There isn’t anything wrong with being attracted to muscular women. I don’t think there is some slippery slope in which you go from thin feminine woman, to athletic woman, to muscular woman to man.
Many people like spicy food because they get a high off of it. There isn’t anything wrong with eating spicy food. I like it.
Of course Cg, if a mother doesn’t want the baby and the father isn’t in the picture, that is her right; to give the child up for adoption. As for the second portion of your question I’m pretty sure parents can give up their parental rights at any time of their child’s life; but I’m not certain of this exact law.
Terminating a pregnancy kills the fetus, I really am not sure where this thinking is coming from. To think removing a developing child doesn’t kill the child until a later point in development is just dumb and trying to play a game is even more stupid than “a thought experiment.” If I misunderstood you, please explain yourself and I will address the statement/question.
Removing a child through an abortion always kills the child unless the abortionist fails. Know what happes to the babies that survive a botched abortion? They are left on a table, in a dark room to die alone. Kermit Gosnell was convicted of murder because he snipped the spinal cords of babies who couldn’t be aborted. Do you prefer that?
JAA JAA JAA!! JAA JAA JAA!! Let me get this straight; you are calling me a bad Catholic because I point out the injustices of abortion?!? JAA JAA JAA!! That makes me laugh. oh wait, you were serious huh? But I have to bring @pat and @Sloth into this conversation, not that I need their help but because I have never seen something so absolutely asinine before.
The thinking that anything I say or do is comparable to the atrocity of abortion just shows how much you need to learn about my faith, especially GOD . You’re right, Christ even loved the Jews who hung Him on a cross. I feel the same way towards you (no homo) but I’m calling out an evil act. Never have I claimed to be without sin and I never will.
I’m calling you a fake Christian because you believe you speak for God. There is a darkness and ugliness about you. You really aren’t a good person.
Nice projections! Here is some reading for you. - https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/505/833.html - Do you have better understanding of science then the Supreme Court in 1992? Find where liberty is a guarantee to privacy in our Constitution. Until you find that “right” here is some more material for you. - For two decades of economic and social developments, people have organized intimate relationships and made choices that define their views of themselves and their places in society, in reliance on the availability of abortion in the event that contraception should fail. The ability of women to participate equally in the economic and social life of the Nation has been facilitated by their ability to control their reproductive lives. The Constitution serves human values, and while the effect of reliance on Roe cannot be exactly measured, neither can the certain cost of overruling Roe for people who have ordered their thinking and living around that case be dismissed. - So H, are you wiser than the judges on the Supreme Court? They ruled i upholding Roe v Wade for when contraception fails; while your claim is 1) abortion has nothing to do with birth-control and 2) contraception does NOT allow for the creation of life because eggs are never released.
Please correct me if I have your position wrong.
Where are the quotes of me proving your case, showing where I did the things you claim I did?
Actually if you must know I have a problem with the people who support the open slaughter of children while defending their actions AND the doctors who kill the babies. A short list in reality; there are just a large number of them.
Though I believe women deserve the utmost respect and they deserve the complete best treatment possible.
Where is that quote where I said this? Please, please prove me wrong.
Isn’t this your opinion?
Shouldn’t I ask questions where you can think before you answer? Or would you recommend a better method?
You seemed to follow fine; so well in fact you have yet to ask a clarifying question.
Still waiting for the quote where I use my faith to argue the position of LIFE. You are welcome to prove your second sentence, please go ahead.
Your opinions are going to change? If you use logic, science or reason [not emotion though] to prove the pro-death case is the correct one; I’ll argue as soon as I see this “argument.” Are you trying to say the case for abortion is SO strong that younger generations are pro-death now?*
You have never talked with an authentic person who is pro-LIFE then. Ask me to clarify on post at a time and I will try my best.
The Catholic faith teaches that if a soul is not in a state of grace, then they go to Hell for eternity. The actual issue of fire is not certain, we are just given that image from the mouth of Jesus in Scripture.
Never have I and I never will judge women who support or have abortions. I hate the sin of abortion, I judge the “act of abortion.” The women who are “abortion minded” and see their babies via sonogram chose LIFE eighty percent of the time.
Alrighty. I’ll attempt a civil conversation. I honestly wanted to see if you would get worked up.
This is just going to be a disconnect with yourself and I. I will attempt to convey my point further down.
It’s not what you’ve said against women specifically. As I noted in a previous comment, it’s a womans choice for an abortion. Not yours. Not mine. Not men’s in general. This is my belief, based on what I view of a womans worth.
For the sake of saving time, I dont feel like finding quotes. But if you view gays/trans as anything remotely less important, more sinful, or anything short of the exact same as you, in the eyes of your god, I personally find this unacceptable.
Yes. Another point that we simply morally disagree with. And honestly I’m fine with that.
Yes. But you (whether intentionally or not) respond with a pretentious air about you. You obviously hold yourself to a higher standard than those you talk with. It makes discussions very difficult, feeling as though someone is figuratively looking down on you. It tends to make people defensive in nature. Doubly so, when you have such far leaning views.
Let me elaborate. It’s not due to what you say. But how you say it. You speak like a catholic, honestly. My fiance has a few in her family, not my cup of tea.
To the subject at hand: I’ll ask a question, and welcome a question in return, let’s do this from scratch:
Without a thousand links, please simply explain where you think life starts?
Please understand that my intention is never to talk with any of the “projections” that might come across on this form of communication. In the future please ask any clarifying , questions that you have.
The unborn are whole, distinct, complete, living human beings from the earliest moments of conception. This is just from many, many embryology textbooks as I was first learning about this topic; I am not trying to sound any kind of arrogant position or anything.
Well, my rational is;
There isnt a functioning brain for a while. What is there is no more advanced than germs we kill with Clorox on a daily basis. It progresses and becomes more advanced, but far less so than the “pests” we kill on a regular basis, for no other reason than they are inconvenient to our way of life. (Think anything from a cockroach to an opossum). Now, where this all sits during a trimester is a bit gray to me. I personally believe there should be a cut off. I think first trimester only is great, actually. It gives the woman 3 months to figure out, cope, and plan. Before the conceived embryo has the ability to form anything one could remotely conceive as a higher intelligence.
I’ll be honest, I’m more morally driven than religiously or even scientifically. I truly believe the first trimester is the lesser of 2 evils, and the most all around humane way to handle the situation.
Did you really just use the Supreme Court which is where the decision for legalized abortion stems from to make a point about…I’m sorry I have no idea what you’re even trying to say here. I just think it’s fucking hilarious that the Supreme Court which created the ruling giving what you hate so much is your ammo for whatever you’re trying to say.
Are you wiser than the Supreme Court? Am I being elaborately trolled? If I didn’t know your history I would give kudos but somehow you’re serious.
Birth control prevents unwanted pregnancies. Other than the life of the mother unwanted pregnancies are the only times abortion happens.
I don’t care for the semantics arguments on if condoms and the pill are murdering babies or whatever point you continue to try to make.
If you think abortion ends one life generally that is fine. I’m not going to fight you on that as others have already stated similar things to me. If you would like the act to have a much higher chance of taking two life’s make abortion illegal. If you want the number of abortions to drastically go up fight against access, education, and use of contraceptives.
You’re attempting to solve what you see as a problem in a way that would increase the problem and make it less safe. That’s insane. Your basing this thinking around a supernatural being you have never witnessed. That’s doubly insane.
You’ve twisted or attempted to twist my position many times and I’ve been pretty consistent. You haven’t really wanted to discuss what I’m actually saying which is fine. You know what I’m saying is correct it’s just not something you’re faith allows you to think. You can’t think legal safe abortion, education, and proven prevention saves more “lives” (using that because I don’t want to do the semantics) because it goes against your faith.
Oh so we have that as a certainty it’s just the fire part we’re unsure of? Makes sense to me. Hopefully Catholic priests will spend more time thinking about if fire is a part of hell and less time covering up child rape.
I stopped responding, because every response was a response to a straw man of my argument. I am all for open fair discussion, but I can only make my argument so many times and have the a reply that addresses a straw man of my argument over and over every time.
Also, what sort of omnipotent / omniscient being would decide that of all things, faith is what decides if you get into heaven. I mean with that system we have Jeffery Dahmer and Hitler in heaven, but Ghandi goes straight to hell. Seems fair.
What’s right and wrong, better or worse, etc will not be completely agreed upon - I was just saying tastes can change drastically
I expect that promoting non-hetero stuff to a high degree will alienate many Muslims and Christians, but maybe that’s ok - zero sarcasm
This is probably correct. I know my parents (devout Christians) are upset at the normalization of alternative lifestyles.
My opinion is that being offended or alienated is a choice by an individual. The person they are offended by did not actually do them harm. A Christian may be offended by a gay person, and a gay person offended by a christian. What do we do here? I say we let them be offended, and take no action toward either group.
You seem to acknowledge this…
A common question, omnipotent/omniscient contrasted with fair, in view of stuff that seems unfair
It does not seem to be a fair question to be honest
Faith is not usually understood as a theoretical or philosophical position and is commonly understood to drive action
If Jeffery Dahmer was a changed man, imprisoned and unable to do much, I could see that
I believe I will exist forever though I will die soon. If I’m going to exist forever, I’m probably going to change a lot. Not only will my body die, my personality, mannerisms, thinking styles - they’ll change so much I think that it’s like deaths in some ways. I mean, I think that’d be a prerequisite for me entering heaven if that’s going to happen ever, because how I am now, I’d probably be a huge drag on the place
Maybe the same could be true of Gandhi
Maybe the same could be false of Jeffery Dahmer
It’s not for us to decide
It can be a choice but not always
I don’t know, it depends on context
Probably criticize or congratulate someone, hopefully for something more than being identified as gay or Christian
My understanding of end times stuff says one should be prepared for being alienated severely, and if it doesn’t happen that badly, great
Being prepared is not the same as giving up tho
All of this is to say that someone very much can be anti non-heterosexual stuff without hating gay people
Why do you view this as not a fair question?
It seems the faith part is relatively unimportant then? Seems like a round about way of doing things if certain actions are what are desired.
It seems that religious people (at least in the US) do about as many undesirable things as the non-religious, so I am not convinced that faith has been driving them to better actions. In fact, atheists are extremely underrepresented in federal penitentiaries. They are around 40X less likely to end up in prison than the general population in the US (0.1% vs 4.4%). The data is self reported, so debate exists around people not reporting being an atheist.
Who is more moral, the person who does a good deed with the belief that they will be rewarded for it, or the person who does a good deed thinking they will never get anything in return for it?
If god exists that is true. However, I think we have a good understanding on fair or unfair. a god can do as he/she pleases, but I am not willing to call it fair.
I agree with this. I guess I don’t care if it is a choice or not in this case.
Omnipotent/omniscient contrasted with anything doesn’t make sense to me
Two things:
No, faith is the foundation, it’s more important than the acts themselves. If you think on a timeframe of eternity it would make sense. Acts are like fruits from a faith tree
I understand you’re probably not much interested in my opinions of eternity, what’s important is this life.
The first guy - he will last longer
The first guy purifies himself indefinitely
The second guy is too pure for that
In my potentially flawed view, thanks for asking