.

[quote]vroom wrote:

Independent thinking is not the same thing as belittling the efforts of others.[/quote]

Whose efforts did I belittle?

Who’s efforts does the following apply to?

[quote]SirPhisticated wrote:
You are taking things out of context.[/quote]

No, I have put things IN context.

[quote]
I was from the start talking about people that did it for appearence. Look at my post. That rules out the people evolved in sports. I think that what drives them is most likely self realization (maybe that is what you’re pointing out for me?).[/quote]

How do you seperate the two? Neither are efforts that greatly change the world. No one is saving lives by being an NFL athlete. No one is curing AIDs by dunking a basketball. Yet, because it is about changing the shape of your body, the rules suddenly change? How convenient.

[quote]
Changing your appearance because you’re not satisfied with yourself is what I think has basis in an insecurity.[/quote]

What you fail to realize is the same could be said of anyone who has pushed to achieve something well beyond average. You could say the same of the guy who worked hard for years to make 200grand a year and gets the biggest house on the block. Is he INSECURE? Only someone wishing to put down that effort would label something that flatly when it took so much effort. Just because this is about “appearance” means nothing. Some people could say getting several degrees just so you can have the letters behind your name is all about appearance. How is it you can’t understand this?

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As I said in the post you quoted I am not arguing your drive or opinion, so why do you have to bring your motivation up and put words in my mouth? It’s beating a dead horse.[/quote]

My motivation relates directly to this. You would see that if you opened your eyes.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Who’s efforts does the following apply to?[/quote]

I most definitely criticized - and belittled - his attitude and his writing.

What we were discussing was belittling his desire to lift weights and get big - which I did not do. When you said ‘efforts’, I understood that to be effort in the gym, which we were discussing.