The 7 Billionth Person Born Today

Some people here are delusionnal when they think technology will solve the problem. Go spend some time in third world countries and you will see that the world can’t be saved.

Furthermore spending time managing ressources suck. It is better to not waste time and throw it all away so you can do stuff that interest you. Also there is no way in hell I will spend my life eating rat burgers in a overpopulated deshumanized city.

Soon I will buy very large land in the north of Quebec and start living alone by myself. And fuck you guys if a bunch of you want to enter those lands when society crumble in a not so long future.

Shit will fucking suck

People who think that an extremely large population on earth isn’t potentially disastrous are delusional. Problems ARE preventable, but only with change in technology and habits.

On our current path (wall of text):

  1. Fresh water is quickly being used up. Aquifers can carry populations through droughts… until they run out. Technological and habit changes can delay, or even fix problems with water shortages.

  2. There is plenty of land in the world, with plenty of dirt. The problem is FERTILE soil. Larger countries are already trying to prevent future disasters by buying up huge plots of fertile land in other countries, which proves that it is a scarce resource. People act as if they don’t know that. It also relies on water, which also happens to be a scarce resource in many regions. A lot of farms in California are being shut down by their owners, as the ability to supply them with water becomes more difficult.

  3. Technological advances are being made rapidly, leading to high-yield crops. The problem is that a lot of these crops are very picky, and require optimal conditions to grow. Also, it doesn’t matter how high-yield a crop is if there isn’t an ample supply of water for it to be grown. The hope here is that technological innovation can outpace population growth.

  4. Habits are changing, mainly because governments are forcing it upon an unwilling population. A lot of cities are limiting days that people can water their lawns and wash their cars, because, you know, watering our FOOD is more important than your crepe myrtles. Hopefully governments continue to buckle down on their citizens to enforce good habits that preserve scarce resources.

If there’s one common trend in the rise and fall of virtually every major civilization, it is a weakening that began due to the lack of resources. This lack of resources, more often than not, was caused by an overflow of population that surpassed the carrying capacity of the region. In today’s global world, our “regions” are way larger than ever before, but there’s still a foreseeable limit.

The world has never seen a population boom like the one that we’re seeing now, and this is during good years. The Earth has gone through many severe droughts that caused entire regions to be abandoned by humans. With the decrease of reserve underground water, the massive surge in population, and the possibility of dangerous drought years (for entire countries, even), problems ARE possible.

Cliff Notes:
Based on current trends, you would have to be a blind idiot to disagree with the fact that this rate of population growth has the potential to be problematic. Here is a simple formula for any that don’t understand this concept.
(dwindling levels of scarce resources + exponential population increase) = Potential problems

Seriously, some people remind of of the “global warming” skeptics that you would read about in the news 5 years ago.

Oh, and as for the “there’s plenty of food, we’re fine!” people… Hey I love living in a first world country too. It’s nice. Our population isn’t THAT bad (since birth rates are lower in more educated nations), and we have plenty of food. It’s like a paradise for us. We have just under 12% of the world’s population, but use just over 60% of its resources. I, for one, am content with being so well-fed.

Then you look beyond your own horizon and realize that many of the regions with the most uncontrollable population growth are the regions with the least resources, including food. “Oh, but that doesn’t effect me, I have enough food to get fat, so fuck it lol!” I bet you’ll be saying that when, because of globalization, the problem reaches our own shores. Increased war, terrorism, and even more economic strain are possible IF this problem is allowed to get out of hand.

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Some people here are delusionnal when they think technology will solve the problem. Go spend some time in third world countries and you will see that the world can’t be saved.

Furthermore spending time managing ressources suck. It is better to not waste time and throw it all away so you can do stuff that interest you. Also there is no way in hell I will spend my life eating rat burgers in a overpopulated deshumanized city.

Soon I will buy very large land in the north of Quebec and start living alone by myself. And fuck you guys if a bunch of you want to enter those lands when society crumble in a not so long future.[/quote]

Just that people have been saying that the world is getting worse for about 8,000 years.

Trust me, it’s not ending (and I mean civilization) any time soon, no matter how much worse you think things are than they were 10 or 20 years ago.

[quote]SLAINGE wrote:

[quote]grettiron wrote:
It is all protein at the end of the day! With modern food science some of these more sustainable sources could be made palatable for Westerners. Marketing might be more of a challenge but hey, if cigarettes and Shake Weights sell, rat-burgers can sell. Nicotine infused rat-burgers? It’s accelerating social acceptance through addiction.
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In Africa, the rainy season triggers the biggest swarms of midges on Earth to rise from Lake Victoria / Malawi. Massive black clouds rise out of the lake and are blown inland. The locals make best use of these swarms by catching them in nets and turning them into nutritious fly-burgers - get this - each one contains HALF A MILLION FLIES and is packed with 7 TIMES MORE PROTEIN than a beef burger.

I couldnt find the video (BBC doc) but it makes interesting viewing to say the least[/quote]

True. Apparently the protein from larvae and insects is extremely high quality.

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

Soon I will buy very large land in the north of Quebec and start living alone by myself. And fuck you guys if a bunch of you want to enter those lands when society crumble in a not so long future.[/quote]

I’m sure North of Quebec is the first place people will head in the event of a societal collapse. How would they get there?

I sometimes think the people that say the world will end or civilization will collapse/destroy itself are not actually scared of that happening but deep-down want it to happen. It will be the great leveler.

[quote]Nards wrote:
I sometimes think the people that say the world will end or civilization will collapse/destroy itself are not actually scared of that happening but deep-down want it to happen. It will be the great leveler.[/quote]

Hahaha or they want to sound bad-ass and fatalistic.

The world is not going to end because there are “too many” people. Things will change, sure, but we will be fine. There will be problems, but all problems can be solved. Pain and misery, too but really the history of man is nothing but pain and misery so who cares.

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

Soon I will buy very large land in the north of Quebec and start living alone by myself. And fuck you guys if a bunch of you want to enter those lands when society crumble in a not so long future.[/quote]

I’m sure North of Quebec is the first place people will head in the event of a societal collapse. How would they get there?[/quote]

The only way you can get there is to go trudging across the tundra,
mile after mile

[quote]grettiron wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:
I sometimes think the people that say the world will end or civilization will collapse/destroy itself are not actually scared of that happening but deep-down want it to happen. It will be the great leveler.[/quote]

Hahaha or they want to sound bad-ass and fatalistic.

The world is not going to end because there are “too many” people. Things will change, sure, but we will be fine. There will be problems, but all problems can be solved. Pain and misery, too but really the history of man is nothing but pain and misery so who cares.[/quote]

To defend my case: do I want to sound bad-ass? Maybe a little. Do I want this to happen? No. I think it is plain ugly and I don’t like uglyness.

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

Soon I will buy very large land in the north of Quebec and start living alone by myself. And fuck you guys if a bunch of you want to enter those lands when society crumble in a not so long future.[/quote]

I’m sure North of Quebec is the first place people will head in the event of a societal collapse. How would they get there?[/quote]

The only way you can get there is to go trudging across the tundra,
mile after mile[/quote]

That was pretty good. I was actually listening to some live Zappa as I read this.

Watch out where the huskies go…

[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Some people here are delusionnal when they think technology will solve the problem. Go spend some time in third world countries and you will see that the world can’t be saved.

Furthermore spending time managing ressources suck. It is better to not waste time and throw it all away so you can do stuff that interest you. Also there is no way in hell I will spend my life eating rat burgers in a overpopulated deshumanized city.

Soon I will buy very large land in the north of Quebec and start living alone by myself. And fuck you guys if a bunch of you want to enter those lands when society crumble in a not so long future.[/quote]

Just that people have been saying that the world is getting worse for about 8,000 years.

Trust me, it’s not ending (and I mean civilization) any time soon, no matter how much worse you think things are than they were 10 or 20 years ago.

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Glance through my earlier post.

I doubt that there are any normal/sane people around who thinks that this could destroy the world or civilizations. It’s that population that grows too high can, and often does, cause problems.

It’s not that the “world is getting worse.” There have been overpopulation problems for thousands of years now. Technically, when resources cannot support the amount of people, there is overpopulation. The current problem is that, once again in human history, we are seeing a potential period of population/resource ratio problems.

I’m not sure why some people are acting as if this is a “zombie apocalypse” or “rapture” claim. I guess that scientists and anthropologists aren’t considered a reliable source of information anymore. The fact that major agriculture schools across the U.S. (such as in Texas, Nebraska, etc.) are currently researching methods to vastly increase crop yield while reducing the amount of water required to grow them, in order to stem the tide of potential famine, speaks for itself.

^Queuing for ???burgers, Moscow (an overpopulated dehumanised city of sorts)

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Also there is no way in hell I will spend my life eating rat burgers in a overpopulated deshumanized city.
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LOL tell that to the patrons of every McDondalds in every large city on the planet

[quote]jasmincar wrote:

Soon I will buy very large land in the north of Quebec and start living alone by myself. And fuck you guys if a bunch of you want to enter those lands when society crumble in a not so long future.[/quote]

Dont go all Mad Max on us now, the apocalypse aint happening for a long time yet! Anyway I hear it gets lonely, you know, when your on you own n shit, way out in the wilderness with nothing to do but wait and stare! What ya gona do for shits n giggles? Who’s gona tickle your fancy?

Sorry mate but this loading up on guns, refining your leather making skills and learning to smoke moose etc. makes me laugh. The impending disaster, as nards stated has been impending since civilisation first came to be. Im sure even before this Paleo man (who’s sooo in now) was shitting his furry little pants about the end of his world because some clown told him so…

[quote]Mettahl wrote:
The fact that major agriculture schools across the U.S. (such as in Texas, Nebraska, etc.) are currently researching methods to vastly increase crop yield while reducing the amount of water required to grow them, in order to stem the tide of potential famine, speaks for itself.[/quote]

Its simply a supply and demand thing and GM crops are rapidly satisfying this need.

I am in no doubt that countries that can plan ahead are doing so with some urgency because they dont want to be left out in the cold ‘if’ shit happen (senvironmentally speaking) and for their growing populations - hence some 1st world countries buying up swathes of land in third world areas. But the impending apocalypse? Nah! However the people who are unlucky enough to live in the poorest regions of this planet would probably disagree becasue they face their own apocalypses on a regualr basis

Ten Notable Apocalypses That (Obviously) Didn’t Happen

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/Ten-Notable-Apocalypses-That-Obviously-Didnt-Happen.html

[quote]SLAINGE wrote:

[quote]Mettahl wrote:
The fact that major agriculture schools across the U.S. (such as in Texas, Nebraska, etc.) are currently researching methods to vastly increase crop yield while reducing the amount of water required to grow them, in order to stem the tide of potential famine, speaks for itself.[/quote]

Its simply a supply and demand thing and GM crops are rapidly satisfying this need.

I am in no doubt that countries that can plan ahead are doing so with some urgency because they dont want to be left out in the cold ‘if’ shit happen (senvironmentally speaking) and for their growing populations - hence some 1st world countries buying up swathes of land in third world areas. But the impending apocalypse? Nah! However the people who are unlucky enough to live in the poorest regions of this planet would probably disagree becasue they face their own apocalypses on a regualr basis[/quote]

Re-read my post. I didn’t say apocalypse anywhere. I also mentioned the problem of water supply, which is going to be just as, if not more so problematic than the supply of food.

Also, I said in an earlier post (something along the lines of) that us in the first world wouldn’t feel the brunt of problems. It would be third and second world countries that are hit by such problems. That makes it WAY more real than what us in the Western World would go through, being that we represent such a small percentage of the world’s population. The logistics involved in trying to feed the people already existing in certain regions is difficult. More population simply further effects this.

The “countries that can plan ahead,” as you said, don’t represent the whole of the human experience. I guess that’s a typical American viewpoint though. Don’t get me wrong, I’m from this country and I love it here (going to be fighting for it soon), but it bothers me how little some of us are able to look beyond our own borders.

I think that when people hear claims of impending “food shortage and famine,” they think of people running through New York City screaming and killing each other for a can of beans, then roll their eyes at that ridiculous scenario. In reality, a severe famine in certain regions of the world will be a repeat of what has been happening to the human race for most of its existence, and still is happening to many of us, but simply magnified due to the increase of the amount of people that could very well die because of it.

No population has ever been wiped out because of a nuclear bomb (well… not on a large scale, anyways!), or a zombie apocalypse, or a rapture, or some wacky Mayan prediction. MANY populations, however, have been wiped out due to a lack of resources such as food and water. I’m not seeing the logic in believing that this is a far-fetched story created by sensationalists and hippies.

[quote]Mettahl wrote:
Re-read my post. I didn’t say apocalypse anywhere. [/quote]

I know you didnt, it was a residual comment from my previous post. I’m totally on board with what you are saying.

Sometimes I think ‘some’ people feel comfortable being afraid. They need some sensational over the top bollox to believe in. Hiding out in the woods or building a nuclear bunker ‘just in case’ makes me wonder what else is going on in these peoples lives that drives them to such extremes?

[quote]SLAINGE wrote:

[quote]Mettahl wrote:
Re-read my post. I didn’t say apocalypse anywhere. [/quote]

I know you didnt, it was a residual comment from my previous post. I’m totally on board with what you are saying.

Sometimes I think ‘some’ people feel comfortable being afraid. They need some sensational over the top bollox to believe in. Hiding out in the woods or building a nuclear bunker ‘just in case’ makes me wonder what else is going on in these peoples lives that drives them to such extremes?[/quote]

“Bollox.”
That made my night lol…

But yeah, there are surely a lot of loons around. A great example is those who actually believe the “2012” prophecies. They’re too busy focusing on something else other than reality.