This cracked me up.
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You wouldnât call a king a president.
Thatâs a poor comparison.
Julius Ceasar was a high-ranking general in a lot of debt when he conquered Gaul. He commanded multiple legions, each with their own general (Legatus) commanding them. Thereâs nothing misleading or incorrect about calling him a âgeneralâ. His level of command during the Gallic Conquests would be equivalent to modern three or four star generals.
Whatâs misleading is suggesting that he wasnât a general or that the Roman Republic didnât have a rank structure in their armies that featured commanders we now call âgeneralsâ.
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Maximus Decimus Meridius approves.
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Exactly. The path to king is different from the path to president.
Note exactly. Caesar held a political office, not simply a military rank.
Meridius.
Dwight Eisenhower was the military governor of American-occupied Germany.
As a general.
David Patraeus performed many political functions while in command.
As a general.
Whatever subject you teach, I hope it isnât history.
Is there an echo in here?
Shallow
and Pedantic
Was he elected?
Was he elected?
I could teach it as I am very knowledgeable on the subject, far more than you could ever be but you already knew that. Itâs sad how I mentioned something as simply being trivia and you felt the need to try and outdo the college educated dude with a library card. Have I hurt you that bad?
Itâs a Romance language joke.
Well, yeah. But itâs nothing to cry about.
Gaius Iulius Gaii filius Gaii nepos Caesar Imperator, ab anno 42 a.C.n.Divus Iulius (natus Romae ex stirpe patricia die 13 Iulii 100 a.C.n.; ibidem mortuus 15 Martii 44 a.C.n.), fuit vir publicus, consul, dux exercitus, dictator in perpetuum,[1] orator, poeta, insignis scriptor prosae Latinae. Partes maximi momenti egit in casibus, quibus Res Publica Romana in Imperium Romanum transmutata est. Triumviratu cum Crasso et Pompeio, praestantissimis civibus, constituto ab anno 60 a.C.n. per aliquot annos apud Romanos plurimum valuit, quamvis ei potestatem per rationespopulares accumulanti senatores, qui optimatibus favebant, videlicet Cato Minor, Cicero, et alii, opponebant. Victa Gallia in dictionemque populi Romani redacta, Caesar imperium Romanum ad Oceanum Britannicum et Rhenum extendit, et ipse primus dux Romanus hoc ponte exstructo, illum navibus transgressus est. Ipse pater anni intercalaris Iulianum fecit Calendarium
Gaio Giulio Cesare (in latino: Gaius Iulius Caesar , Pronuncia restaurata o classica; AFI: [ËÉĄĂ€ËjÊs ËjuË.li.Ês ËkÉÌŻÉÌŻ.sĂ€:r];[N 2][3] nelle epigrafi C·IVLIVS·C·F·CAESAR e DIVVS IVLIVS;[4] in greco antico: ÎÎŹÏÎżÏ áŒžÎżÏλÎčÎżÏ ÎαáżÏαÏ?, GĂĄĂŻos IĂșlios KaĂźsar ; Roma, 13 luglio 101 a.C.[1] o 12 luglio 100 a.C.[2] â Roma, 15 marzo 44 a.C.) Ăš stato un militare, politico, console, dittatore, pontefice massimo, oratore e scrittore romano, considerato uno dei personaggi piĂč importanti e influenti della storia.[5]
Tras su año consular, CĂ©sar recibiĂł poderes proconsulares para gobernar las provincias de la Galia Transalpina (actualmente el sur de Francia) e Iliria (la costa de Dalmacia) durante cinco años, gracias al apoyo de los otros dos miembros del triunvirato, que cumplieron con la palabra dada. A estas dos provincias se añadiĂł la Galia Cisalpina tras la muerte inesperada de su gobernador, Quinto Cecilio Metelo CĂ©ler. Eran unas provincias muy buenas para alguien que, como CĂ©sar, y siguiendo la tĂpica mentalidad del procĂłnsul romano, no tenĂa intenciones de gobernar pacĂficamente, pues estaba necesitado de bienes para pagar las fabulosas sumas que adeudaba.66â
La oportunidad se le presentĂł mediante una teĂłrica amenaza de los helvecios, que pensaban emigrar al oeste de las Galias. Decidido a impedirlo y con la excusa polĂtica de que se acercarĂan demasiado a la provincia de la Galia Cisalpina âlos helvecios querĂan instalarse en pago SantĂłn, al norte de la Aquitaniaâ reclutĂł tropas e iniciĂł las operaciones bĂ©licas que, a la postre, darĂan lugar a lo que mĂĄs tarde se denominĂł guerra de las Galias(58-49 a. C.),67â en la que conquistĂł la llamada Galia Comata o Galia melenuda (actualmente Francia, PaĂses Bajos, Suiza y partes de BĂ©lgica y Alemania), en varias campañas. CĂ©sar hizo una demostraciĂłn de fuerza construyendo por dos veces un puente sobre el Rin e invadiendo en dos ocasiones Germania sin intenciĂłn de conquistarla, e hizo otro alarde de fortaleza cruzando el canal de la Mancha tambiĂ©n por dos veces hacia las islas BritĂĄnicas, si bien es cierto que estas dos incursiones tenĂan un sentido mĂĄs estratĂ©gico que colonial.68â
Entre sus legados (comandantes de legiĂłn) se contaban Lucio Julio CĂ©sar, Marco Antonio, Marco Licinio Craso, hijo de su compañero de triunvirato, Tito Labieno, cliente de Pompeyo, y Quinto Tulio CicerĂłn, el hermano mĂĄs joven de Marco Tulio CicerĂłn, todos hombres que habrĂan de ser personajes importantes en los años siguientes
CĂ©sar profite de sa popularitĂ© pour prĂ©parer lâĂ©tape suivante de sa carriĂšre : normalement, le SĂ©nat prolonge le mandat dâun consul par le proconsulat dâune province pour un an. CĂ©sar contourne cette rĂšgle avec lâaide du tribun de la plĂšbe Publius Vatinius : celui-ci fait voter par le peuple un plĂ©biscite qui confie Ă CĂ©sar et pour cinq ans deux provinces, la Gaule cisalpine et lâIllyrie, avec le commandement de trois lĂ©gions (lex Vatinia ). Pour sauver une apparence dâautoritĂ©, le SĂ©nat lui accorde en plus la Gaule transalpine et une quatriĂšme lĂ©gionA 36.
Homme politique averti, CĂ©sar peut attaquer CicĂ©ron de façon frontale. Ce dernier, privĂ© de ses biens, choisit de sâexiler. CĂ©sar nâa alors plus dâennemis notables Ă Rome17.
DĂšs la fin de son consulat, CĂ©sar gagne rapidement la Gaule, tandis que le prĂ©teur Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus et le tribun de la plĂšbe Antistius le citent en justice pour rĂ©pondre Ă lâaccusation dâillĂ©galitĂ©s commises pendant son mandat. En fin juriste, CĂ©sar fait objecter par les autres tribuns quâil ne peut ĂȘtre citĂ© en application de la loi MemmiaN 8, qui interdit toute poursuite contre un citoyen absent de Rome pour le service de la RĂ©publique. Pour Ă©viter toute autre mise en cause devant la justice, CĂ©sar sâappliqua durant son proconsulat Ă demeurer dans ses provinces. Il passe ainsi chaque hiver en Gaule cisalpine, oĂč il reçoit partisans, clients et solliciteurs et sâassure chaque annĂ©e dâavoir parmi les Ă©lus Ă Rome des magistrats qui lui soient favorablesA 37. La gestion de ses affaires Ă Rome mĂȘme est confiĂ©e Ă son secrĂ©taire Lucius Cornelius Balbus, un chevalier dâorigine espagnole, avec qui il Ă©change par prĂ©caution des courriers chiffrĂ©sA 38.
DĂšs le dĂ©but de son proconsulat, CĂ©sar engage la conquĂȘte de la Gaule en usant du prĂ©texte de la migration des HelvĂštes en mars 58 av. J.-C. ; menaçant selon lui les alliĂ©s de Rome, tels les Ăduens, un tel dĂ©placement de population associĂ© Ă lâĂ©lection dâun roi chez les HelvĂštes apparaĂźt aux yeux du politicien comme une bonne raison de dĂ©clencher les hostilitĂ©s sous couvert de remise en ordre de la rĂ©gion. Cette expĂ©dition militaire est donc motivĂ©e par ses ambitions politiques, mais aussi par des intĂ©rĂȘts Ă©conomiques qui associent les Romains Ă certaines nations gauloises clientes de Rome (Ăduens, Arvernes, etc.).
Tout en menant ses campagnes, CĂ©sar maintient ses relations avec la classe politique romaine : Quintus Tullius Cicero, frĂšre de lâorateur Marcus Tullius Cicero, dit CicĂ©ron, commande ainsi une lĂ©gion en BelgiqueA 39 ; Publius et Marcus, les fils de Crassus, interviennent en Belgique puis en AquitaineA 40 ; Lucius Munatius PlancusA 41 et Marc Antoine seront Ă AlĂ©siaA 42.
Quintus Tullius Cicero est un homme politique, militaire et auteur romain, frĂšre cadet du cĂ©lĂšbre orateur CicĂ©ron. Il naĂźt en 102 av. J.-C. Ă Arpinum, une ville proche de Rome. AprĂšs une carriĂšre politique classique, passant par le cursus honorum jusquâĂ la charge de prĂ©teur, il est proprĂ©teur en Asie puis participe Ă la Guerre des Gaules en tant que lĂ©gat de lĂ©gion servant sous Jules CĂ©sar.
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This is a weird and pointless argument.
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I think if I, an almost-college educated dude (Iâll graduate in May), brought up the fact that I had been to college and had a library card, you would probably tell me that those things alone do not guarantee that someone is actually intelligent or knows anything about anything.
But since Iâm going to be a college educated guy (with a degree in history!) and I have a library card, will you please tell me Iâm smart? Itâd mean a lot.
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Itâs what happens when someone canât let go of a grudge. Ancient Roman military commanders did not have the title of general as that term was not in use at the time. Also, the path to becoming a âgeneralâ was different and the duties and powers were also different. I was only pointing out how silly Tate is because he thinks he would have been on the level of Caesar or Marius. It was just some trivia but twojar just canât help being gay and getting triggered by it.
An eloquent, wise response from such an educated individual.
No, in fact Iâll say the opposite as you lack reading comprehension. I was speaking from twojarâs point of view; how he sees me. I wouldnât call myself a dude and I have more than one library card. People come out of college as smart, or as stupid, as they were when they went in.
Itâs not a choice you know.
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