I don’t think we have a good understanding on fair or unfair
We probably have a lot of agreement on what’s too far to the unfair side, but actually fair to a high degree of precession… No
I’m not sure what you mean by promoting or to a high degree.
By far and it’s not even close heterosexual relationships are more likely to be seen expressed in public, in movies, on tv, in video games, etc. People believe that just because it isn’t completely hidden in view it is shoved down people’s throats. It isn’t. It’s insecure people who are used to only seeing what they prefer and are freaking out that someone dares show the experience of someone who isn’t exactly like them.
They notice and throw their arms up at every possible gay interaction not realizing the much higher number of heterosexual interactions taking place around them. Yet you don’t often hear them say I don’t want that heterosexual couple holding hands shoving it in my face.
I think you do understand the basic idea, it was a statement about my views of the future rather than the past or present
If such a future sounds silly to you, then laugh.
They notice something that bothers them and you want them so surrounded that they cannot afford to be bothered by it anymore?
And their grandchildren can be so surrounded that they will not notice, sounds good?
Lots of Christians and Muslims had problems with outlawing slavery.
I can’t speak about the Quran as I don’t know much about it. In the Bible god does endorse slavery, and sets rules about how it should be done (Exodus 21). I really don’t care about the context of passages (people like to say I don’t understand the context of the versus / I don’t understand the people of the time), as I don’t see any context in which the endorsement of owning a person is okay.
The characteristics of gods raise a lot of interesting questions. Does anybody have free will if a being always knew you what you were going to do? Maybe this thinking is some sort of fallacy? I suppose you could argue that someone knowing what you are going to do doesn’t impact ones free will if they are ignorant to the knowledge?
I have to disagree here. I don’t see why faith would be a desired attribute of a person. The issue with faith is that it sure doesn’t seem to be a reliable method of figuring out what is true. Faith leads people all around the world to conflicting beliefs.
Additionally, I haven’t seen a difference in the acts of people that have faith and who don’t have faith. There are statistics that do show this (the prison study I mentioned above) and divorce rates.
As long as you don’t try to convert me you can tell me all you want. I do believe we should prioritize what we know we have (which is this life).
I can’t speak much to Islam, but the system described in the bible on who gets to heaven and who goes to hell is completely insane. The concept of hell is actually as unfair as possible. You can’t make a less fair thing than an infinite punishment for a finite infraction.
I don’t think I understood it hence the question. I guess we just differ in where we think allowing homosexuals to be themselves and be portrayed in media will end up.
I would say the future will be the same. Heterosexual relationships still seen at a higher rate and still far more likely to be seen. And hopefully lowered rates of things like suicide for homosexuals as people view and accept them as fellow human beings.
No I don’t want them “so surrounded” whatever that means. They are going to see tons more heterosexual affection throughout their life and they can’t simply tough out if they see homosexuality? I see plenty of things I’d rather not be surrounded by but I move on with my day and don’t act as if the sky is falling.
What would be so bad about their grandchildren not noticing or not caring? It’s not like we’re running out of heterosexuals.
What if they simply viewed them as people who behaved in a different way than them. Like a Buddhist or a vegan? Maybe not someone to despise and treat like a lesser human?
I don’t know that it would be so bad, but I won’t blame others for trying to avoid or prevent it
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It’s seen as a sin, unlike veganism
Noticing sin and being okay with it is not okay for me
Not noticing is tricky, could be good, could be bad
I think I’m out
Peace
Just one last thing Mr. Bear. Do you believe that everything in the Quran is correct?
I ask, because there are Christians who acknowledge issues with the bible. It actually can’t be literally true (it has contradictions).
If you believe that it not literally true and needs interpretation, I would really challenge you to consider my challenge to you a few days ago. Think about what about homosexuality makes it wrong. Maybe the thinking of the times is heavily reflected in the Quran, like it is in the Bible?
The Bible says slavery is ok. It says gays are bad. It says adultery is a capital offense.
How many Christians agree with all three of those laws? So do the Christians who hate gays but think slavery is wrong, hate gays because the Bible says so or because they personally don’t like them? It sure seems as though they are selective about which laws they follow.
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Christians have believed the Bible should not always be taken literally for over 1,500 years.
Not all of them. Some actually believe it is 
percent true. I know some of them.
Yes I do
Our ability to understand it is severely limited however
Quran makes a lot of analogies, it self describes as not literal at times
It’s not really that important for a Muslim imo, unless that particular Muslim is homosexual
Doing a sin in public is far worse than doing it in private, publicizing sins is a big no-no, hetero or not, sexual or not.
It’s a whole different perspective
What about not praying 5 times a day makes it wrong, not fasting during Ramadan, etc?
This isn’t the way for me
Fwiw for non Muslims it might not be wrong to not pray 5 times per day, etc
Fwiw I don’t have an opinion on a Muslim that’s attracted to the same sex, it’s just persuing those drives would be sinful. And a sin might be forgiven
There is the story of Lot, I don’t recall anything specifically about how to treat homosexuals
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for the most part it’s seen as good to have a good opinion of people and to make it easy for people to have a good opinion of people
(hide your faults and everyone else’s, except maybe to them privately)
(There’s probably Hadith on it)
Before I attended a college talk about abortion I believed very similar to you; a woman’s body, the choice is hers.
Why use the trait of a “functioning brain” to determine life? What happens as science learns and understands more? From the very moment of conception the cells divide and the embryo already “knows” what needs to exactly happen and where, down to the very exact moment. Science cannot understand and explain that yet. Why not go the other direction with abortion? Last month I watched a TED talk from Sweden [I believe] where the lady was saying people should have the “right” to kill their child until two years of age. It was crazy, she even got applause afterwards. Insane!
To answer your point about “the lady’s body, her choice” - biology decides where the baby develops and grows, if fact this is simply a mammalian trait. To consider a defenseless and growing child “a pest” already tells me hat you think about a newly conceived baby. Your “pests” are far from anything mammalian, let alone human. But you “personally believe there should be a cut off” is comparable to the democratic party right now; don’t ALL the candidates believe abortion should remain unfettered and legal until the moment of birth? Why is your view better than another opinion? Anything that can be tested to back up your claim? Again though the “conceived embryo has the ability to form anything one could remotely conceive as a higher intelligence” has cells that know exactly where to go, what to do, precisely what to do and to what level. Where is the explanation for that?
Say you are going elk hunting with a friend early in the morning. You are excited because today is opening of the season and at dawn all week you have heard the beautiful bulls as you were scouting for today’s hunt. Suddenly there is movement in the bush ahead of you; do you shoot or wait to see what you are sure is clearly an elk?
Your opinion H is that contraception doesn’t allow women to get pregnant, right? The Supreme Court in '92 said abortion had to remain legal for when birth-control failed. Are you correct or is the Supreme Court in 1992 right?
Why should anyone look to the Bible for guidance on abortion when that same book has God sponsored genocide and the slaughter of children? Why is abortion evil but killing a child just?
Are you even attempting to read my posts? This is like the 11th time you’ve posted something I never said. It prevents pregnancy from occurring. It isn’t 100% successful. And this is the second time I have posted this and the second time you have completely made this up.
I don’t know how to make my positions any clearer or help you read and comprehend them.
I gave up man. I will give someone the benefit of the doubt when they strawman my arguments. When it happens over and over after I clarify my position repeatedly I assume that the person is being dishonest, hasn’t read my posts and is just repeating propaganda, or is too stupid to argue with. Maybe I am missing a potential option here?
I will continue dialog if the person is being honest and we are not agreeing (that’s okay as long as it is fair).
These conversations are in a public forum. Others are seeing how terrible his response / arguments are.
Yeah I think we have all been guilty of assuming or creating strawmans but I apologize and stop once it’s pointed out. Not a single person has argued that prevention is 100% foolproof in this thread as its common knowledge that it isn’t. Yet this is the second time he’s tried to clarify my position as something I’ve never said.