usmccds423 - question for you: If they were riding as I said, single file or two abreast as far to the right as conditions allow, would you have a problem with that?
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are they moving within 5-10mph of the speed limit? [/quote]
Probably depends on the speed limit and the type of road. If it was me on a flat road with a 20-35MPH speed limit there’s a pretty good chance that I’d be within 5-10MPH of the limit, if not at the limit. On a downhill I’d be within that zone for sure. On an uphill, probably no.
Really though it doesn’t matter. Bicycles are generally exempt from minimum speed limits in most places. For the motorist it’s probably a wash as a slower moving bike would make them slow down a little more before passing but also reduce the amount of space it would take to pass. In most places cars can pass bikes even in a no passing zone as long as they can do it safely.
[quote]CLINK wrote:
I have no problem with cyclists, because I don’t drive like an asshole.
Cyclists pay taxes and have as much right to the road as I do. We’re not talking about highways here… we’re talking about roads.
I feel the same when I drive through Amish country. Slow down and have some maturity and courtesy for others on the road.[/quote]
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Roads are built for modern transportation and commerce and not to support a faux tour-de-france peloton clogging local streets for hours every weekend like human arterial plaque clogging the arteries of the world. A lone biker using a street for transportation is one thing; a fucking pack clogging the road for hours every weekend is another. Whether its legal or not does not require me to approve of it or refrain from getting pissed off when I’m unreasonably delayed.
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I can generally get behind what you wrote. A lot of roads that are built these days include bike lanes because bikes are part of modern transportation for a lot of people. I also agree that people riding in packs that take up too much of the road aren’t doing the right thing for anyone. As I said to usmccds423 above, if I saw this a lot I’d say something to someone about it as there’s no reason to let cyclists get away with riding that way. Most group rides are regularly scheduled and are associated with a bike shop or team so it’s pretty easy to identify who the organizers are based on what they’re kit.
How long do you have to be delayed before it’s unreasonable?
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I’m being a bit mellow dramatic but in my old home town it just got old every single weekend. It was about 5 miles to the main highway from my house and sometimes with the packs it would be between 5 to 15 mph the whole way with cars just stacked up behind them; they came in waves and it was relentless.
I’m being a bit mellow dramatic but in my old home town it just got old every single weekend. It was about 5 miles to the main highway from my house and sometimes with the packs it would be between 5 to 15 mph the whole way with cars just stacked up behind them; they came in waves and it was relentless.
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I like the term “mellow dramatic” because its like being “melodramatic” but misses most of the histrionics.
Henceforth I shall seek out women that kind of need drama, but are kind of laid back about it.
I’m being a bit mellow dramatic but in my old home town it just got old every single weekend. It was about 5 miles to the main highway from my house and sometimes with the packs it would be between 5 to 15 mph the whole way with cars just stacked up behind them; they came in waves and it was relentless.
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I like the term “mellow dramatic” because its like being “melodramatic” but misses most of the histrionics.
Henceforth I shall seek out women that kind of need drama, but are kind of laid back about it. [/quote]
I’m glad my poor proofing skills brought you some joy. In my defense, weed is legal in WA, and that does fairly describe how we roll.
I’m being a bit mellow dramatic but in my old home town it just got old every single weekend. It was about 5 miles to the main highway from my house and sometimes with the packs it would be between 5 to 15 mph the whole way with cars just stacked up behind them; they came in waves and it was relentless.
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I like the term “mellow dramatic” because its like being “melodramatic” but misses most of the histrionics.
Henceforth I shall seek out women that kind of need drama, but are kind of laid back about it. [/quote]
I’m glad my poor proofing skills brought you some joy. In my defense, weed is legal in WA, and that does fairly describe how we roll.
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I did not want to be a dick, I really enjoyed it…
Seriously, think about how a person would be that is “mellow dramatic”…
But, yeah, you are right, most certainly a stoner…
[quote]Aggv wrote:
next time im out, im going to follow a group of spandex wearing homos and not pass them; just to see how much traffic can build up. [/quote]
That’s a straw man. No one is saying you can’t pass a cyclist or a group of cyclists. We are suggesting that you obey the rules of the road, which dictate that you wait until you have sufficient clearance to do so safely. In PA, a four-foot margin is required.
Also, I can’t help but point out the irony of calling cyclists “homos” for wearing spandex on a site dedicated to strength sports in which competitors wear either singlets (PL, O-lifting) or bodybuilding trunks. Really, dude?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Regular sight in MD this time of year. [/quote]
usmccds423 - question for you: If they were riding as I said, single file or two abreast as far to the right as conditions allow, would you have a problem with that?
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Yes and no. If they were single file on the shoulder or a bike path, no problem. However around here (west of Baltimore) the roads are very often hilly, windy, one-lane, no shoulder roads. This means traffic is forced over a double yellow to pass almost 100% of the time and you can easily come up on a biker around a corner or over a hill unexpectedly. It’s dangerous for everyone (mostly the biker).
I honestly don’t understand why it’s legal. We don’t let most dirt bikes on the roads. We don’t let most go-karts on the roads. We don’t let most 4-wheelers on the roads. Why do we let non-motorized bikes on the road?
Maybe I should get an electric golf cart for my commute. It’ll probably save me money.
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
Also, I can’t help but point out the irony of calling cyclists “homos” for wearing spandex on a site dedicated to strength sports in which competitors wear either singlets (PL, O-lifting) or bodybuilding trunks. Really, dude? [/quote]
Tell him!
This idiot posts the same homophobic crap all the time.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
next time im out, im going to follow a group of spandex wearing homos and not pass them; just to see how much traffic can build up. [/quote]
That’s a straw man. No one is saying you can’t pass a cyclist or a group of cyclists. We are suggesting that you obey the rules of the road, which dictate that you wait until you have sufficient clearance to do so safely. In PA, a four-foot margin is required.
Also, I can’t help but point out the irony of calling cyclists “homos” for wearing spandex on a site dedicated to strength sports in which competitors wear either singlets (PL, O-lifting) or bodybuilding trunks. Really, dude? [/quote]
Well said mate. To suggest cyclists are ‘homos’ because they have the audacity to wear clothing that reduces wind drag and allow them to gain greater speed (something which he demands that cyclists do) is beyond parody.
This is even more galling, considering it’s on a site which is chock a block full of photos of half naked guys who follow a ‘sport’ that has a sizeable gay following.
To everyone who is using the Speed Limit as ammo for the biker nuisance, it’s actually a limit, not a minimum speed. Unless otherwise posted, there is no such thing as a minimum speed.
Surprised it hasn’t turned into geared vs raw debate. If you wear gloves on a bike you are geared and use gear to be better at biking You are not feeling the handlebars in its natural form. I
bike everywhere. I use the sidewalks on narrow and busy streets because I rather live to pay a fine than die and have stupid memorials put up for me.
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Unless otherwise posted, there is no such thing as a minimum speed.[/quote]
Wrong, most states have minimum speed requirements depending on the road and posting isn’t always a requirement, and most states prohibit impeding the reasonable flow of traffic even without a posted minimum limit and you can get a ticket for impeding the flow of traffic.
Also, there are lots of activities that are legal that still make you a douchebag when you do them.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Also, there are lots of activities that are legal that still make you a douchebag when you do them. [/quote]
One such activity would be stomping on the gas to get around a cyclist, honking at them as you go by and cursing out the window, then slamming on your brakes at the red light 100 yards ahead as the cyclist coasts up next to you. Which has happened to me dozens of times on my bicycle. Probably more like hundreds of times, actually.
Look, of course I expect cars to pass me on the roads, and I (unlike many of the cyclists being discussed in this thread, those who form large and wide pelotons on two-lane country roads, which I agree is obnoxious) will happily ride all the way to the right side in the right lane as far over as possible to let them do so. But let’s not act like cyclists are the only douchebags on the roads.
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Unless otherwise posted, there is no such thing as a minimum speed.[/quote]
Wrong, most states have minimum speed requirements depending on the road and posting isn’t always a requirement, and most states prohibit impeding the reasonable flow of traffic even without a posted minimum limit and you can get a ticket for impeding the flow of traffic.
Also, there are lots of activities that are legal that still make you a douchebag when you do them. [/quote]
So on roads with no sidewalks just how fast should somebody have to walk to avoid being considered an impediment? BTW, you used the word reasonable. Is losing three seconds from your commute unreasonable?
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Also, there are lots of activities that are legal that still make you a douchebag when you do them. [/quote]
One such activity would be stomping on the gas to get around a cyclist, honking at them as you go by and cursing out the window, then slamming on your brakes at the red light 100 yards ahead as the cyclist coasts up next to you. Which has happened to me dozens of times on my bicycle. Probably more like hundreds of times, actually.
Look, of course I expect cars to pass me on the roads, and I (unlike many of the cyclists being discussed in this thread, those who form large and wide pelotons on two-lane country roads, which I agree is obnoxious) will happily ride all the way to the right side in the right lane as far over as possible to let them do so. But let’s not act like cyclists are the only douchebags on the roads.[/quote]
I’ve never, ever done any of the things you cited above to cyclists. I’ve only secretly wanted to. And, my beef is only with the pelotons–which I would not even mind on the occasional event–just not every weekend on the same country roads.
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Unless otherwise posted, there is no such thing as a minimum speed.[/quote]
Wrong, most states have minimum speed requirements depending on the road and posting isn’t always a requirement, and most states prohibit impeding the reasonable flow of traffic even without a posted minimum limit and you can get a ticket for impeding the flow of traffic.
Also, there are lots of activities that are legal that still make you a douchebag when you do them. [/quote]
So on roads with no sidewalks just how fast should somebody have to walk to avoid being considered an impediment? BTW, you used the word reasonable. Is losing three seconds from your commute unreasonable?
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Making me drive 5 to 15 mph for five miles on 35 to 40 mph roads is unreasonable, especially when it happens with regularity.
And, my beef is only with the pelotons–which I would not even mind on the occasional event–just not every weekend on the same country roads.