The All Powerful Ultram

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[quote]Poacher1632 wrote:
I just happened to notice this post was still going. Great feedback. Its been 11 months since ive touched a pain medication. I went through outpatient detox on suboxone @ 16mg/day to .5mg/day over a 4 month span. I must say the withdrawals from even the miniscule amount of suboxone was quite uncomfortable and prolonged.

About a month of high anxiety and discomfort. The drs were reluctant to presribe any benzos because of my obvuious history of addiction. Nothing worked but time. Im now doing great. From 160 to 215 pounds since december of 2007. It feels great to be clean, and as someone said in this thread what doesnt kill you makes you stronger.

The drs were amazed that the dose i was taking did not cause a seizure or long term damage. I also followed detox with 3 months of intensive outpatient drug treatment. It was the smartest decision ive made in quite some time. If anyone is facing anything like this I urge you to get help as soon as possible. life dependent on a chemical is no life at all.
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I’m glad you are through with all the nervous system malfunctioning…

I think it could have been done much easier…

even with the .5 suboxone you are still going to have a major nervous system active being removed cold turkey…

I would have liked to see an even smaller dose or two or three or four before you went off…even if not available you can cut tabs and space out doses more for less overlap taking advantage of the fact that buprenorphine has a 37 hour half life…

but still switch to another nervous system active (or several)…

(the benzos could help with the sleeping problems)…

and the other nervous system active(s) could have been something non opioid…

research I worked on says testosterone would take care of dopamine brain circuit malfunctioning during withdrawal…(ask me if interested but same dopamine circuits with opioids and testosterone)…

people should realize now what I am saying…

YOU MUST UNDERSTAND WHICH CIRCUITS ARE AT PLAY DURING WITHDRAWAL AND REALIZE THERE ARE INFINITE WAYS TO KEEP THEM FROM MALFUNCTIONING WHILE GETTING CLEAN

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[quote]Nich wrote:
newbatman wrote:
Nich wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
newbatman wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
newbatman wrote:
MrZsasz wrote:
newbatman wrote:
Poacher1632 wrote:
I dont know if anyone has been through the addiction and withdrawal of ultram (trmamdol) but it sucks bad. Is there a safe, and relatively comfortable way to get off of it after using high doses for 4+ months?
Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks

wow…

30 per day is STEEP…

I would be happy to find out this guy got down to therapeutic range by now…

I hope he is down to like 30 or 40 a week…

from there its only about 5 to 7 days of discomfort to go cold turkey…

maybe 2 days of sleep problems at first…

I know because I use tramadol and stop periodically from about this range to reset my tolerance…

God Bless Him In Jesus Christ’s Name

Wow…double bumping a couple of threads from a year or so ago about ultram…so very strange.

I research this type of stuff…

and I use tramadol for years and it is sad that he did not get sound help…

he should have switched to a mu agonist then back with half the dose two weeks later…then a suboxone an ORL agonist for a week…then a kappa agonist nubaine for a week…then a mu again…etc…all the while tapering every time you go back to the tramadol

You read stuff on the internet.

That is not research.

The guy got professional medical attention, not bad advice from an ill informed internet wanna-be(You).

Now shut your piehole, notadoctor.

wrong…

wrong…

and wrong…

bye now

Oh, so you are an M.D.? What kind and where from?

Present your credentials.

yes please tell,it would be wonderful to have an actual md in the community here.

and as for your tramadol to perc. to tramadol tapering so that you can have a pianless withdrawl.

my ex girlfriend currently has a malpractice case out on a doctor that reccomended her this exact protocol.
it caused seizures,very painful opiate addiction,and liver damage,this is prove by independant lab tests and unbiased 3rd party opinions.
I would not reccomend anyone do this

as far as myself I liked ultram because I didnt feel as high on it as other opiates,I could function normaly and still feel alright.
yes I was also a long time user.

tramadol causes seizures above therapeutic range and liver damage…

I see no case…

but I do see my relevent degrees on the other side of my room…

degrees which are?

if you are infact an md.
I would find another line of work before you kill someone.

having a peice of paper saying that you answered some questions on a test correctly do not mean that you are are smart.

doctors do and always have for the most part repeated the same old school bullshit they always have. you are very hard pressed to find someone open minded enough to look for new treatments to old problmes.
and the case simply is a doctor told her that this was a safe treatment,did not warn her on addiction or liver damage issues at all.
he did not allow her to make an informed consent to the treatmeant he just ordered it.
and instead of helping it caused more damage.
oh BTW “doc” he was prescribing her pain meds after child birth because of a complicated birthing process that caused alot of damage to her muscles and nerves and left her bed ridden for several months.
she was not a junky untill she was hurt,he then under his advice gave her too much opiates,then after he tried to fix her problem giving a different med,much like you suggested.
so do you still see no case.
maybe the 3 deaths involved with this mans practice of handing out pain meds is also not a valid case.

are you really that closed minded and all powerful that you will do whatever it takes to be right,and not learn something from real human experiance?

NO,I say you are full of shit personally and you flat out lie to people and alluding that you are a doctor is they worst thing you can do for people,on a board that deals with drug use of any kind.

sometimes desperate people will reach out to a message board in the hopes that someone around will listen and help.
if you are spewing your bullshit here,where else are you spewing,will the next suicide or accidental OD be a young kid that reached out to you,because you said that you were a doctor and could help?

go the fuck away please find a better use for your sad,pathatic existance. please

EDIT: ok why not give up a name.
you are a doctor and you know what you are doing
so give me a name.
every practicing doc in the country is in a directory and I can very easy prove or disprove your existance of being a doc.
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so wait…

is it good or not good to be a doctor?

you argue both…you are all over the place…

but as for your girlfriend…she overdosed on tramadol…and I doubt any doctor told her to take that amount…no lawsuit…

the doctor however should have told her that once coming off the percocet that the tramadol would be VERY strong compared to what she was used to…and tried to convince her she did not need 10 at a time…but he probably did and she probably did not believe him…just like you did not believe me…the spirit of disbelief of the truth is contageous…John wrote…

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[quote]newbatman wrote:
…and tried to convince her she did not need 10 at a time…but he probably did and she probably did not believe him…just like you did not believe me…the spirit of disbelief of the truth is contageous…John wrote…

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was she taking 10 at a time?
how do you know that her dose was exessive,is it because everyone with a dependance,and physical damage caused from a med. taking exessive dosages.
and why would percocet not cause liver damage.
my research says that it will without a doubt cause liver damage in people with compromised liver function ,and in high dosages.
her problem was the first one,but lets get off that subject its like kicking a dead horse.

If you are speaking so much truth,instead of stating quotes from the bible,maybe you should state sources
like I asked already whats your name.
who are you,if you indeed are a trained doctor than you are very welcome here and I am sure that I am not the only one that shares in that sentiment.

all of us in a way here, are scientists,we all run experiments on our bodies based on published fact,in respect to the use of drugs,the effects of these drugs,training and nutrition.but we need fact and not speculation.
our bodies are the labs (well mine is anyways) and to have a trained person inside the medical community passing on knowledge to us that will help in our individual quests will be wonderfull.
but again we need fact,and not speculation
and right now you sound like a kid that picks big words off the internet and says yes im a doctor.
well I know you never came straight out and said you were an MD so forgive me on assuming.
but you are kind of getting to that.

and the point is if you are,thats great,if you are not then please do not say you are and pass on bad info,we already have enough bad advice floating around,and we have new people that come here every day that will mis-interpet some of your bad advice because they assume,like I did,you are a doc and possibly get hurt.
we are about the responsible use of drugs and no one wants to see anyone hurt.
I think that is my gripe with you.

so prove it to me and everyone else here that is all I am asking.

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Nich wrote: “I think my gripe with you is…”

but his gripe with me is rather that I am not a subaverage intellect liar like himself…

but if he must persist:

1.) tramadol only causes seizures at an overdose…his girlfriend overdosed…duh…

2.) percocet in therapeutic range does not cause liver damage…duh…

3.) no doctor told his girlfriend to do go above therapeutic range on either…or the doctor committed a criminal act…highly unlikely…

4.) so no lawyer even could lie well enough to win your law suit…even though some of them make a living out of lying…

so back to reality and away from little stories on the internet…there is nothing wrong with the protocol the doctor used and the one I described earlier that is nearly the same…

EVERYTHING I SAID IS ACCURATE AND HELPFUL TO PEOPLE WITH DRUG / NERVOUS SYSTEM PROBELMS FROM OPIOID OVEREXPOSURE (receptor cycling with semi cross tolerancing drugs still gets the thumbs up if done for two week intervals and by someone who knows what they are doing)

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And yet you ignore a simple request.
and instead of either honoring the request or denying the request,you resort to putting down people over the internet.
do you really think that if you add enough big words and plagerise enough medical publications,that people will actually beleive you to not be a fruad?

and on a side note,I sure do hope for the publics sake you are a fruad.
maybe then you cant directly damage peoples lives

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You do not have to overdose to have seizures or be addicted to ultram

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edit for the obvious:

I originally just had “false”…

but I would like to state “double false” instead…

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for anyone who reads this that might want to stop tramadol or a similar substance via just a simple taper:

  • I think 6 tramadol per day is a good goal to not be addicted and to be able to quit cold turkey as I know from first hand experience…

  • before stopping I would recommend to anyone to use 6 per day for a while so that your body gets pretty strong on its own in those circuits and not so dependent…

  • then I would drop to 3 per day breakfast lunch dinner…then 2 per day on waking and 8 hours later…then just 1 on waking…and during this taper period I would suggest kratom leaf for the mental fatigue as it is a cheap natural opioid that is legal and that also has metabolites that hit the delta opioid receptor like tramadol that can be used in times when you are not as functional as you would like during the taper…

I hope this helps someone…

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[quote]newbatman wrote:
for anyone who reads this that might want to stop tramadol or a similar substance via just a simple taper:

  • I think 6 tramadol per day is a good goal to not be addicted and to be able to quit cold turkey as I know from first hand experience…

  • before stopping I would recommend to anyone to use 6 per day for a while so that your body gets pretty strong on its own in those circuits and not so dependent…

  • then I would drop to 3 per day breakfast lunch dinner…then 2 per day on waking and 8 hours later…then just 1 on waking…and during this taper period I would suggest kratom leaf for the mental fatigue as it is a cheap natural opioid that is legal and that also has metabolites that hit the delta opioid receptor like tramadol that can be used in times when you are not as functional as you would like during the taper…

I hope this helps someone…[/quote]
I have followed this tread since its start, and I have to say that you should just stop while you are ahead.

I will not get into an argument with you because I am not here to fight with anyone but please,stop.

you are a very,powerful troll you had the forum up in an uproar at one time,DO NOT do that again.
You win troll you win.

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[quote]MaddyD wrote:

1.) I have followed this tread since its start,

2.) and I have to say that you should just stop while you are ahead.

3.) I will not get into an argument with you because I am not here to fight with anyone

4.) but please,stop.

5.) you are a very,powerful troll

6.) you had the forum up in an uproar at one time
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false, false, false, no, false, true…