Because God is so great and powerful we can’t question him or some nonsense. Also God was cool with the whole murder your child psych just kidding.
Raped women though…those are the horrific people making their own decisions that must be stopped. We know better than them and we must control them.
He was also cool with the sacrifice your child, and not stop the act at the end. The story of Jephthah in the book of Judges describes Jephthah making a vow to sacrifice the first thing that comes out of his dwelling if he can defeat the Ammonites. When he comes home his daughter comes to greet him. He later sacrifices her after giving her two months to bewail her virginity.
H, please accept my apologies because I fail in this medium. Again, I’m sorry but also thank you.
As for repeating yourself; I thought you have previously never said this exact phrasing and this post clarifies my understanding of your position so thank you.
Do you agree with the following statement; “Every single time, without exception a new life begins from the earliest moments of conception when an egg and a sperm join?”
Is this directed at me? If it indeed is; what post did I miss in your response to #210? I asked you to throw out the “human” adjective so we might continue the conversation and I never heard anymore from you. Are we disagreeing on the definition of human? Here is the exact definition I’m using - “Of, relating to, or characteristic of humans” - pulled from adjective form, number one but two, three or four also work just fine; at the link Human - definition of human by The Free Dictionary
However if you want to keep the “human” adjective to define the unborn my counter-point to your not just a single human position is - a human will always beget a human, nothing else at any stage, ever. If twinning or anything else can result in something else other than another human, please explain to me your thinking.
I told you I’m not interested in those discussions. The when does argument has been done ad nauseam in this thread and others. People have discussed that with you but I know exactly where those go and nothing new under the sun there. My position on what we actually were discussing has been laid out numerous times now and hasn’t been addressed. Instead other items not related to what I’ve been saying have been attributed to me.
If you would like to discuss real world issues and how things currently work in regards to abortion that is fine and that’s what I’ve been attempting to discuss. Again I’ve laid out my position numerous times and I believe logic and history backs those positions up.
I’m assuming you don’t want to discuss those positions since you’ve avoided them and I’m fine with that.
I literally had two paragraphs typed out so that I might try and understand your position better. Suddenly it hit me; I have a far better idea. Please explain to me the absolute worst situation where you believe abortion is needed and therefore needs to remain legal in our Union?
Give it up, psycho.
That’s the beauty of science. It’s ever evolving, and as it stands now, to satisfy my rational, determined there isnt much of what could be considered a functioning brain, let alone high functioning.
Yes it can, these are the simplest forms of life. They literally have one goal. Science cannot fully explain migration patterns and other… hereditary memory… But it still has a basic understanding. Cells are very well understood however.
I do disagree with this. No matter where either one of us stand on the abortion debate, there is no confusion whether the child living independently of its mother is a developed human.
Yes, it does, however this isnt the argument. It’s not a matter of fairness, science, evolution, or cosmic speculation. At the end of the day, through millions of years of evolution, uncountable circumstances and true cosmic randomness, that child develops in the woman. Making a woman do something against her will, regarding what is happening inside of her body, is no better than slavery, and no single group of people have the right to determine that for her.
Hell if I know, I dont generally follow political debates. I hate all the fuckers. If this is their opinion, then so be it. I disagree, but they’re allowed to form it.
No. Because this is a completely moral debate. It simply matters where your morals lie. There is no right answer. Science cant tell us when it’s okay to stop life. Morally, you just have to decide at what point are someone’s rights worth giving up for the alternative option?
My morals stand with a (comparatively) short and concise time to get all your ducks in a row, have a talk with your God/inner peace; then make a decision, followed by a hard cut off to mitigate blatantly twisted end results. Is my opinion right? No. Opinions cant be right, but that’s the best solution that makes sense to me.
And again, basic cell structure. They are powered to complete the basest simple task. They are the absolute as far as basic life goes, nothing ranks lower. They cant deny or decide they dont want to, billions of years of evolution has had them reach this point.
You don’t need to type out paragraphs to understand my position. I have spelled it out for you numerous times. What you need to do is read what I’ve posted and decide if you would like to reply to what I’ve posted.
You haven’t been too interested in addressing my previous posts and have asked different questions and attempted to shift from what I’ve been saying.
Don’t post questions towards me until you’ve read my posts and then formulate a question or make a response to my numerous posts in this thread. Only my ones since the bump I don’t remember nor care to address year old posts of mine in here.
Rape and the life of the mother. Making abortion illegal won’t stop it from occurring. It will simply make the procedure drastically more unsafe. You can read (or dismiss as you did earlier) numerous historical facts to back this up.
The items that will prevent abortions from happening you are against. So you can tell me your pro-life and I will believe you. But you’re actually more pro abortion than I would be because doing things the way you think they should be done will lead to more abortions (whether legal or illegal).
You’re ideas are more “pro-death” to use your term. You subscribe to ideas that will lead to more unwanted pregnancies which will increase abortion. You subscribe to ideas that are more likely to kill the mother during the procedure.
Few things could be as detrimental to healthy children, mothers, and families as what you propose. If I believed in God I would pray for him to keep the damage from what you propose from being done.
It wouldn’t stop it from occurring in every instance, but the hope(I presume) is that the increased danger(physical…and legal?) to the mother will reduce the number of abortions. Abortions aren’t safe for the baby in any case.
Life isn’t safe for a baby.
Perhaps. But the statistics from history don’t back this up as being the case. The country with the lowest number of abortions has it as being legal. If abortion is always unsafe for the baby is making it more unsafe for the mother truly being pro-life?
Either way getting rid of contraceptives would lead to a large increase in the number of unwanted children and therefore abortion. So does fighting against comprehensive sex education.
I’m all for getting the number of abortions performed as low as possible. It’s just kneedragger and those who think like them promote ideas that will have the opposite effect.
It also seems to me that a lot of the people who want abortion to fully end fight against things that help children and families such as health care, education, financial assistance, etc. No one wants to pay for these things but a raped 14 year old is going to need assistance. This is why I sometimes use the term pro-birth and not pro-life. It’s like these people want every kid born but the moment they are out it’s not our job to help take care of them.
Abortion is an issue about which I care very little; however, I found these:
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/abortion-rates-by-country/
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/People/Abortion/Abortion-rate
Even though I’ve posted a lot in here it’s not an issue I deeply think about. Most of my issue centers around the fact that a lot of those who want it to be illegal also support positions that will increase the need. And a place where more abortions are going to be desired is going to be a less safe place for mothers.
Also I think it is highly hypocritical to want every child to be born but have no desire to support funding and programs which will take care of these unwanted children.
But as I said I would like the abortion rate to be as low as possible and I support measures that I believe make that more likely than kneedragger saying people shouldn’t fuck if they don’t want kids. “No need for birth control everyone just wait until they are married and financially stable and all is good!” Those positions are moronic and defy logic.
@mnben87 sorry didnt link it first time
Mental gymnastics. Since god causes the woman to miscarry that is okay? This particular apologetic admits that we don’t actually know what the verses mean. I guess we just mold it until it matches our values?
It seems that if god thought all of this stuff was important that he would have made things clear? Why not just lay out morality in a way in which interpretation is not necessary. I guess we can’t understand gods ways.
If a bear eats a pregnant woman, has it committed a sin?
I’ll put my opinion here
I honestly have no problem with abortion under the vast majority of circumstances… I believe a woman should have choice over what she does with her own body… The embryo and developing foetus isn’t what I’d consider a conscious being, one can argue with me that its a living being, and it is… however when I think about the reason a woman is getting an abortion it’s typically because
One must also take into account the quality of life issues that may be present with the child… firstly, if the mother is say
the baby may come out deformed and/or with a dependence for varying substances.
If the mother is
The child may be neglected, one can say “put the baby up for adoption”… but if the woman is young, say below age twenty, going through pregnancy could be potentially life threatening, granted statistically the under 19 age group accounts for only 10 percent of all abortions conducted legally within the United States. It should also be noted women don’t like getting abortions, and the stigma, psychological strain and protestors outside the clinics put tremendous emotional strain on the woman, thats why in Aus we have a law passed prohibiting protestors from being within 150m from an abortion centre… no one wants to hear they’re going to hell when they’re wrestling with one of the most psychologically exhausting decisions of their life…
The argument “some will be reckless, have abortion after abortion”… and yes, I’ve actually heard this argument from peers my age who identify as radically right wing… Unless you’re a fucking psychopath, this won’t be the case… however if this actually DID happen I’d agree that abortion would be out of the question.
In terms of financial instability, regardless of age one may be unable to afford the costs associated with healthcare stemming from pregnancy. Furthermore, birth control isn’t foolproof, condoms break, the pill is only 99.7% effective when taken as directed… there’s margin for error, to say “well you got pregnant, that’s you’re fault” is ludicrous
I wouldn’t say I’m particularly educated regarding this issue, far less so than say a politician or medical professional… but personally I find the religious ideology regarding why one shouldn’t abort a child to be defunct, lacking validity… that’s just my opinion however as I dislike organised religion, I don’t disrespect or harbour any judgement to those who think abortion should be banned because of Jesus, Allah or the Torah (though the Torah actually permits abortion under special circumstances, in the bible the notion of “the babies life first” is put forward, in the Torah it’s “put the mothers life first unless the baby is physically out of the mother i.e… she’s already given birth”… I went to a Jewish school and was thus forced to study scripture for a year…
What I do have a problem with is when you protest and degrade/insult an already emotionally distressed women outside of an abortion clinic… I think thats inappropriate…
Furthermore, I’ve seen the ultrasounds, how abortions are performed, the “nosies” coming from the foetus (as in pro life films like “the silent scream”… which has been debunked by the medical community)
These reasons make me think perhaps the termination of a lifeform that hasn’t yet formed any fully fledged long term memories may be justified if
Grandma shoulda kept them legs closed!