Cocaine very bad for heart
MaY I SuGgEsT hErOiN?
2 Likes
Thatās what I thought until I tried LSD. Iāll tell you what brother, thatās the good shit.
2 Likes
I really like the twist this thread has taken.
You wanna hear a funny one? Youāre going to anyways!
When I was in my early 20ās I bottomed out from alcohol & coke, then swore them off for ever and ever.
Then my buddy asked me if I wanted some heroin one day. I was like āSure. I never had a problem with that.ā.
Then proceeded to develop a problem with that.
So I cleaned up again and swore off the dope. Never again!
Then one day another buddy asks me if I wanted a beer and I was like āSure! At least its not that damn heroin!ā.
Off to the races again! 
3 Likes
āMeth orgasmsā
āI really like the twist this thread has takenā
Lol
Looking at how addictive alcohol isā¦ itās actually up there with opiates.
Alcohol kills far more than opiates do every year, though fentanyl/xyalazine addiction is more lethal unless you are drinking crudely made moonshine, methylated spirits or denatured ethanol.
But in terms of the āability to drown sorrowsā and the ārushā those predisposed get from alcoholā¦ itās classified as a hard drug (despite pushback from many because alcohol is culturally accepted) for a reason.
Thankfully we are starting to wake up, there is now a push to add a suregon generals warning to beer, wine, liquor, spirits because many seem to think drinking is harmless
Drinking fucks up your liver, kidneys, heart, brain (look up wernicke korsakoff syndrome), stomach lining and moreā¦ and you can so SIGNIFICANT damage with alcohol in a short period of time
Whereas aside from addiction/overdose and hypogonadism (issues associated with that)ā¦ opiates suprisingly arenāt that ātoxicā IF you donāt overdose and die/if you arenāt injecting.
Alcohol, meth etc cause a lot of permenant damageā¦ damage you have no hope of ever recovering fromā¦
What most donāt realise isā¦ the VAST majority using opiates medicinally (or even if someone tries a percocet out of curiosity without being in pain) donāt get addicted.
How many teens into hip hop have tried āleanāā¦ lean is codein (pro drug to morphine via cyp2d6) and promethazine (sedating antihistamine, potentiates codeine)ā¦ how many of those teens get addicted.
Purdue pharmaceuticals made the erronous claim 1% of patients get addictedā¦ noā¦ if you prescribe unlimited amounts and keep escalating the dose on patients who have chronic pain (and psychiatric comorbidities/risk factors for addiction)ā¦ many will get addicted
Esp considering purdue pushed the narrative that the drug wasnāt addictive and that you can pull someone off oxycodone without tapering so long as the dose was 60mg/day or belowā¦ HAHā¦ pulling people off without tapering led to people who were dependant (not addicted) turning to HEROIN because the withdrawls were so bad with oxycodone.
Predators i.e cartels and dealers āsmelled blood in the waterā (and still do) when opiate dependent patients get/got pulled off aggressively/suddenly.
But the truth isā¦ if you carefully select your patient population, prescribe appropriately and use abuse deterrant formulationsā¦ the risk of addiction is low
Even with recreational useā¦ most people try something like that once or twice on a whim, think 'woah, that felt interestingā¦ I was itchy and then I fell asleep" and think nothing of it.
This idea that opiates (or even cigarettes) are so amazingly addictive that one pill or one drag leaves you hopelessly addicted isnāt trueā¦ you need to have a genetic or environmental predisposition and/or already have the neural pathways of an addict.
The video above is important for anyone to watchā¦ provides understanding re what chronically ill patients go through nowadays.
It took me MONTHS (like 3+ months) of DAILY, round the clock use of opiates before I realised I felt sick if I missed doses. But Iāve found the threshold for becoming dependant again has decreased each time I go back on.
Used to take 3+ months of daily use, now 3 weeks of daily use will lead to withdrawls if I stop @SkyzykS
Iām unfortunately on pain medication indefinately now, albeit at a stable dose.
Iām very passionate about advocating for people who are sufferingā¦ because the pendulum has swung too far in the direction of āitās not acceptable to treat pain, and being in extreme pain means you are just weak and unable to tough it outā. Itās fucking bizarre
1 Like
I held a lit cigarette in my hands when I was young
I have smoked over one HUNDRED cigarettes sinceā¦ never got addicted. In Europe I smoked daily for months when I was 18ā¦ then stopped cold turkey with zero withdrawl symptoms
Never got addicted to vaping either (donāt do this nowadays) not for lack of trying
Still smoke one cigarette every couple of months or soā¦ and I smoke 2-3 cigars a year
I donāt know whyā¦ but I never became dependent on caffiene, nicotine etc whereas it seems so many fall for it immediately.
And I had my first cigarette at 14ā¦ young and primed for addiction! Didnāt have another until I was 17
Sometimes people will express dissaproval and try to school me on how dangerous tobacco isā¦ and in response I will go over oxidative stress induced by various individual carcinogens/toxins present in tobacco and Iāll go over twelve different cancers that can be caused by cigarettes (itās actually more like a couple of dozen) alongside the massively increased risk of heart attack and stroke/why and how this happens
I know itās dangerousā¦ I have very painful genetic disease, am not too concerned about longevity as there is no cure and it only gets worse with time.
1 Like
Sheās a flirtologistā¦ lolā¦
Iām a prismologist!
I love how blunt this guy is (thinkbeforeyousleep)
1 Like
Exactly that
and you must say āooga booga, snu snuā
works every time, 0% of the time
1 Like
Keep the attractive women on the edge of their seatsā¦ smart!
1 Like
I have a crazy story about this
I once took a lot of shrooms (long story, got dose mixed up and took almost eight grams) and near the peak of the trip I felt this unbridled sexual pleasureā¦ I was watching a movie and there was some risque content in the movieā¦ and bamā¦ started having a spontaneous orgasmā¦ and then anotherā¦ and then anotherā¦ Iāve never felt sexual pleasure like that before. Iād scratch my nether region and bamā¦ Have never experienced anything remotely like it sinceā¦ I also saw someoneās face morph into my face on psychedelics.
Psychedelics are non-addictive (physically impossible to become dependent on). Racked my brain as to how it happened, as Iād pay big moneys to experience that again lol.
Psychedelics act on 5ht2a receptors, the manner by which they do this helps spawn new neural connections (pathways that wouldnāt normally be generated). One of the reasons psychedelics are said to help with addiction and mental illness (generation of new neural pathways). I wonder if this had something to do with what I experienced.
I wasnāt breaking the law by doing this, therefore youāve got nothing on me! Shrooms arenāt illegal everywhere, and in many countries where they are illegal itās the possession of them that is illegal and not necessarily the act of ingestion/having it in your system.
Psychedelics feel interesting, but I wouldnāt categories it as a āeuphoric feelingā. But when people who havenāt taken drugs think about drugsā¦ the way one is affected under the influence of LSD/shrooms is probably what most envision when the word ādrugsā comes up.
Totally changes your state of consciousnessā¦ actually warps realityā¦ Itās a lot of fun, and usually legitimately harmless if done very occasionally provided you are healthy. I still wouldnāt recommend it to anyone, but if someone tells me they take mushrooms or something similar from time to time I think very little of it.
If someone tells me they get drunk semi-regularly Iām way more sketched out by that as that individual is more likely to wind up getting in trouble/in a bad situation.
I donāt agree with anabolic steroids being more benign that pot though. I think AAS is up there with tobacco.
1 Like
I appreciate the information, but I requested it in orgasm units.
1 Like
Thanks, but to be fair, I got my ass wooped pretty badly.
Had a good bit of fun while I was at it though.
1 Like
Well put it this way
Injecting a high dose of methamphetamine is apparently pleasurable enough to make some users immediately ejaculate in their pantsā¦
You donāt hear about that with heroinā¦ you donāt really hear about that with anything outside the realm of ārare side effects associated with certain medicationsā.
1 Like
Fun fact
@NickViar
Methamphetamine was synthesised in 1893, but widespread use didnāt become an issue until WWII. Nazi germany marketed Methamphetamine as a pep/otc pill called pervitin
Addiction, abuse and psychosis became commonplace. Ironic considering Nazi Germany pushed back against some of the more hedonistic attitudes present within the weimar republic
So drugs are badā¦ except for methamphetamineā¦ and the oxycodone, morphine and cocaine Hitler wound up addicted to.
Japanese imperial army also got into meth.
Meth allowed the soldiers to fight for days on end withiut getting tiredā¦ but Methamphetamine abuse became RAMPANT throughout Nazi Germany and imperial Japan.
the USA I believe used dextroamphetamine (and still might if prolonged wakefullness is required.)
āPervitin, an early form of methamphetamine, was widely used in Nazi Germany and was available without a prescriptionā
Two pictures areā¦
1: injectable methamphetamine ampuoles from Nazi Germany
2: otc methamphetamine tablets from nazi germanyā¦
People tend to overlook this when analysing why the german armed forces at the time were initially able to take ahold of so much land so quickly.
The calibre of their soldiers wasnāt above and beyond that of everybody elseā¦ noā¦ practically every soldier and civillian was using methamphetamine
Methamphetamine (before it fucks you up over years) increases productivity, work capacity, endurance/stamina by 2-300%.
So now your soldiers can stay away for three days without breaking a sweatā¦ and they donāt need to eat AND they have untapped, inhumane strength mediated by methamphetamine consumption.
It is categorised as a potent performance enhancing drug by athletic commisions.
Methamphetamines addictive potential wasnāt recognisedā¦ but even after abuse became rampant and Germany realised they had a problem with methamphetamine, authorities didnāt care and continued distributing the drug because it had a positive impact on soldiers productivity and civillian labor output
Until you crash that isā¦
2 Likes
The thing with smack is it takes back to the womb. If your life is shit, it wonāt be anymore after a hit.
Itās not for everyone. Some people wonāt get it.
If you shoot cokeā¦I think everyoneās gonna get it.
Dunno about meth.
Its the only drug I never liked. Not even a little bit.
Ran out of toot one time. ( ) Dude that was hanging out says he has the hook up, yadda yadda yadda. Comes back with some crap that was clearly not da booger sugar. He says āits ok, its just like cokeā¦ā .
So we whiffed up an 8 ball of this crap that was like misery in a bag. Just crazy, stupid, nose burning shit that lasted waaaaaaayyyyyy too long.
Never touched it again after I came down, which took forever and I had to drink like 3 cases of beer to keep from going through the roof. And sunlight was like shards of glass gouging through my skull.
Andrew Tate is unlikely to be the first of his kind
Andrew Tate is symbolistic of deeper problems, yet many seem content with taking the approach of burying their heads in the sand
If we donāt want psychopaths like Tate prospering with fame, fortune and idolisation we need to step up our gameā¦ we need to actually be TALKING to young menā¦
How many young men grow up without any mentors or role models?
A loottttt ā¦ I love my parents, but I never really had anyone who I ālooked up toā as an adolescent. No role modelsā¦ no one to talk to ā¦ can really screw with your sense of right and wrongā¦ increases risk of engaging in antisocial behavioursā¦
Not opting for hellicopter parenting, constant supervision either as kids do need time to be kids/learn how to be independent. But a mandatory once a month check in with a therapist/counsellor at school would probably go a long way!
Sorry for derail
What do you think about mandatory counsellingā¦ not as a punishment, but just to check in with young people regularly. This in itself would give young people someone to talk to and disclose any issues they may be dealing with.
You donāt have to be a basket case to benefit from therapyā¦ I reckon most adults and adolescents could and would benefit from seeing a therapist
Many lack EQ/insight into themselves and become entrenched within unhealthy patterns and behavioursā¦ Cycles of unhealthy behavioural patterns and maldaptive coping mechanisms can be broken when the individual becomes aware of the root cause/why they do what they do.
Societies lack of emotional intelligence may stem from people growing up without meaningful interactions and relationships. How can you express yourself or have any insight into yourself or others if youāve spent the last twenty years bottling up every negative emotion youāve ever come across, filling the void with chemicals and avoidance.
You can try to drown your sorrows, but sorrows float. Eventually the weight of the burden you bear will drown YOU as the repercussions attached to those attempts to repeatedly avoid or escape from your demons latch on and pull HARD. At which point you have to face your demons head on.
Without coping mechanisms, people to talk to or any sort of support one ends up drowning (potentially dying) or involved with the criminal justice system or worse (mass shooter/spree killer etc)ā¦ like Elliot Rodger
Though Elliot Rodger (incel shooter) had more going on. He harbouted many traits of overt narcissismā¦ stillā¦ avoidable outcome (probably)
3.5 grams of methamphetamine would kill a normal person. Therapeutically, the dose
prescription methamphetamine has fallen out of favor, but is the only thing that works for the tiniest, most minute fraction of individuals with something like narcolepsy, SEVERE (and real) adhd etc. Dextroamphetamine is a stronger CNS stimulant anywayā¦
Vicks inhaler (OTC inhaler in USA) is levomethamphetamineā¦ Levomethamphetamine is less potent than dextromethamphetamine, less addictive. Same goes for regular amphetamine, levoamphetamine and levomethamphetamine are far less friendly in terms of side effects, but the side effects of levomethamphetamine explain why it is OTCā¦ not because it isnāt prone to abuse, because it is (less prone though). Itās still an isomer of methamphetamine albeit the the less sought after isomer
Levomethamphetamine is a very potent vasoconstricer. When applied intranasally it is VERY effective at reducing or eliminating nasal congestion. Take too much and the systemic vasoconstriction would be extremely unpleasant
None of us were very normal. In fact, Id venture the guess that normal people wouldnāt want to be anywhere near us.
Plus, it was split a few ways. And PROBABLY stepped on. This wasnāt like the Walter White blue stuff.
Now @punnyguy will probably be irked that Iām showing three preeminent historical/geopolitical experts in the world.
This is āIām 14 and I tried weed for the first timeā level of reasoning had at least one of them not been a sex trafficker/rapist.