The Abortion Thread II

[mnben87]

@KneeDragger_79

'that twinning is not really understood all that well"; and this .03% of babies is justification to slaughter them??

This is a non sequitur. The argument is that they are not individuals, and a non-individual is not granted rights.

@KneeDragger_79

Man up and say you want to abort a human baby through all nine months simply you want to have consequence free sex and use the woman for her anatomy.

I have in no way said that. I have been proposing thought experiments trying to get critical thought in response.

@KneeDragger_79

What other area of human life allows for a person to NOT be held responsible for their actions?

A republican controlled senate impeachment trial for one. Just joking around here.

A woman who gets an abortion IS being responsible for her actions. She is taking action to increase her well being.

Additionally, you still need to show that a woman is indeed responsible to support another person’s life.

@KneeDragger_79

Where is this forum rule I’m supposedly breaking?

You are not breaking any rules. I just don’t understand why you would continue to format your arguments in a way that makes you hard to understand.

[KneeDragger_79]

Alright I found the data that shows what I’m trying to convey. Here is a table - https://www.rxlist.com/depo-subq-provera-drug.htm#indications - Using their numbers there were three hundred out of a thousand women who got pregnant while on depo-pravera. An intra-muscular shot can’t really be be done wrong that often, hence the numbers are the same so that means the shot has to allow pregnancy because there were three hundred in the group who got pregnant.

If you want me to find the quote then I will but abortion is legal because the action is a back-up for birth-control fails. I’m confident it was a Supreme Court Justice who said that in the nineties case involving Pedophile Promoters. But I don’t have that quote in front of me.

When a unique person is created and then killed by the contraception, that is why I am against contraception.

For your information I don’t have any of your “qualifiers” before my wife and I decided to start a family.

@H_factor

This is so stupid I don’t even know where to start. Give me a logical reason to be against contraceptives if you would like to see the number of unwanted children decrease.

No one has argued it’s 100% effective. It’s just way more effective than fucking and hoping. Or in your case no fucking before everyone is making 60k a year, has had parenting classes, and is old enough to raise a child!

You can either live in fantasy world or deal with reality. The choice is yours.

Here is your go to argument when you can’t justify the barbaric nature of a surgical abortion. Or is a saline abortion better where the child is literally boiled alive? Provide a video that shows me to be wrong.

Just to let you know, a pharmaceutical abortion is your best bet because there the young embryo is simply starved to death.

But you will have a reason to not provide evidence to your position. I look forward to it hearing your lack of complete thoughts.

@H_factor

This is your opinion and doesn’t counter what I stated. You think when a woman is raped and becomes pregnant you should decide what she does with her health. I think she should decide.

[mnben87]

@KneeDragger_79

When a unique person is created and then killed by the contraception, that is why I am against contraception.

How many times are you going to ignore the evidence that these are not unique people?

Unique people do not split into two beings. That is outside of the characteristics of a unique person.

If you want to argue honestly you need to stop saying things that have been pointed out to be false over and over.

[KneeDragger_79]

Californiagrown, these names are simply stages. See 198 for more stages.

@Californiagrown

Do you call cake batter a cake? Do you call a tadpole a frog? A caterpillar a butterfly? Were The Warlocks the Grateful dead?

Answer: no.

A parasite is another species from the host.

When my kids are relevant to the discussion, then we’ll talk about my family. Next you’ll want to know the size of my nuts and give me a prostate exam.

@Californiagrown

Imo, the woman can choose to do what she wants with her body, including removing a parasite growing in her. If you want to do something with that parasite after it’s been removed, go for it. How many adopted kids do you have?

[KneeDragger_79]

You are using twinning to justify abortion, right?

@mnben87

This is a non sequitur. The argument is that they are not individuals, and a non-individual is not granted rights.

What else is an abortion other than the direct and willful slaughter of an innocent member of society.

@mnben87

I have in no way said that. I have been proposing thought experiments trying to get critical thought in response.

Politics aren’t something I follow because we don’t even have a screen to watch. The House voted for impeachment where they have failed numerous times but the Senate is a different ball-game, or am I wrong?* ; )

@mnben87

A republican controlled senate impeachment trial for one. Just joking around here.

Say a single mother losses her job and she has a less than one-month old infant, is she allowed to kill the baby? What is the reason?

@mnben87

A woman who gets an abortion IS being responsible for her actions. She is taking action to increase her well being.

Biology mandates this.

@mnben87

Additionally, you still need to show that a woman is indeed responsible to support another person’s life.

The definition and purpose of my words never change, simply my order is different than others.

@mnben87

You are not breaking any rules. I just don’t understand why you would continue to format your arguments in a way that makes you hard to understand.

[KneeDragger_79]

You are the one arguing the legalization of abortion for something that happens to .03% of our population.

Remember I am using the adjective definition of the word, not the noun. For the continuation of this thinking, throw out “human” characteristic describing the unborn, what is your thinking on the other four traits?

@mnben87

How many times are you going to ignore the evidence that these are not unique people?

Unique people do not split into two beings. That is outside of the characteristics of a unique person.

If you want to argue honestly you need to stop saying things that have been pointed out to be false over and over.

[Californiagrown]

Should a woman have the right to give up for adoption her child? How early does that stop being a right?

Are you against the woman terminating her pregnancy, or against killing the fetus?

Would an acceptable solution be to remove (and not intentionally kill) the fetus from the mother at whatever stage of “life” it happens to be at when the mother wants?

[zecarlo]

That’s very Christian of you. The truth is you’re just some phony born again moron who has taken a literally holier than thou attitude. You disregard the true Christian values of forgiveness and understanding and instead think your beliefs make you better than anyone who doesn’t share them. Here’s a little reminder for you: Jesus didn’t hate those who crucified Him. The son of God wasn’t as condescending or judgmental as you. He also didn’t make people feel as though they were beneath Him. You’re a sinner too. That’s something else you’ve forgotten.

[H_factor]

So let me get this straight.

You’re against things that keep unwanted pregnancies from occurring? (contraceptives and no I won’t do your silly the pill, condoms, etc are abortions before we know about it). Against them knowing that other than the potential fatality of the mother it is the only time abortion would take place?

That makes 0 sense logically. I mean you’re free to think that no one here could change your mind. Your strategy to lower the number of abortions is going to be far less effective than what I propose. You know this is correct yet your religion won’t let you think anything else.

I also can’t help but notice that you didn’t even attempt to address the idea of abortion being illegal and what that does to the safety of abortions which will happen anyways. I mean we have tons of historical evidence so we essentially know it won’t stop abortion but it will make it more likely to kill mothers.

I mean you can prattle around until the end of time saying that people shouldn’t have sex before they are ready to have kids, that contraceptives are murder, whatever other things you would like. This will be good for pretty much no possible change in the number of abortions that take place. If you would like real world solutions that limit the amount of abortions I have provided you with some.

[zecarlo]

It should be noted that kneedraggers rape related pregnancy numbers are completely wrong.

[H_factor]

You’re just reading pro-death website and pro-death numbers. Statistics are pro death and 7 ate 9.

[squating_bear]

@mnben87

I am very skeptical that promoting homosexual relationships has any significant impact on the number of people attracted to the same sex. Maybe more people are open about it.

Many years ago when I was on this site much more and read all the articles I found myself getting attracted to muscular women. It popped into my mind one time that her arms are bigger than most men will get, and she’s attractive to me???

When I was a kid I liked sweet food, soda, candy that’s normal
When I got older I had a long phase of salty and spicy, that got more and more extreme as time went on. Sometimes I noticed the food was painfully spicy and my body was signalling me to eat moar faster, I thought in the false assumption that I would be having something like bread or milk to offset it
Reminded me of this

Dead Prez - Wolves (LYRICS)

Tastes change in time and chasing higher highs without even noticing can get really weird, I think you will change your mind on this that I’ve quoted below if you keep an eye for it
With one ‘correction’ to increase that likelihood

@mnben87

I am very skeptical that promoting non-hetero relationships has any significant impact on the number of people attracted to the same sex. Maybe more people are open about it.

Fwiw I disagree with the politics of the second half of the video, and blaming only one side in a problem is almost always another problem. But what’s said in the video might be very good for it’s target audience to hear, imo, it sends a message of not being a victim at least

[KneeDragger_79]

Here is an ad being banned from the Super Bowl

- YouTube

All while there is a transgender ad trying to normalize an abnormality.

One debases the dignity of human life while the both devalue life. Sad times.

[zecarlo]

Well, given that many football fans have complained about politics in sports (like kneeling during the anthem) this should be welcomed by them.

[KneeDragger_79]

After Kobe Bryant’s death last week, there is a #GirlDad movement. I’m not a basketball fan but there are stories that Kobe was a devout Catholic who attended Mass the morning of the helicopter crash. If he was in a state of grace when he received Communion, there is hope for his soul; something rare in the world of today.

While #GirlDad trends, US sex-selective abortion is on the rise

The above story highlights the nature of some immigrants and their deep desire for a son. There was a trend here with the citizens of America but I’m not sure what happened to it.

Kobe was the father to four daughters and he wanted more.

[zecarlo]

@KneeDragger_79

If he was in a state of grace when he received Communion, there is hope for his soul; something rare in the world of today.

You really are a judgmental little weasel.

[squating_bear]

Are you Christian?

[zecarlo]

More Christian than that born again creep kneedragger. How much of a dirtbag did he have to be in order to become such a fanatic?

[H_factor]

@KneeDragger_79

If he was in a state of grace when he received Communion, there is hope for his soul; something rare in the world of today.

If he wasn’t he burns for eternity in a lake of fire right?

And you have the balls to judge women who have been raped or may die for their decisions?

[chaoshander]

I had every intention of dragging this out, but work got in the way. However I’m glad I didn’t. I would have spent a lot of wasted time arguing without ever being able to morally play the devil’s advocate, and that’s no fun to me.

However I left with a bunch of questions and never responded, and that’s not respectful or productive.

@KneeDragger_79

The way you view women is objectively wrong.

Your thoughts about gay/trans people is repulsive.

Your opinions on sex and its repercussions is far too black and white, its uneducated, and doesnt remotely consider human nature.

The way you turn every retort around with another question, with or without putting words in peoples mouths is offensive, manipulative, and childish.

You’re online dialect is hard to follow, impossible to read, and completely voids any common etiquette of online communication possible.

The reason your religion gets brought up constantly, is because no one in their right mind would be so sociopathic, as to believe a single thing you’ve posted, without radical views of a higher power. I’m sure many people on this thread are religious, but you’re so indoctrinated by some cult like sect of your religion that even they cant find common ground with you.

You’re too blind in your own faith to even consider something as simple as another opinion as right, or ever possible. You are in a distinct minority of… 1? There is not point in posting these threads or responding to anything further in this thread. It’s going to boil down into another argument. There is no convincing (us) to see your point of view, and obviously we cannot change yours. Regardless of how aged and ignorant it might be.

I’ve truly never met a single person that I couldnt find at least one point of common ground with, until now. You have yet to post a single opinion, view, or “fact” that I could even pretend to understand from your side.