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[quote]Poacher1632 wrote:
I dont know if anyone has been through the addiction and withdrawal of ultram (trmamdol) but it sucks bad. Is there a safe, and relatively comfortable way to get off of it after using high doses for 4+ months?
Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks[/quote]

wow…

30 per day is STEEP…

I would be happy to find out this guy got down to therapeutic range by now…

I hope he is down to like 30 or 40 a week…

from there its only about 5 to 7 days of discomfort to go cold turkey…

maybe 2 days of sleep problems at first…

I know because I use tramadol and stop periodically from about this range to reset my tolerance…

God Bless Him In Jesus Christ’s Name

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[quote]newbatman wrote:
Poacher1632 wrote:
I dont know if anyone has been through the addiction and withdrawal of ultram (trmamdol) but it sucks bad. Is there a safe, and relatively comfortable way to get off of it after using high doses for 4+ months?
Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks

wow…

30 per day is STEEP…

I would be happy to find out this guy got down to therapeutic range by now…

I hope he is down to like 30 or 40 a week…

from there its only about 5 to 7 days of discomfort to go cold turkey…

maybe 2 days of sleep problems at first…

I know because I use tramadol and stop periodically from about this range to reset my tolerance…

God Bless Him In Jesus Christ’s Name[/quote]

Wow…double bumping a couple of threads from a year or so ago about ultram…so very strange.

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Wow that is a lot of Tramadol. Well Tramadol is not a narcotic pain reliever. It is not a CII it is in the same class as vicodin. Personally I have take up to 50mg a day and it didnt do anything to me.

10mg vicodin did more…anyway there is a drug u can use called suboxone…its is meant to ween people off opiates but should have the same effect for tramadol.

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WOW. I never thought something like ultram, it being a very weak narcotic that some will not even class as a narcotic, could cause such bad withdrawal. But I have heard this from several people so I guess it is true.

I had a bad, bad problem w/vicoden and percocet. I was also taking up to 30 pills a day at one point and I went through such bad withdrawal that it makes me sick when I think of it.

The only thing I can suggest is to taper down ur dose over a few weeks. It would be better if u could give the pills to a friend to disperse them 2 u. That way u will not be tempted to take more then u should. If u taper right u should have no withdrawal.

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I agree with mr.blow on this one if you have some one who cares for your best interest.

To disperse them gradually decreasing til there all gone it’s easier then staring at a full bottle all day.

Be strong i had to do the same with colonzepam the doc tapered me off with my mother issueng them out.

Good luck and stay strong brother you can do it and what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger!!!

Trust and believe on that one,
THE JUDGE

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Tramadol was designed as the non-addictive opioid based analgesic… sadly the marketing isnt quite the reality.
In reality Ultram is to Morphine what Anavar is to Test…!

Still an opioid.
Still addictive.
Just crap, IMO if something is worth doing - it is worth doing well… ;p

Ultram addiction is usually deal with by a moderate taper or cold turkey with a handful of benzos - and as someone mentioned, cold turkey is definitely worth doing… as it is a good way to help you stay off.
There are too many addicts that never have to feel the full horror or withdrawal these days, and it affects their ability to admit to their addiction (pain pills) fully and and to get off and stay off for any decent length of time. JMO.

I am on a moderate/high dose of methadone and it does suck… but i have done over 10 withdrawals - most of which were cold turkey, but some of us never seem to learn. Luckily i did after 10 years.

Ultram? Just suck it up.

JJ

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[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
newbatman wrote:
Poacher1632 wrote:
I dont know if anyone has been through the addiction and withdrawal of ultram (trmamdol) but it sucks bad. Is there a safe, and relatively comfortable way to get off of it after using high doses for 4+ months?
Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks

wow…

30 per day is STEEP…

I would be happy to find out this guy got down to therapeutic range by now…

I hope he is down to like 30 or 40 a week…

from there its only about 5 to 7 days of discomfort to go cold turkey…

maybe 2 days of sleep problems at first…

I know because I use tramadol and stop periodically from about this range to reset my tolerance…

God Bless Him In Jesus Christ’s Name

Wow…double bumping a couple of threads from a year or so ago about ultram…so very strange.[/quote]

I research this type of stuff…

and I use tramadol for years and it is sad that he did not get sound help…

he should have switched to a mu agonist then back with half the dose two weeks later…then a suboxone an ORL agonist for a week…then a kappa agonist nubaine for a week…then a mu again…etc…all the while tapering every time you go back to the tramadol…

even percocet for 2 weeks then back to tramadol and the first day tramadol is 8 times more potent and your taper was painless because now you need one 4th the dose…

edit: you ge the idea…this is not an exact instruction manual but the concepts are…I should note that nubain is not available except in injectable and it causes withdrawals for mu addicts…as it blocks mu…I should also note that kratom is a valuable legal herb for switching compounds if one starts losing its effect…I should also add that almost 99% of doctors will not be this smart about it so do your research before they try to “punish” by forcing a painful route to come off or “make you get tough” and go to groups because you are mentally the problem…these doctors ar ethe problem if they can’t get people off opioids without pain

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[quote]Cron391 wrote:
Wow that is a lot of Tramadol. Well Tramadol is not a narcotic pain reliever. It is not a CII it is in the same class as vicodin. Personally I have take up to 50mg a day and it didnt do anything to me.

10mg vicodin did more…anyway there is a drug u can use called suboxone…its is meant to ween people off opiates but should have the same effect for tramadol. [/quote]

it takes 100-150 mg of tramadol and its a 17 hour high that feels like a third grader’s crush on a girl…

this can be very enticing…

but it is less severe a high and more just a pain killer after two weeks…

I would recommend cycling to percocet every two weeks for two weeks to keep tolerance down and using only 3-4 days per week if possible

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[quote]newbatman wrote:
MrZsasz wrote:
newbatman wrote:
Poacher1632 wrote:
I dont know if anyone has been through the addiction and withdrawal of ultram (trmamdol) but it sucks bad. Is there a safe, and relatively comfortable way to get off of it after using high doses for 4+ months?
Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks

wow…

30 per day is STEEP…

I would be happy to find out this guy got down to therapeutic range by now…

I hope he is down to like 30 or 40 a week…

from there its only about 5 to 7 days of discomfort to go cold turkey…

maybe 2 days of sleep problems at first…

I know because I use tramadol and stop periodically from about this range to reset my tolerance…

God Bless Him In Jesus Christ’s Name

Wow…double bumping a couple of threads from a year or so ago about ultram…so very strange.

I research this type of stuff…

and I use tramadol for years and it is sad that he did not get sound help…

he should have switched to a mu agonist then back with half the dose two weeks later…then a suboxone an ORL agonist for a week…then a kappa agonist nubaine for a week…then a mu again…etc…all the while tapering every time you go back to the tramadol[/quote]

You read stuff on the internet.

That is not research.

The guy got professional medical attention, not bad advice from an ill informed internet wanna-be(You).

Now shut your piehole, notadoctor.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
newbatman wrote:
MrZsasz wrote:
newbatman wrote:
Poacher1632 wrote:
I dont know if anyone has been through the addiction and withdrawal of ultram (trmamdol) but it sucks bad. Is there a safe, and relatively comfortable way to get off of it after using high doses for 4+ months?
Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks

wow…

30 per day is STEEP…

I would be happy to find out this guy got down to therapeutic range by now…

I hope he is down to like 30 or 40 a week…

from there its only about 5 to 7 days of discomfort to go cold turkey…

maybe 2 days of sleep problems at first…

I know because I use tramadol and stop periodically from about this range to reset my tolerance…

God Bless Him In Jesus Christ’s Name

Wow…double bumping a couple of threads from a year or so ago about ultram…so very strange.

I research this type of stuff…

and I use tramadol for years and it is sad that he did not get sound help…

he should have switched to a mu agonist then back with half the dose two weeks later…then a suboxone an ORL agonist for a week…then a kappa agonist nubaine for a week…then a mu again…etc…all the while tapering every time you go back to the tramadol

You read stuff on the internet.

That is not research.

The guy got professional medical attention, not bad advice from an ill informed internet wanna-be(You).

Now shut your piehole, notadoctor.
[/quote]

wrong…

wrong…

and wrong…

bye now

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so the other day when I was shaving mice heads for brain surgery this guy told me to “shut my piehole”…

it was a grand day…

he mislead people into thinking that suboxone is a good idea for more than two weeks or any opiate (why 2 weeks? this is how long it takes to develop tolerance or the inhibitory GABA pathway desensitation)…

people need to switch back and forth for almost painless tapering of opiates (but it depends what you are on to decide which is the ones to switch to)…

SIMPLEST FOR TRAMADOL TAPERING: I suggest for tramadol to percocet and back to drop dose painlessly…

two weeks of percocet 4 times daily 10mg and you will not develop addiction…

then go immediately to tramadol again and you will need about 1/4 less than two weeks prior…

PAINLESS

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[quote]newbatman wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
newbatman wrote:
MrZsasz wrote:
newbatman wrote:
Poacher1632 wrote:
I dont know if anyone has been through the addiction and withdrawal of ultram (trmamdol) but it sucks bad. Is there a safe, and relatively comfortable way to get off of it after using high doses for 4+ months?
Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks

wow…

30 per day is STEEP…

I would be happy to find out this guy got down to therapeutic range by now…

I hope he is down to like 30 or 40 a week…

from there its only about 5 to 7 days of discomfort to go cold turkey…

maybe 2 days of sleep problems at first…

I know because I use tramadol and stop periodically from about this range to reset my tolerance…

God Bless Him In Jesus Christ’s Name

Wow…double bumping a couple of threads from a year or so ago about ultram…so very strange.

I research this type of stuff…

and I use tramadol for years and it is sad that he did not get sound help…

he should have switched to a mu agonist then back with half the dose two weeks later…then a suboxone an ORL agonist for a week…then a kappa agonist nubaine for a week…then a mu again…etc…all the while tapering every time you go back to the tramadol

You read stuff on the internet.

That is not research.

The guy got professional medical attention, not bad advice from an ill informed internet wanna-be(You).

Now shut your piehole, notadoctor.

wrong…

wrong…

and wrong…

bye now
[/quote]

Oh, so you are an M.D.? What kind and where from?

Present your credentials.

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his name was Stalkee

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
newbatman wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
newbatman wrote:
MrZsasz wrote:
newbatman wrote:
Poacher1632 wrote:
I dont know if anyone has been through the addiction and withdrawal of ultram (trmamdol) but it sucks bad. Is there a safe, and relatively comfortable way to get off of it after using high doses for 4+ months?
Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks

wow…

30 per day is STEEP…

I would be happy to find out this guy got down to therapeutic range by now…

I hope he is down to like 30 or 40 a week…

from there its only about 5 to 7 days of discomfort to go cold turkey…

maybe 2 days of sleep problems at first…

I know because I use tramadol and stop periodically from about this range to reset my tolerance…

God Bless Him In Jesus Christ’s Name

Wow…double bumping a couple of threads from a year or so ago about ultram…so very strange.

I research this type of stuff…

and I use tramadol for years and it is sad that he did not get sound help…

he should have switched to a mu agonist then back with half the dose two weeks later…then a suboxone an ORL agonist for a week…then a kappa agonist nubaine for a week…then a mu again…etc…all the while tapering every time you go back to the tramadol

You read stuff on the internet.

That is not research.

The guy got professional medical attention, not bad advice from an ill informed internet wanna-be(You).

Now shut your piehole, notadoctor.

wrong…

wrong…

and wrong…

bye now

Oh, so you are an M.D.? What kind and where from?

Present your credentials.
[/quote]

yes please tell,it would be wonderful to have an actual md in the community here.

and as for your tramadol to perc. to tramadol tapering so that you can have a pianless withdrawl.

my ex girlfriend currently has a malpractice case out on a doctor that reccomended her this exact protocol.
it caused seizures,very painful opiate addiction,and liver damage,this is prove by independant lab tests and unbiased 3rd party opinions.
I would not reccomend anyone do this

as far as myself I liked ultram because I didnt feel as high on it as other opiates,I could function normaly and still feel alright.
yes I was also a long time user.

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[quote]newbatman wrote:
his name was Stalkee[/quote]

No his name is Calling Bullshit on a Bullshitter.

As was stated in the other thread, the O.P. did a medicaly supervised detox, and it was successfull. It was also directly contrary to your bullshit fantasy advise.

So, in closing, I would like to say- Fuck You you ignorant asshole. Save your shitty advise for a situation that is not life threatening.

Or just save us the hassle and use it yourself.

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I just happened to notice this post was still going. Great feedback. Its been 11 months since ive touched a pain medication. I went through outpatient detox on suboxone @ 16mg/day to .5mg/day over a 4 month span. I must say the withdrawals from even the miniscule amount of suboxone was quite uncomfortable and prolonged.

About a month of high anxiety and discomfort. The drs were reluctant to presribe any benzos because of my obvuious history of addiction. Nothing worked but time. Im now doing great. From 160 to 215 pounds since december of 2007. It feels great to be clean, and as someone said in this thread what doesnt kill you makes you stronger.

The drs were amazed that the dose i was taking did not cause a seizure or long term damage. I also followed detox with 3 months of intensive outpatient drug treatment. It was the smartest decision ive made in quite some time. If anyone is facing anything like this I urge you to get help as soon as possible. life dependent on a chemical is no life at all.

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[quote]Nich wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
newbatman wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
newbatman wrote:
MrZsasz wrote:
newbatman wrote:
Poacher1632 wrote:
I dont know if anyone has been through the addiction and withdrawal of ultram (trmamdol) but it sucks bad. Is there a safe, and relatively comfortable way to get off of it after using high doses for 4+ months?
Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks

wow…

30 per day is STEEP…

I would be happy to find out this guy got down to therapeutic range by now…

I hope he is down to like 30 or 40 a week…

from there its only about 5 to 7 days of discomfort to go cold turkey…

maybe 2 days of sleep problems at first…

I know because I use tramadol and stop periodically from about this range to reset my tolerance…

God Bless Him In Jesus Christ’s Name

Wow…double bumping a couple of threads from a year or so ago about ultram…so very strange.

I research this type of stuff…

and I use tramadol for years and it is sad that he did not get sound help…

he should have switched to a mu agonist then back with half the dose two weeks later…then a suboxone an ORL agonist for a week…then a kappa agonist nubaine for a week…then a mu again…etc…all the while tapering every time you go back to the tramadol

You read stuff on the internet.

That is not research.

The guy got professional medical attention, not bad advice from an ill informed internet wanna-be(You).

Now shut your piehole, notadoctor.

wrong…

wrong…

and wrong…

bye now

Oh, so you are an M.D.? What kind and where from?

Present your credentials.

yes please tell,it would be wonderful to have an actual md in the community here.

and as for your tramadol to perc. to tramadol tapering so that you can have a pianless withdrawl.

my ex girlfriend currently has a malpractice case out on a doctor that reccomended her this exact protocol.

it caused seizures,very painful opiate addiction,and liver damage,this is prove by independant lab tests and unbiased 3rd party opinions.
I would not reccomend anyone do this

as far as myself I liked ultram because I didnt feel as high on it as other opiates,I could function normaly and still feel alright.
yes I was also a long time user.

[/quote]

tramadol causes seizures above therapeutic range and liver damage…NOT switching to percocet…

I see no case…

edit so people can believe more easily: but if you happen to be in my bedroom while I am not home please notice in the card board box to the left side of my bed relevent degrees and and transcripts proof premed psych

then bio then chem then psychopharm research the transcripts are readily available please add up the credits while going through my trash to make sure I got the right amount of credit hours…

also tell the first school and seventh school on the transcripts that I will pay them the outstanding balances with your credit card if possible…not joking…

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switching from tramadol to percocet would not cause liver damage…

this was ridiculous…

and as for seizures…

I would guess that when your girlfriend went back to tramadol she overdosed because the protocol worked so well that her old idea of how much tramadol it takes to function normal was way off after the time her receptors had to recover while on percocet…

(overdose of tramadol causes seizure)

(therefore…)

wow…haters looking dumb…and cursing and using profanity…

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like I said…

switching from tramadol to percocet for two weeks would make a person need about 1/4 the tramadol when they switched back…

girlfriend week 1: 15 tramadol at once dose
girlfriend week 2: percocet 50 total week
girlfriend week 3: percocet 50 total week
girlfriend week 4: 10 tramadol on day one dose causes a seizure because her max dose was now only about 5

edit for the believers: kinetics of molecules many many exponents and calculus word problems make one hungry…eat raw egg mixed in whole milk

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[quote]newbatman wrote:
Nich wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
newbatman wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
newbatman wrote:
MrZsasz wrote:
newbatman wrote:
Poacher1632 wrote:
I dont know if anyone has been through the addiction and withdrawal of ultram (trmamdol) but it sucks bad. Is there a safe, and relatively comfortable way to get off of it after using high doses for 4+ months?
Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks

wow…

30 per day is STEEP…

I would be happy to find out this guy got down to therapeutic range by now…

I hope he is down to like 30 or 40 a week…

from there its only about 5 to 7 days of discomfort to go cold turkey…

maybe 2 days of sleep problems at first…

I know because I use tramadol and stop periodically from about this range to reset my tolerance…

God Bless Him In Jesus Christ’s Name

Wow…double bumping a couple of threads from a year or so ago about ultram…so very strange.

I research this type of stuff…

and I use tramadol for years and it is sad that he did not get sound help…

he should have switched to a mu agonist then back with half the dose two weeks later…then a suboxone an ORL agonist for a week…then a kappa agonist nubaine for a week…then a mu again…etc…all the while tapering every time you go back to the tramadol

You read stuff on the internet.

That is not research.

The guy got professional medical attention, not bad advice from an ill informed internet wanna-be(You).

Now shut your piehole, notadoctor.

wrong…

wrong…

and wrong…

bye now

Oh, so you are an M.D.? What kind and where from?

Present your credentials.

yes please tell,it would be wonderful to have an actual md in the community here.

and as for your tramadol to perc. to tramadol tapering so that you can have a pianless withdrawl.

my ex girlfriend currently has a malpractice case out on a doctor that reccomended her this exact protocol.
it caused seizures,very painful opiate addiction,and liver damage,this is prove by independant lab tests and unbiased 3rd party opinions.
I would not reccomend anyone do this

as far as myself I liked ultram because I didnt feel as high on it as other opiates,I could function normaly and still feel alright.
yes I was also a long time user.

tramadol causes seizures above therapeutic range and liver damage…

I see no case…

but I do see my relevent degrees on the other side of my room…

[/quote]

degrees which are?

if you are infact an md.
I would find another line of work before you kill someone.

having a peice of paper saying that you answered some questions on a test correctly do not mean that you are are smart.

doctors do and always have for the most part repeated the same old school bullshit they always have. you are very hard pressed to find someone open minded enough to look for new treatments to old problmes.
and the case simply is a doctor told her that this was a safe treatment,did not warn her on addiction or liver damage issues at all.
he did not allow her to make an informed consent to the treatmeant he just ordered it.
and instead of helping it caused more damage.
oh BTW “doc” he was prescribing her pain meds after child birth because of a complicated birthing process that caused alot of damage to her muscles and nerves and left her bed ridden for several months.
she was not a junky untill she was hurt,he then under his advice gave her too much opiates,then after he tried to fix her problem giving a different med,much like you suggested.
so do you still see no case.
maybe the 3 deaths involved with this mans practice of handing out pain meds is also not a valid case.

are you really that closed minded and all powerful that you will do whatever it takes to be right,and not learn something from real human experiance?

NO,I say you are full of shit personally and you flat out lie to people and alluding that you are a doctor is they worst thing you can do for people,on a board that deals with drug use of any kind.

sometimes desperate people will reach out to a message board in the hopes that someone around will listen and help.
if you are spewing your bullshit here,where else are you spewing,will the next suicide or accidental OD be a young kid that reached out to you,because you said that you were a doctor and could help?

go the fuck away please find a better use for your sad,pathatic existance. please

EDIT: ok why not give up a name.
you are a doctor and you know what you are doing
so give me a name.
every practicing doc in the country is in a directory and I can very easy prove or disprove your existance of being a doc.