[quote]JD430 wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Yes, thank goodness we are in the process of closing Gitmo - all we have to do now is figure out how criminal procedure works in the hills of Afghanistan when irregulars are shooting at our soldiers.
Do soldiers have to “knock and announce” before entering a cave?
Do they have to read Miranda rights to irregulars they swarm?
What kind of evidence is used at their non-Gitmo trial? to sustain habeas corpus challenges?
What do we do with the current inmates?
After the sentimentalism of “closing Gitmo” subsides, we face hard choices, and our options might be worse than keeping Gitmo open. Just don’t tell the Hope and Change crowd - who get sleepy and start rubbing their eyes when the hard questions come out.
Well said.
The Gitmo issue was always nonsense and “sentimentalism” as Thunder put it. I believe it stems from an absolute and total lack of understanding of the nature of the threat. In my experience, the urgency to close Gitmo is part of a larger set of beliefs about the radical Islamic terrorist that are completely false. Specifically, I am referring to perceptions like the jihadist’s grievances stem from Western imperialism and there exists some pathway of diplomacy that will lead to us sitting down with them at a table and working all of this out. That is a Disneyland view of the problem, at least when we are talking about the type of people that Gitmo houses.
Nobody is quite sure what to do with these people. There is in fact some guidance about the handling of these maniacs in US history(look up the Nazi spies captured in the US during WW2).
Seriously study the enemy and spend some time with someone who has fought against them(I have). I think you may reach the same conclusions that I have. A military prison on a far away island, surrounded by Marines, mines and sharks is exactly where they belong. If you are using empathy to put yourself in the terrorists shoes, as I suspect many left-leaning folks do, stop now. You are very, very different than they are. Don’t take my word for it. Read “Terror at Beslan”, complete with the rape and random shooting of 6 year olds, and your perceptions will be changed forever.
Our own sentimental weakness will be our undoing.
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Save your book recommendations. That people do terrible things is not a revelation, nor has it anything to do with what country they come from.
Americans committed various atrocities and slaughters during the Indian Wars including the killing of women and children. Hell, we even massacred are own at Fort Pillow, but no one put Forrest in jail, or any of the generals from the Indian Wars. Hell, they got promoted.
The fact is, this nation is not a nation of secret military prisons. If you’re giving child molesters and mass murderers trials, then apparently the brutality of the crime has nothing to do with whether or not there’s a trial.
I don’t “Put myself in a terrorists shoes”. But if you’re going to execute these people for crimes against humanity, then have a trial and execute them. If you have nothing on them, then let them the fuck go.
This is not a country that should have soldiers kicking down doors in foreign nations and putting black bags over their heads, and certainly not one that imprisons them for years without trials.
That Americans defend this is amazing to me.
