[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
dooes anyone mix there SWF with gatorade or anything like it? does mixing SWF with other drinks/carbs distirt its potentcy?[/quote]
I’m not aware of anyone who’s done this, nor do I see a reason for doing so.
I do, however, occasionally mix Surge Workout Fuel with a scoop of MAG-10 for use as an alternative recovery drink to Surge Recovery.
One word of caution to those that haven’t already used Biotest Intensified Liquid Flavoring – it’s very concentrated!
If in doubt, start with less than the recommended amount of flavoring for Surge Workout Fuel since it’s easy to add more.
I don’t understand. Why a new more expensive SWF. New stuff doesn’t have vit C? Can someone explain the difference and why this is better?
[quote]gabex wrote:
Ok. Sure the savings is nice, but you now have to spend $84 instead of $66 to save. And now we are getting an extra 22g carbs. Can the rational behind this be explained?[/quote]
Sometimes I think it’s a no-win situation for Tim when it comes to product sizes.
On one hand, some customers want the largest size possible to minimize cost per serving. On the other hand, other customer’s want smaller size packaging to keep the cost per unit lower.
Surge Workout Fuel now costs significantly less per serving and the formula has been modified with more of the unique carbohydrates responsible for much of the effects that hard-working athletes want.
If you’re carb-phobic, you might want to go with Anaconda instead of Surge Workout Fuel.
[quote]chazdaman wrote:
I don’t understand. Why a new more expensive SWF. New stuff doesn’t have vit C? Can someone explain the difference and why this is better?[/quote]
The new bottle contains 44% more Surge Workout Fuel, so the cost per serving is significantly less.
Vitamin C was omitted since trainees and the experts have widely varying views on the amount that should be used and when it is best taken. It was an easy decision to remove it since it isn’t something that directly effects work capacity.
Nice! Finally!!
[quote]gabex wrote:
Compare old to new
1 scoop = 30 servings for $33 (when buying 2)
85 calories
21g carbs
13g sugar
120g vit c
7.2g mag10 amino primer
$1.10/scoop
2 scoops = 24 servings for $42 (when buying 2)
280 calories
64g carbs
0g sugar
0g vit c
13g mag10 amino primer
$0.88/scoop
[/quote]
$33/30 servings = $1.10/serving
$42/24 servings = $1.75/serving
Dimensional analysis rocks.
Would it be possible to mix creatine with Surge without any interference?
[quote]gabex wrote:
Compare old to new
1 scoop = 30 servings for $33 (when buying 2)
2 scoops = 24 servings for $42 (when buying 2)
[/quote]
Correct me if I’m wrong but, didn’t the old stuff require 2 servings for 20oz? Now the new stuff is 1 serving for 20oz. So technically the old stuff had 15 servings if you are using 20oz for a 1 hour (if using it as recommended). So in a sense there are 9 more servings (for just 9 more dollars when ordering 2) with more MAG-10 (witch is pretty sweet btw) in the new stuff compared to the old (Witch is where the 44% more comes from I’m assuming).
Am I confusing anyone, I know I’m confused lol.
I’m not positive on this as I don’t have an old bottle. So, like I said correct me if I’m wrong.
For what its worth as a customer, my opinion on the “product size” issue is…If Biotest wants to IMPROVE a formula and make it cost LESS per serving then HELL YEAH! That is the definition of working hard for the customer. How can one complain about that?
My kool-aid is no more! Ah well rip old swf!
Will try this out soon ;D
Its about time and im already ordering!!!
[quote]Mod Brian wrote:
[quote]chazdaman wrote:
I don’t understand. Why a new more expensive SWF. New stuff doesn’t have vit C? Can someone explain the difference and why this is better?[/quote]
The new bottle contains 44% more Surge Workout Fuel, so the cost per serving is significantly less.
Vitamin C was omitted since trainees and the experts have widely varying views on the amount that should be used and when it is best taken. It was an easy decision to remove it since it isn’t something that directly effects work capacity.[/quote]
I don’t have the old SWF with me, but using gabex’s info:
1 scoop = 30 servings for $33 (when buying 2)
85 calories
21g carbs
13g sugar
120g vit c
7.2g mag10 amino primer
$1.10/serving
2 scoops = 24 servings for $42 (when buying 2)
280 calories
64g carbs
0g sugar
0g vit c
13g mag10 amino primer
$1.75/serving
What am I missing here? Is 1 scoop (1/2 serving) of the new SWF equivalent to 1 scoop (1 serving) of the old SWF, which would justify your claim that cost per serving is less?
[quote]Mod Brian wrote:
[quote]Efuchs7 wrote:
Seeing as how SWF doesn’t contain the dreaded CH… what would it taste like unflavored? has anyone tried it? Or will it too read DO NOT TRY UNFLAVORED???[/quote]
The new formula is somewhat bland with a little sweetness and tartness before adding flavoring.
I much prefer it with a few drops of Biotest Intensified Liquid Flavoring.[/quote]
Does it now come with the liquid flavouring?
[quote]decapsk8 wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong but, didn’t the old stuff require 2 servings for 20oz? Now the new stuff is 1 serving for 20oz. So technically the old stuff had 15 servings if you are using 20oz for a 1 hour (if using it as recommended). So in a sense there are 9 more servings (for just 9 more dollars when ordering 2) with more MAG-10 (witch is pretty sweet btw) in the new stuff compared to the old (Witch is where the 44% more comes from I’m assuming).
Am I confusing anyone, I know I’m confused lol.
I’m not positive on this as I don’t have an old bottle. So, like I said correct me if I’m wrong.[/quote]
It doesn’t make sense to compare servings based on the amount of fluid recommend since you can easily alter the concentration with new formula without affecting its taste.
[quote]DreamTheaterFan wrote:
Would it be possible to mix creatine with Surge without any interference?[/quote]
You can, but we usually recommend that athletes undergoing grueling training take creatine after training to minimize the chance of GI distress.
Of course, this is less of an issue if you’re simply weight training as opposed to running sprints.
[quote]Quicksilver0587 wrote:
[quote]gabex wrote:
Compare old to new
1 scoop = 30 servings for $33 (when buying 2)
85 calories
21g carbs
13g sugar
120g vit c
7.2g mag10 amino primer
$1.10/scoop
2 scoops = 24 servings for $42 (when buying 2)
280 calories
64g carbs
0g sugar
0g vit c
13g mag10 amino primer
$0.88/scoop
[/quote]
$33/30 servings = $1.10/serving
$42/24 servings = $1.75/serving
Dimensional analysis rocks.[/quote]
Scoops vs. Servings
$33/30 scoops aka smaller servings = $2.20 per 20oz serving (1 hour w/o) if used as directed
$42/48 scoops aka larger servings = $1.75 per 20oz serving (1 hour w/o) if used as directed
I may be crazy but this makes total sense to me.
[quote]Mod Brian wrote:
[quote]decapsk8 wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong but, didn’t the old stuff require 2 servings for 20oz? Now the new stuff is 1 serving for 20oz. So technically the old stuff had 15 servings if you are using 20oz for a 1 hour (if using it as recommended). So in a sense there are 9 more servings (for just 9 more dollars when ordering 2) with more MAG-10 (witch is pretty sweet btw) in the new stuff compared to the old (Witch is where the 44% more comes from I’m assuming).
Am I confusing anyone, I know I’m confused lol.
I’m not positive on this as I don’t have an old bottle. So, like I said correct me if I’m wrong.[/quote]
It doesn’t make sense to compare servings based on the amount of fluid recommend since you can easily alter the concentration with new formula without affecting its taste.[/quote]
Ok. I understand. Your right and make a good point. I was using the suggested usage not the overall contents.
My only point was: cheaper per serving + more of the good stuff = awesome for consumers.
[quote]Quicksilver0587 wrote:
[quote]gabex wrote:
Compare old to new
1 scoop = 30 servings for $33 (when buying 2)
85 calories
21g carbs
13g sugar
120g vit c
7.2g mag10 amino primer
$1.10/scoop
2 scoops = 24 servings for $42 (when buying 2)
280 calories
64g carbs
0g sugar
0g vit c
13g mag10 amino primer
$0.88/scoop
[/quote]
$33/30 servings = $1.10/serving
$42/24 servings = $1.75/serving
Dimensional analysis rocks.[/quote]
I was trying to make the point that I don’t understand why there isn’t the same amount of MAG-10 Amino Primer in 2 scoops of the new SWF as there is in the old SWF… and now there are more carbs in SWF… with the old formula, if I wanted extra carbs, I’d eat another 1/2 FINiBAR or whatever… now, I guess I don’t have to, but I’m getting 1.2g less of the MAG-10 Amino Primer…
[quote]decapsk8 wrote:
[quote]gabex wrote:
Compare old to new
1 scoop = 30 servings for $33 (when buying 2)
2 scoops = 24 servings for $42 (when buying 2)
[/quote]
Correct me if I’m wrong but, didn’t the old stuff require 2 servings for 20oz? Now the new stuff is 1 serving for 20oz. So technically the old stuff had 15 servings if you are using 20oz for a 1 hour (if using it as recommended). So in a sense there are 9 more servings (for just 9 more dollars when ordering 2) with more MAG-10 (witch is pretty sweet btw) in the new stuff compared to the old (Witch is where the 44% more comes from I’m assuming).
Am I confusing anyone, I know I’m confused lol.
I’m not positive on this as I don’t have an old bottle. So, like I said correct me if I’m wrong.[/quote]
For sake of the discussion let me put my 2 cents in. The new formula skips the step of assuming we are using 2 servings and just bases the nutrition facts off two scoops.
Old Formula: ($33 when buying 2 w/ 15 recommended servings = $2.20 per workout)
2 scoops for 20 oz is recommended so 2 scoops = 1 “serving”, at least accurate comparison
2 scoops = 170 calories, 42 carb (26 sugars), and 14.4 grams of MAG-10 amino primer
New Formula: ($42 when buying multiples w 24 recommended servings = $1.75 per workout)
Serving size has been adjusted for dosage, so 2 scoops = 1 serving now
2 scoops = 280 calories, 64 carbs (39 sugars), and 13 grams of MAG-10 amino primer
I’m kind of disappointed that the sugars went up and that the MAG-10 actually went down per serving (1.4 grams), but at $0.45 cheaper per workout its hard to question (on a per scoop basis this is a savings of $0.225 or about a 20% savings overall). The super hydration catalyst in both formulas is the same w/ 1.42 grams so no change there.
I do have a quick question is someone could help me out, the “quick-sustainable energy” portion has been replaced with the “hyperosmotic glycogen load” but the only difference is substituting the Palatinose with Isomaltulose. What is the difference here or are they accomplishing the same task?
Also if I’m wrong on anything let me know, I’m basing all my calculations off of the bottle sitting in front of me and the nutrition facts for the new formula along with the recommended dosages, but I could be off base somewhere.
Did you guys plan this around tax refund time?