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This thread has been infiltrated and officially gone to shit. Nominal prospect, Napoleon and SirPhisticated have all thaught us a lesson here. I know realize that it was insecurity and a need for friends that led me to gain 80 some pounds of muscle mass. WTF was I thinking? Dumb asses.

Look, I think it is one thing if you dont agree with the guy’s training philosophies etc. but you dont have to read his journal. To call him a queen though is quite sad. You guys talk about tough guys dont have to act tough and act like they are big etc. and I agree with that 100%.

So what the fuck does that make you shmucks calling someone names from behind a keyboard. True internet warriors. I guess I was raised differently than you boys. Dont say anything about someone you are not willing to say to his face.

[quote]SirPhisticated wrote:
When talking about the whole tough guy or hardcore issue, I think it is important to realize that the whole basis for the physical self improvement (unless you’re actually training for practical use or health concerns), whether you’re trying to get leaner or build more muscle, evolves around insecurity.

The guy who adds 50 lbs of muscle because he didn’t like his skinny self had an insecurity about himself. That guy often continues to have that and projects it on to other skinny guys.

Same goes for the former fat guy who can’t stand to see other fat guys. He may be more disgusted by the fact, that those people reminds him of what he used to be and what he could become again.

Often I find that the motivational articles looks more like the author is really trying to justify and convince himself of his life style rather than the reader. Other times it looks like it’s an attempt to get a pad on the back from like minded people.

Either way I think it’s important to look at what it REALLY is that drives you and keep your ego in check. Much of the attitude should most likely be directed against one self.

Searching for a brotherhood or “fraternity” in this life style might show that insecurity of standing alone and the need for support. Look at the large amount of threads on this board where people either group up and look down upon different people or pad each others back, to feel like minded and bonded together. Nothing wrong with it but I think it’s important to notice.

I might be wrong here. Please, let me know what your opinion is.

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I admire these huge freakin monsters for their dedication to achieve their goals but I dont want to look like them or go though the shit they endure.

In the same way I admire ultra marathon runners for their dedication but I definitely dont want to look like them either or go though the shit that they endure!

What I dont understand is the melodramatic wounded-soldier mentality exhibited by some of the muscle-men!

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
This thread has been infiltrated and officially gone to shit. Nominal prospect, Napoleon and SirPhisticated have all thaught us a lesson here. I know realize that it was insecurity and a need for friends that led me to gain 80 some pounds of muscle mass. WTF was I thinking? Dumb asses.

Look, I think it is one thing if you dont agree with the guy’s training philosophies etc. but you dont have to read his journal. To call him a queen though is quite sad. You guys talk about tough guys dont have to act tough and act like they are big etc. and I agree with that 100%.

So what the fuck does that make you shmucks calling someone names from behind a keyboard. True internet warriors. I guess I was raised differently than you boys. Dont say anything about someone you are not willing to say to his face.

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I agree with this 100%.

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Whether you agree with it or not is one thing but you would not understand it regardless b/c you have never been in that position.

[quote]Ashes wrote:
I admire these huge freakin monsters for their dedication to achieve their goals but I dont want to look like them or go though the shit they endure.

In the same way I admire ultra marathon runners for their dedication but I definitely dont want to look like them either or go though the shit that they endure!

What I dont understand is the melodramatic wounded-soldier mentality exhibited by some of the muscle-men! [/quote]

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
This thread has been infiltrated and officially gone to shit. Nominal prospect, Napoleon and SirPhisticated have all thaught us a lesson here. I know realize that it was insecurity and a need for friends that led me to gain 80 some pounds of muscle mass. WTF was I thinking? Dumb asses.

Look, I think it is one thing if you dont agree with the guy’s training philosophies etc. but you dont have to read his journal. To call him a queen though is quite sad. You guys talk about tough guys dont have to act tough and act like they are big etc. and I agree with that 100%.

So what the fuck does that make you shmucks calling someone names from behind a keyboard. True internet warriors. I guess I was raised differently than you boys. Dont say anything about someone you are not willing to say to his face.
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Stop the whole you guys thing. I am only responsible for what I have written and I haven’t called any names or shown any disrespect. Unless you think questioning a post or journal is disrespectful. You however are calling me a schmuck and an internet warrior.

And you’re right I wouldn’t say this to your face because based on your reaction you would be the kind of guy who would feel the need to start a fight instead of using your brain and mouth.

You do seem to take a public discussion very emotional considering you’re a self declared hardcore man.

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
This thread has been infiltrated and officially gone to shit. Nominal prospect, Napoleon and SirPhisticated have all thaught us a lesson here. I know realize that it was insecurity and a need for friends that led me to gain 80 some pounds of muscle mass. WTF was I thinking? Dumb asses. [/quote]

How can this thread be ‘infiltrated’ when the original poster asked if anyone else agreed that the guy was off his rocker?

No, we don’t have to read it. And I don’t read it. But the poster directed us to it for comments, so I read it and commented. If that is too much for you, find another hobby.

Someone asked in the original post what other people thought of this stuff - I plainly explained what I thought.

I don’t think much of the guy’s approach - and were he sitting in the room with me, I’d tell him. It’s not like I am just name-calling here - I am substantively criticizing. You won’t - or can’t - see the difference. That is your problem, not mine.

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You got me, I am an emotional person, what the fuck can I tell you.

I take this very serious unlike some people on this site and when I see people talking shit about someone giving their all to achieve a goal, it strikes a nerve with me. Call it pride, call it respect for a fellow lifter, call it whatever you want. Saying someone is insecure because they are trying to get their max out of their body is absurd to me as well.

I think this is whats wrong with this iron game and country and general, too many people are too busy shitting on other people’s achievements and approach to life instead of worrying about their own crap. And you are right most people would not talk to me like that to my face or to Frank’s for that matter. I rather have someone come up to me and call me completely full of shit than talk about me behind my back. At least you can look me in my eyes and show some fucking respect.

[quote]SirPhisticated wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
This thread has been infiltrated and officially gone to shit. Nominal prospect, Napoleon and SirPhisticated have all thaught us a lesson here. I know realize that it was insecurity and a need for friends that led me to gain 80 some pounds of muscle mass. WTF was I thinking? Dumb asses.

Look, I think it is one thing if you dont agree with the guy’s training philosophies etc. but you dont have to read his journal. To call him a queen though is quite sad. You guys talk about tough guys dont have to act tough and act like they are big etc. and I agree with that 100%.

So what the fuck does that make you shmucks calling someone names from behind a keyboard. True internet warriors. I guess I was raised differently than you boys. Dont say anything about someone you are not willing to say to his face.

Stop the whole you guys thing. I am only responsible for what I have written and I haven’t called any names or shown any disrespect. Unless you think questioning a post or journal is disrespectful. You however are calling me a schmuck and an internet warrior.

And you’re right I wouldn’t say this to your face because based on your reaction you would be the kind of guy who would feel the need to start a fight instead of using your brain and mouth.

You do seem to take a public discussion very emotional considering you’re a self declared hardcore man.[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I think “insecurity” is the wrong word. I didn’t continue to get bigger due to insecurity. I may have initially entered a weight room in high school because I felt skinny or wanted to impress the girls, but that isn’t what drove me for the next decade. Whatever may have initially pulled you into the gym, the desire to see just how far you can go is what will keep you there.

No one does this shit to an extreme just because they feel insecure. They would never pull the strength from that to push that hard.[/quote]

I think the basis for the motivation starts with an insecurity though.
At some point the main drive could evolve into something else, but for some people I don’t think it does.
There’s a lot guys that have evolved a lot, but are still fragile about what they started out with.
I think the problem is when people don’t realize what their drive is, because if they don’t focus on it, it might not change.

I am not trying to argue your opinion or your drive. Just elaborating on my opinion. I respect your post because it was serious, civil and seemed thought through.

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:

I take this very serious unlike some people on this site and when I see people talking shit about someone giving their all to achieve a goal, it strikes a nerve with me. Call it pride, call it respect for a fellow lifter, call it whatever you want. Saying someone is insecure because they are trying to get their max out of their body is absurd to me as well. [/quote]

But no one said the guy was insecure because he was trying to get the max out of his body. You just made that up on your own. I know plenty of guys trying to get the max out of their body who act the opposite of the Animal Pak guy.

Here is what you said in another thread:

Exactly. And a true hardcore old school lifter does not think he is superior than anyone else just b/c he is bigger. If you got your shit together it will show and there is no need to scream it from the rooftops.

This is precisely what I am saying, no more, no less. If you have your shit together, there is no need to go on and on and on about what kind of a martyr you are.

That is my complaint exactly - when you go on like Frank does in his blog, you aren’t being old-school hardcore, etc. You read?

Who shit on Frank’s accomplishments? You need to read what is really there and not what you want to be there so you can fire off an emotional rant. You see what you want to see in order to get angry. Use some sense - the criticism is over attitude.

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Now that would be some funny shit to see. I think you are full of shit but entertain me…

So you are telling me you would sit in a room with Frank and call his journal a “melodramatic piece of trash. It reads like an insecure teenager’s diary and really, really bad poetry.”

And tell him he is “acting like a narcisstic drama queen”

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

I don’t think much of the guy’s approach - and were he sitting in the room with me, I’d tell him. It’s not like I am just name-calling here - I am substantively criticizing. You won’t - or can’t - see the difference. That is your problem, not mine.[/quote]

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
You got me, I am an emotional person, what the fuck can I tell you.

I take this very serious unlike some people on this site and when I see people talking shit about someone giving their all to achieve a goal, it strikes a nerve with me. Call it pride, call it respect for a fellow lifter, call it whatever you want. Saying someone is insecure because they are trying to get their max out of their body is absurd to me as well.

I think this is whats wrong with this iron game and country and general, too many people are too busy shitting on other people’s achievements and approach to life instead of worrying about their own crap. And you are right most people would not talk to me like that to my face or to Frank’s for that matter. I rather have someone come up to me and call me completely full of shit than talk about me behind my back. At least you can look me in my eyes and show some fucking respect.
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You are on this thread and can speak up as much as you want. I’m not going behind your back. You however are commenting on this in your Brotherhood thread and quoting me. It’s all good but it seems to contradict your point. And yes, I wont post on your thread.

I still can’t see where I have been disrespectful since I’m commenting on a public thread that contains parts of a public journal. But I guess you still wont bother to tell me.

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[quote]SirPhisticated wrote:
Professor X wrote:

I think “insecurity” is the wrong word. I didn’t continue to get bigger due to insecurity. I may have initially entered a weight room in high school because I felt skinny or wanted to impress the girls, but that isn’t what drove me for the next decade. Whatever may have initially pulled you into the gym, the desire to see just how far you can go is what will keep you there.

No one does this shit to an extreme just because they feel insecure. They would never pull the strength from that to push that hard.

I think the basis for the motivation starts with an insecurity though.
At some point the main drive could evolve into something else, but for some people I don’t think it does.
There’s a lot guys that have evolved a lot, but are still fragile about what they started out with.
I think the problem is when people don’t realize what their drive is, because if they don’t focus on it, it might not change.

I am not trying to argue your opinion or your drive. Just elaborating on my opinion. I respect your post because it was serious, civil and seemed thought through.

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To label the drive to build more muscle mass than average as “insecurity” is to label any achievement beyond mediocre as the same. Why would someone need to be an Olympic medalist? They aren’t saving the world or curing cancer. Clearly it must be due to INSECURITY. Why would someone need to be the greatest basketball player in the NBA. Clearly Micheal Jordan was just INSECURE. Why am I going to hit the gym tonight and why will I look different next year at this time than I do right now? Because I am INSECURE? Get serious.

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hahahahahahahaha this shit is great. Whoever came up with “The Journey” posts is a fucking genious…I’m laughing my ass off. Check this:

My sides are hurting from laughing at someone this pathetic. And can he not afford a shirt without a hole in it? hahahahaha. Oh that’s right, his only marketable skill is dancing around on stage in a thong for the pleasure of other men. He’s about one sponsorship away from being homeless. Or so they would have you believe.

This narcissist fits somewhere on the “hard core” scale between Richard Simmons and the creepy guy who just confessed to killing the Ramsey kid. There’s a difference between obsession and just not being able to handle anything more than a diet and going to the gym once a day. What a complete joke.

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Now that would be some funny shit to see. I think you are full of shit but entertain me…

So you are telling me you would sit in a room with Frank and call his journal a “melodramatic piece of trash. It reads like an insecure teenager’s diary and really, really bad poetry.”

And tell him he is “acting like a narcisstic drama queen”[/quote]

Why wouldn’t I? I mean, if he is half the man you seem to worship him as, what is wrong with some criticism? Surely he could handle it?

Or would he be the painfully insecure person that would lash out against anyone who dares offer the slightest remark outside of mindless hero-worship?

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Now that would be some funny shit to see. I think you are full of shit but entertain me…

So you are telling me you would sit in a room with Frank and call his journal a “melodramatic piece of trash. It reads like an insecure teenager’s diary and really, really bad poetry.”

And tell him he is “acting like a narcisstic drama queen”

thunderbolt23 wrote:

I don’t think much of the guy’s approach - and were he sitting in the room with me, I’d tell him. It’s not like I am just name-calling here - I am substantively criticizing. You won’t - or can’t - see the difference. That is your problem, not mine.

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Anybody that would actually start a fight (that is the implication, no?) over being criticized that little is an overly sensitive pussy, no matter how big he is.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Why wouldn’t I? I mean, if he is half the man you seem to worship him as, what is wrong with some criticism? Surely he could handle it?

Or would he be the painfully insecure person that would lash out against anyone who dares offer the slightest remark outside of mindless hero-worship?[/quote]

The more drivel that comes out of your mouth, the more I see you as a pompous, arrogant, prick - exactly what you are accusing Wrath of.

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[quote]tora no’ shi wrote:
on a side note the bodybuilder on most of the ads, Frank McGrath, is supossed to leave the IFBB for the PDI later this year…[/quote]

There’s no way this dude could fuck on that bed! He’s break it & her right into the ground. Cool pic though.

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Maybe some of you guys are not looking far enough, or farther back, here is a post from Capatain Turbo who was the first Animal Pak member who is seemingly at such a high state of mind to muscle ratio that he can no longer put his thoughts into words. This is one of his first, he may not be that big, but he is hardcore to the limit.

Some of you guys who feel the need to make fun of these men’s accomplishments should check this out before speaking.
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[b][u]Captain Turbo

June 23, 1998

Straight outta’ liftin’[/u]

When the dawn breaks, and the sun bursts it’s rays through the past nights horizon, I am awakened from my slumber of reconstruction. I awake to feeling a bit more advanced, I remember my past nights’ dreams of immense weight lifting, and my dreaming grunts of pain, I moaned subconciously, “One more Turbo, one more damn it!”

I am a solider, a solider to this life I like to call survival of the weights. Upon arising from my bed of solitude it’s time to measure the benefits of my superhuman work. Arms are a blasting 13.9" inches, incredible progress something most normies (as we call them, 99.9% of the populus) would never fathom. After my examinations I perform the screams of “ROAR” to give thanks to the Gods, pile down my morning meal shake of 2,500 calories and borrow my biological Mother’s vehicle to transport my body not to merely a gym, but to the Temple, the Temple of 24/hr Fitness.

To me, “Captain Turbo the Ultimate” training time is a sacrifice I give to the Gods; Odin the God of proper nutrtion and calories, he always brings his A-Game and gives my body the fuel of progress and rejuvenation. There is also Halven, The God of intensity and drive
his shouts and borrowing rage of past anger propel me to ungodly levels, try deadlifting 450 pounds, 30 times. Thank you Halven. Then there is God Bresen, the God of self-awareness, who is the ultimate cheerleader in this weight lifting game. The three Gods push me farther, and yet push me farther away from the normies which walk around me…move or be moved!

Most will never know what this life is, it’s a life where you become not only bigger, but you become superior, superior to the daily goings on, and superior to silly fashion style, my weight lifting clothes never leave my side, superior to having to speak to these lowly creatures, a simple head nod and the flexing my killer pectoids moves all oppostion.

So…you want into this game? Do you have what it takes? You need to do a few things. Assume your inner true name, not the one given to you by your normie parents who have brainwashed you into believing you are simply human. Find your inner name. Speak to the barbell, speak to the iron, call for it to speak back. My name was given to me by my workbench, it spoke to me during a killer set of leg extensions. It told me by burning the name into not only my concious by my chest.

You want this? Can you handle this, then shut up and lift, if not then just shut up and move!
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My only point is that it doesnt take a real badass to call someone a lot bigger than you a queen over the internet.

[quote]ExNole wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Now that would be some funny shit to see. I think you are full of shit but entertain me…

So you are telling me you would sit in a room with Frank and call his journal a “melodramatic piece of trash. It reads like an insecure teenager’s diary and really, really bad poetry.”

And tell him he is “acting like a narcisstic drama queen”

thunderbolt23 wrote:

I don’t think much of the guy’s approach - and were he sitting in the room with me, I’d tell him. It’s not like I am just name-calling here - I am substantively criticizing. You won’t - or can’t - see the difference. That is your problem, not mine.

Anybody that would actually start a fight (that is the implication, no?) over being criticized that little is an overly sensitive pussy, no matter how big he is. [/quote]

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Exactly.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
SirPhisticated wrote:
Professor X wrote:

I think “insecurity” is the wrong word. I didn’t continue to get bigger due to insecurity. I may have initially entered a weight room in high school because I felt skinny or wanted to impress the girls, but that isn’t what drove me for the next decade. Whatever may have initially pulled you into the gym, the desire to see just how far you can go is what will keep you there.

No one does this shit to an extreme just because they feel insecure. They would never pull the strength from that to push that hard.

I think the basis for the motivation starts with an insecurity though.
At some point the main drive could evolve into something else, but for some people I don’t think it does.
There’s a lot guys that have evolved a lot, but are still fragile about what they started out with.
I think the problem is when people don’t realize what their drive is, because if they don’t focus on it, it might not change.

I am not trying to argue your opinion or your drive. Just elaborating on my opinion. I respect your post because it was serious, civil and seemed thought through.

To label the drive to build more muscle mass than average as “insecurity” is to label any achievement beyond mediocre as the same. Why would someone need to be an Olympic medalist? They aren’t saving the world or curing cancer. Clearly it must be due to INSECURITY. Why would someone need to be the greatest basketball player in the NBA. Clearly Micheal Jordan was just INSECURE. Why am I going to hit the gym tonight and why will I look different next year at this time than I do right now? Because I am INSECURE? Get serious.[/quote]