I’m one of those oddities who likes to train at 4:30 in the morning. At the moment, I take SURGE Recovery before and during my sessions, but I was curious if SURGE Workout Fuel is optimal for my situation. Essentially, my last protein intake is casein before I go to bed. Do I really need the sugar and protein in my SURGE Recovery first thing in the morning? I’m used to it, and it has helped me out a lot, but I’m open to change.
Hope it’s still okay, because I got excited and ordered some bottles of SURGE Workout Fuel without thinking. Ha, whoops.
[quote]dmulak wrote:
Hey, I was wondering if this would help for a competitive Olympic Lifter.
We dont do many “endurance” excercises per se bu our workouts are usually around 2-3 hrs long with alot of heavy weight being thrown around[/quote]
Then this product is absolutely necessary. When going from fatty to whatever I am not, Thibs programs were insanely hard in both volume and intensity. I would died (slight over exaggeration) if not for this product. It definitely helped me get through those sessions.
Just curious to hear how it affected any of the athletes strength levels that take it? I don’t really care about adding mass or losing BF, but just getting more explosive and stronger for grappling.
[quote]mmafan wrote:
Just curious to hear how it affected any of the athletes strength levels that take it? I don’t really care about adding mass or losing BF, but just getting more explosive and stronger for grappling.[/quote]
My squat along with all of my major lifts showed an appreciable jump within the first month of using SURGE Workout Fuel before every session. (The picture is 425 pound box squats for multiple sets of six reps.)
I’ve also found I have more stamina for my conditioning work at the end of my training session, whether it’s bike sprints and medicine ball slams, jump rope, or body weight circuits.
So I was trying to see how fast I could get my workouts in anticipating the product coming in by going to where I feel the puke in my throat and back off for about 30 seconds and keep going.
The result was I condensed my normal 1 hour workouts into 20-25 minutes of ball-busting routines. I can barely walk and mostly want to die and don’t think I could keep this up if I had to.
I work out 6 days a week getting in about hitting each body part twice. Sets are usually around 25 and most exercises are the more “difficult”. Bench, Squats, Deadlifts, Pullups, Dips, etc with about 8 sets of lessor difficulty, tricep push downs, curls.
Question is this: If this stuff works as good as it seems, and I can keep this up regularly. Could I up the sets to like 50 a workout? This seems insane and ridiculous but if I don’t get tired and recover like superman, why not workout as hard as possible?
I am a FFB trying to pack on muscle. In order to ensure that the majority of my weight gain comes in the right form (muscle), I tend to consume the majority of my daily carbs during the peri-workout window and the few hours immediately following training. I currently double dose SURGE Recovery for all of my workouts in an effort to pack in the calories during this time.
I noticed that Surge Workout Fuel is only 85 kcals per scoop and therefore am thinking of combining it with SURGE Recovery during training (as some have suggested earlier in the thread) in order to reap the benefits of SURGE Workout Fuel while keeping the added calories from SURGE Recovery.
My questions is, since SURGE Workout Fuel is designed with specific ratios of ingredients (ie. the “MAG-10” stack, etc.), would combining it with other drinks like SURGE Recovery “mess with the formula” so to speak?
Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
P.S. I ordered two bottles of this stuff last night and anxiously await it’s arrival so I can finally see what all the fuss is about!
[quote]Dan Thompson wrote:
I am a FFB trying to pack on muscle. In order to ensure that the majority of my weight gain comes in the right form (muscle), I tend to consume the majority of my daily carbs during the peri-workout window and the few hours immediately following training. I currently double dose SURGE Recovery for all of my workouts in an effort to pack in the calories during this time.
I noticed that Surge Workout Fuel is only 85 kcals per scoop and therefore am thinking of combining it with SURGE Recovery during training (as some have suggested earlier in the thread) in order to reap the benefits of SURGE Workout Fuel while keeping the added calories from SURGE Recovery.
My questions is, since SURGE Workout Fuel is designed with specific ratios of ingredients (ie. the “MAG-10” stack, etc.), would combining it with other drinks like SURGE Recovery “mess with the formula” so to speak?
Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
P.S. I ordered two bottles of this stuff last night and anxiously await it’s arrival so I can finally see what all the fuss is about![/quote]
Hey Dan, for best results, here’s what I’d do as an FFB (because, um, I am one):
Two scoops of Surge Workout Fuel before and during training. (That’s two scoops TOTAL, not four.)
Full serving of Surge Recovery after training.
Mixed protein/moderate-carb solid meal an hour or so after your post-training drink. Now, here’s the difference: make those calories up in this meal. It’s only about 170 calories.
And let me add this: as the original FFB (that’s “Former Fat Boy” for those that don’t know the secret handshake) there are no worries about gaining fat from Surge Recovery or Surge Workout Fuel. Just train hard enough to earn them and the carbs, calories, etc. will be “put to work” and not stored. Look at Gus and Chris B.'s before and afters from the Physique Clinic we featured in the side bar of the article.
As for mixing Fuel with Recovery, I personally don’t like dicking with the precision formulas, and mixing them falls into that category for me.
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For these clients, Biotest makes custom, no-expenses spared, one-of-a-kind, designer super-supplements.
The “secret” supplements we’ve been able to produce are, without question, the most effective legal substances ever made. They are shockingly powerful, extraordinarily expensive, and they have never, ever been available to the general public.
So, not to get greedy, but any info on these other super-supplements? Is there any indication if any of them will be available to “the nation” in the future? Besides SURGE Workout Fuel and, possibly, the mythic “Anoconda” I’ve never really seen any discussion about other non-available formulas that Biotest is producing.
[quote]Higgins wrote:
So I was trying to see how fast I could get my workouts in anticipating the product coming in by going to where I feel the puke in my throat and back off for about 30 seconds and keep going.
The result was I condensed my normal 1 hour workouts into 20-25 minutes of ball-busting routines. I can barely walk and mostly want to die and don’t think I could keep this up if I had to.
I work out 6 days a week getting in about hitting each body part twice. Sets are usually around 25 and most exercises are the more “difficult”. Bench, Squats, Deadlifts, Pullups, Dips, etc with about 8 sets of lessor difficulty, tricep push downs, curls.
Question is this: If this stuff works as good as it seems, and I can keep this up regularly. Could I up the sets to like 50 a workout? This seems insane and ridiculous but if I don’t get tired and recover like superman, why not workout as hard as possible?[/quote]
I wouldn’t necessarily double your workload immediately, but it does make sense gradually increase it to see where your work capacity limit is with Surge Workout Fuel.
Provided that all other basic training and nutritional ducks are in a row/all bases are covered, would SWF be appropriate for any level of trainee provided that money/budget is not a limiting factor for that person?
Also, would it essentially be that more is better with SWF, in the sense that the more volume you do/harder you work, the more benefits you will derive from using more of it?
Lastly, if Thib is still stopping by this thread, I would like to get his thoughts on combining twice daily workouts with a specialization phase. In his Q and A, he stated that such a combo would be overkill unless using a boatload of anabolics, but I was curious if SWF could make it possible for the natural trainee or if his original statement about being overkill without AAS still applies.
The current plan I’m on calls for some fast acting carbohydrates (like gatoreade) pre and peri-workout to normalize blood glucose levels and keep them up throughout a relatively short and lowish volume workout
Would the Surge Workout Fuel fit the ticket here, or save it for the future?
Also, if I’m doing a high volume, low rep full body strength training workout that takes a long time to complete and has long rest periods (like a Sheiko workout for example), would the normal 2 scoops/hour still be right or would I be ok with 2 scoops for the whole workout?
This seems like the PERFECT supplement for my normal type of training in this regard.
[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
Hey Dan, for best results, here’s what I’d do as an FFB (because, um, I am one):
Two scoops of Surge Workout Fuel before and during training. (That’s two scoops TOTAL, not four.)
Full serving of Surge Recovery after training.
Mixed protein/moderate-carb solid meal an hour or so after your post-training drink. Now, here’s the difference: make those calories up in this meal. It’s only about 170 calories.
And let me add this: as the original FFB (that’s “Former Fat Boy” for those that don’t know the secret handshake) there are no worries about gaining fat from Surge Recovery or Surge Workout Fuel.
Just train hard enough to earn them and the carbs, calories, etc. will be “put to work” and not stored. Look at Gus and Chris B.'s before and afters from the Physique Clinic we featured in the side bar of the article.
As for mixing Fuel with Recovery, I personally don’t like dicking with the precision formulas, and mixing them falls into that category for me.
Hope this helps!
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Hey Chris,
Thanks for the reply. I will definitely give this a shot when my order arrives.
After using your Double-Dose SURGE protocol, I am convinced that no amount of quality nutrients taken during training will be stored as fat, but I must admit that I still worry about the solid meal following training (although I probably have no reason to since everything I eat is uber-healthy these days).
Either way, like you said, it’s only about 170 kcals extra so probably not a big deal.
… and if for some reason I start to get soft around the waist again, there’s always the V-Diet, right?
Can’t wait until this arrives in my PO box Monday. I joined the USMA (U.S. military academy) Olympic weightlifting team, and we train 6 days a week, for about 2 hours long usually.
I am not used to the volume, that’s for sure. This training is on top of me running obstacle courses, running in general (sprints, steady-state), and building up my metabolic conditioning and muscular endurance.
Basically, I’m really excited for this product because I’ve been nervous about how my recovery is going to be. I’ll let you know my results in a few weeks, both in work capacity/general feeling and strength results.
[quote]K2 wrote:
I’m one of those oddities who likes to train at 4:30 in the morning. At the moment, I take SURGE Recovery before and during my sessions, but I was curious if SURGE Workout Fuel is optimal for my situation.
Essentially, my last protein intake is casein before I go to bed. Do I really need the sugar and protein in my SURGE Recovery first thing in the morning? I’m used to it, and it has helped me out a lot, but I’m open to change.
Hope it’s still okay, because I got excited and ordered some bottles of SURGE Workout Fuel without thinking. Ha, whoops.[/quote]
I train early in the AM as well. Have you tried the FINIBAR? I take 1/2-1 full bar prior to training and find it gets me through quite well. That combined with Surge Workout Fuel (I was given a test batch) solved the dehydration problem that comes with early morning training as well and makes for a very intense workout.
[quote]jeremy887 wrote:
K2 wrote:
I’m one of those oddities who likes to train at 4:30 in the morning. At the moment, I take SURGE Recovery before and during my sessions, but I was curious if SURGE Workout Fuel is optimal for my situation.
Essentially, my last protein intake is casein before I go to bed. Do I really need the sugar and protein in my SURGE Recovery first thing in the morning? I’m used to it, and it has helped me out a lot, but I’m open to change.
Hope it’s still okay, because I got excited and ordered some bottles of SURGE Workout Fuel without thinking. Ha, whoops.
I train early in the AM as well. Have you tried the FINIBAR? I take 1/2-1 full bar prior to training and find it gets me through quite well. That combined with Surge Workout Fuel (I was given a test batch) solved the dehydration problem that comes with early morning training as well and makes for a very intense workout. [/quote]
Also training early in the morning, would it screw up the formula/ratio if I added a scoop of Grow! to the Surge Workout Fuel instead of using a FINIBAR?
For weight training I believe absolutely not, and – depending on conditions – do that myself.
Where it would quite likely not be appropriate is for athletes doing hard endurance work where maintaining hydration is a serious problem that’s best not compromised in any way.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
For weight training I believe absolutely not, and – depending on conditions – do that myself.
Where it would quite likely not be appropriate is for athletes doing hard endurance work where maintaining hydration is a serious problem that’s best not compromised in any way.[/quote]
Thanks Bill! Ordered my Surge Workout and Surge Recovery this morning.
