ok so if i put it in a bottle with a screw top i can shake it then?
Just don’t shake it, turn it upside down gently until it mixes
[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
ok so if i put it in a bottle with a screw top i can shake it then?[/quote]
I just bought a bottle of Surge Workout Fuel and used for the first time today. I shook the hell out of it in a shaker bottle and let it sit for like 5 min. There were no problems when I opened the top (maybe because I let it sit a bit).
Oh, and I also pre-mix the liquid flavoring and powder the night before in my shaker bottle and just add water at the gym (cause I have enough crap to lug around, don’t have room for supplement bottles in my bag). Vigorous shaking is the only way it will mix properly…
I’ve just received my first container of the new SWF, and I have to say I’m impressed at how much more there is than the previous containers (and, as much as I’ll miss lemonade, the berry flavour is very good).
I have a question though: I’m doing a very strict diet right now. In order to preserve muscle mass, I’m doing full body workouts with low frequency, low volume, but high intensity (i.e. heavy weights).
The workouts are hard because I’m lifting heavy weights, but is it the kind of workout that warrants SWF? Or should I save it for my next bulking period, where I’ll be doing high frequency, high intensity, and high volume?
Thanks!
[quote]BCheron wrote:
I’ve just received my first container of the new SWF, and I have to say I’m impressed at how much more there is than the previous containers (and, as much as I’ll miss lemonade, the berry flavour is very good).
I have a question though: I’m doing a very strict diet right now. In order to preserve muscle mass, I’m doing full body workouts with low frequency, low volume, but high intensity (i.e. heavy weights).
The workouts are hard because I’m lifting heavy weights, but is it the kind of workout that warrants SWF? Or should I save it for my next bulking period, where I’ll be doing high frequency, high intensity, and high volume?
Thanks![/quote]
How long are your training sessions?
In the dieting phase I’m doing now, I do 3-4 hill sprints, which is 15 minutes including rest, and go straight to the weight room for 45 minutes or so, again including rest. About an hour total, but each of my few sets are as intense as I can make them.
In a bulking phase that number is usually double that.
[quote]BCheron wrote:
In the dieting phase I’m doing now, I do 3-4 hill sprints, which is 15 minutes including rest, and go straight to the weight room for 45 minutes or so, again including rest. About an hour total, but each of my few sets are as intense as I can make them.
In a bulking phase that number is usually double that.[/quote]
An hour of hard training is more than enough to benefit from Surge Workout Fuel.
I recommend drinking at least one serving, starting 15 minutes prior to training and sipping throughout so that you finish about the same time as your session ends.
When you say
Surge Workout Fuel-30 min prior
Then
Surge Recovery-15 min prior
Does that mean to down 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel 30 min prior and then down 2 scoops Surge Recovery 15 prior. Or are you saying start sipping Surge Workout Fuel 30 prior add 2 scoops Surge Recovery in 15 mins then sip throughout workout. As you can see im very confused as with what to do with the old protocol.
Help
Thanks
D
Drink all 2 scoops workout fuel 30 min prior. Then, 15 minutes later, which is also 15 minutes before the workout, have Surge Recovery. Put 2 scoops in with however much water you want (I like about 32 oz). Drink half of it immediately and sip the rest during your workout. I hope that’s clear. I’ve had major success with this for the first 2 weeks. (25 or so pounds on my squat)
Here’s a question that I haven’t seen asked or addressed. Maybe it’s 'cause everyone else already knows the answer…
Let’s say you have a calorie target for your days, whether it be for gaining mass or for burning off fat, or even just maintaining your lean body mass. You throw in your intense workouts and you also do the full serving of Surge Workout Fuel for the pre-and-during workout period, then the serving of Surge Recovery for post-workout.
The two Surge products are 280 and 380 calories each, for 600 calories right there. If my target calorie intake is 2000, then do I just then subtract out the 600 calories from the 2000, and spread out the remainder (1400) for the rest of the day?
…I’m sure it’s ideally more complicated than that, with macronutrient target amounts and probably nutrient timing/partitioning to consider…but is that at least in the right ball-park, that, basically, you have to figure the calories into your caloric intake equation?
[quote]zonis20 wrote:
Drink all 2 scoops workout fuel 30 min prior. Then, 15 minutes later, which is also 15 minutes before the workout, have Surge Recovery. Put 2 scoops in with however much water you want (I like about 32 oz). Drink half of it immediately and sip the rest during your workout. I hope that’s clear. I’ve had major success with this for the first 2 weeks. (25 or so pounds on my squat)[/quote]
@ModBrian:
I’m not sure if this has been addressed yet, but what is your take on mixing SWF and SR pre-workout. When the goal is hypertrophy, you persistently advise individuals to begin ingesting SWF 15 minutes prior to the workout and continue through the 1st half of the workout then begin ingesting SWF either the last half of the workout or I believe an hour after. However, CT’s recommendations are separated, as you already know, in that SWF is ingested 30 min prior then SR 15 min prior to the workout.
I have been experimenting with different timings for SWF and SR and have not found one yet that my body has success with. For instance, if I drink 1 full serving (2 scoops) of SWF at 30 min prior and SR (only one scoop) at 10-15 min prior, I seem to get lethargic, dry mouth, little dizzy, and tired during my workout, which indicates hyperglycemia. I’ve tried moving the drinks closer to my workout; however, I get the same result. I may just use half a scoop to see how my body reacts.
Do you think it would be wise to mix these 2 products?
And would you suggest try reducing the amount of SWF in order to prevent the symptoms I am experiencing during the workout, or just manipulate with the timing more?
Thanks for you help
Serd
[quote]Serd wrote:
I have been experimenting with different timings for SWF and SR and have not found one yet that my body has success with. For instance, if I drink 1 full serving (2 scoops) of SWF at 30 min prior and SR (only one scoop) at 10-15 min prior, I seem to get lethargic, dry mouth, little dizzy, and tired during my workout, which indicates hyperglycemia. I’ve tried moving the drinks closer to my workout; however, I get the same result. I may just use half a scoop to see how my body reacts.[/quote]
In this case, I recommend moving Surge Recovery during training and having only Surge Workout Fuel and/or FINiBAR prior to training.
If you are sensitive to this protocol, I’d eliminate Surge Recovery in favor of Anaconda and/or MAG-10.
ok so sorry if someone asked this before but the new Surge Workout Fuel contains 24 servings correct? thats what it says on the bottle, and the flavoring agent comes with 20 servings… this seems like an obvious design flaw to me
especially when the bottle says do not consume without flavoring
is there a solution to this?
[quote]Mod Brian wrote:
[quote]Serd wrote:
I have been experimenting with different timings for SWF and SR and have not found one yet that my body has success with. For instance, if I drink 1 full serving (2 scoops) of SWF at 30 min prior and SR (only one scoop) at 10-15 min prior, I seem to get lethargic, dry mouth, little dizzy, and tired during my workout, which indicates hyperglycemia. I’ve tried moving the drinks closer to my workout; however, I get the same result. I may just use half a scoop to see how my body reacts.[/quote]
In this case, I recommend moving Surge Recovery during training and having only Surge Workout Fuel and/or FINiBAR prior to training.
If you are sensitive to this protocol, I’d eliminate Surge Recovery in favor of Anaconda and/or MAG-10.
[/quote]
@ Mod Brian. I tried your recommendations out yesterday (1 serving SWF 15 min prior to training and SR during training) and it made a tremendous difference in my energy levels and the amount of weight I pushed around. Thanks for your input and the time you take out to answer all our posts.
Serd
[quote]ryancecil wrote:
ok so sorry if someone asked this before but the new Surge Workout Fuel contains 24 servings correct? thats what it says on the bottle, and the flavoring agent comes with 20 servings… this seems like an obvious design flaw to me
especially when the bottle says do not consume without flavoring
is there a solution to this?[/quote]
I can’t imagine someone using an entire bottle of flavoring with SWF. I don’t have a bottle in front of me so I can’t be certain but I would guess that serving on the flavoring bottles relate to Anaconda/MAG-10 instead of SWF. You don’t need nearly as much for SWF. I know everyone’s taste will differ, but I use half as much flavoring with SWF as I do with Anaconda/MAG-10. I used 1/2 a cap for two scoops and 20oz of water once, once. It was way too strong.
I have purchased a total of 4 Anaconda, 4 MAG-10, 1 SWF. I am on my last bottle of Anaconda and MAG-10 and about half-way through my SWF, I have 12 bottles of flavoring unopened.
[quote]ryancecil wrote:
ok so sorry if someone asked this before but the new Surge Workout Fuel contains 24 servings correct? thats what it says on the bottle, and the flavoring agent comes with 20 servings… this seems like an obvious design flaw to me
especially when the bottle says do not consume without flavoring
is there a solution to this?[/quote]
As another poster already mentioned, far less than 1 serving of Biotest Intensified Liquid Flavoring is required for each serving of Surge Workout Fuel.
I use about 1 mL of flavoring per serving of Surge Workout Fuel.
Kinda late to the party here, wanted to share my feelings on the new forumla.
The Intense Flavoring is very sweet. It tastes very much like the old Otter Pops, or Flav-O-Ice sticks I ate as a child. Yes, you can put more/less according to taste, but another concern is the ingredients of the flavoring itself (artificial colors, sweeteners, etc.)
Another word on the flavors - as others have stated, I will also miss the old lemonade!
Mixing - I first tried the “no shake” method as indicated on the directions, but merely stirring was not enough to avoid clumping. I then resulted to shaking the same mixture and everything mixed with no problems (no excess fizz, etc.) Later, I used a blender on a new batch and had no problems.
I’m happy to see each serving packing more carbs per unit weight, obviously since the new formula has no flavoring. And since the new flavoring is not for me, I’ve just been mixing the Surge Workout Fuel with a serving of vanilla protein powder (not as gross as it sounds!).
Thanks for reading - Razorguts
Hi Brian,
Can Surge Workout Fuel be mixed in the morning (powder, flavouring and water) refridgerated and drunk 8 hours later prior to working out or does mixing it prior affect the quality of the Surge Workout Fuel?
Thanks
[quote]dheeel wrote:
Hi Brian,
Can Surge Workout Fuel be mixed in the morning (powder, flavouring and water) refridgerated and drunk 8 hours later prior to working out or does mixing it prior affect the quality of the Surge Workout Fuel?
Thanks[/quote]
This is fine.
We’ll often mix it the night before when working with athletes that will be training in the morning.
[quote]Mod Brian wrote:
[quote]dheeel wrote:
Hi Brian,
Can Surge Workout Fuel be mixed in the morning (powder, flavouring and water) refridgerated and drunk 8 hours later prior to working out or does mixing it prior affect the quality of the Surge Workout Fuel?
Thanks[/quote]
This is fine.
We’ll often mix it the night before when working with athletes that will be training in the morning.[/quote]
No issues pre-mixing ANACONDA the night before either?