Testosterone is Dying: A Rant

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[quote]Miserere wrote:
derek wrote:
My brother-in-law turned down a free steak-on-the-grill dinner at my house to go get his fucking EYEBROWS waxed. (true story).

Next time this happens, call me, OK?

I’ll be more than happy to reschedule my appointment at the beauty salon for a free steak-on-the-grill.

Thanks, Derek![/quote]

You got it!

I think the arguement against guys wearing makeup in this society goes like this…

“What kind of man cares sooooooo much about how they look that they need to wear eyeliner. If a chick doesn’t want to screw me because my eyes don’t look just so without eyeliner, then fuck it, she’s not worth my time anyway.”

Then the arguement against THAT arguement is that “a real man does what he wants and doesn’t care what people think about it even if that includes wearing makeup.”

The problem with that is that he DOES care what people think about him. So much so that he wears makeup solely to gain attention from others. That’s not a case of ignoring other’s opinions, that CATERING to other’s opinions. Totally NOT manly.

It’s like the emo chicks (and guys). They dress like vampires with bad hair, bad makeup, bad manicures and bad jewelry hanging from thier faces and get pissed when you stare at them. They claim to not be looking for attention yet do everything possible to attract it.

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[quote]derek wrote:
Then the arguement against THAT arguement is that “a real man does what he wants and doesn’t care what people think about it even if that includes wearing makeup.”
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In my opinion, the argument against THAT argument is, actually, “who gives a fuck? Not me, why you?”

Thing is, I really can’t figure out whether or not some of you are upset over it simply within the context of using this fad to get some attention on T-Nation, or if you legitimately lose sleep over it.

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[quote]Fenris wrote:Me: Here’s a funny little ditty that ran through my mind this morning. I thought some people might like a chuckle.

Magarhe: Not me. I don’t like to laugh. What’s more, I think you are a whiner. Henceforth, I will proceed to use more words than your original post used to whine about you being a whiner. And I refuse to inject one iota of comedy into my post.

Me: Oh. Wow. Crazy, man. You whining about me whining is creating a hypocritical paradox, thus merging space and time in all areas. The only way to stop this is to parody your complete lack of a sense of humor as well as your hypocrisy, thus staving off this horrid “whiner’s paradox” that you have created.

Magarhe: Shut up! Your not a man because you whine! Shit! That means I’m not a man either! Dammit!

Me: I see this paradox is getting to you already.

Magarhe: Ancient men wore make-up! So do Africans!

Me: Hey. Great for them. That’s their culture, and I think it is a beautiful, wonderful thing. Wearing make-up for them is a part of their sense of identity and community. However, wearing make-up for the modern American male is evidence of our problems with identity and community- mainly that we don’t know who we are as people, let alone as men.

One of the reasons, in my opinion, is our lack of a defined Rite of Passage. Many of these people who choose to wear make-up are also people who live with their parents into their thirties. And it’s not individuality- it’s succumbing to a trend that tells men we should be more like women.

Because being manly is dangerous in this society, so we need to be pacified and feminized. Wear some make-up, put on some capri pants, and sit around “exploring your feelings” instead of acting on them.

Men are dangerous. We’re unpredictable. We’re proactive. We’re agressive. We work well with one another, but also tend to think for ourselves. In short- we elicit change and get shit done. That scares the hell out of people. The more that they can get us to behave like women, the more little boys that they can put on ritalin, and the more that we are told that all things “male” are bad for society, the less that they have to worry about.

To quote Nietzsche- “Great men, like great ages, are explosives in which a tremendous force is built.”

And then to quote feminist Gloria Steinem- “Men are like explosives: they are dangerous and beyond control, and need to be locked up for the good of society.”

Interesting, huh?

Magarhe: I… I… YOU’RE A WHINER!!!

Me: …sighs…
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Sorry, he’s right. There’s no whining, no hypocrisy, he’s just pointing out the flaws in your thinking.

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solution? Wear eyeblack instead of being gay and wearing makeup.

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[quote]Irish Muscle wrote:
kroby wrote:
Irish Muscle wrote:
the back of my pants smells like ass, hell yeh.

Um, shower once a day. Then the women won’t run away when you take your pants off. They do that now, don’t they? C’mon, tell the truth.

You don’t have to smell like shit. Or cologne, either. You can smell like… nothing.

why’d you have to bust my chops? I was just tryin to be cool on the internet.

Now i feel uncomforatble and i’m sure il have erectile problems because my ego is damaged.

I hope your happy, JERKWAD

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Smells like ass in here…and I’ll raise your jerwad with a ‘pig feltcher’.

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[quote]conner wrote:

In my opinion, the argument against THAT argument is, actually, “who gives a fuck? Not me, why you?”

Thing is, I really can’t figure out whether or not some of you are upset over it simply within the context of using this fad to get some attention on T-Nation, or if you legitimately lose sleep over it.[/quote]

I’m sorry, this was a topic that those who had an actual opinion about, posted said opinion. Forums can be like that sometimes.

Do you actually believe that since we have an opinion about a given topic that it must consume us to the point that we “lose sleep” over it?

Some guys just enjoy discussing issues that affect the world around us both small and large. Crazy us huh?

And since you don’t “give a fuck” as you put it, don’t fucking respond. Or are you just as hypocritical as everyone else who uses that flawed logic?

Simple really.

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[quote]derek wrote:
I forget, I kinda just skimmed it
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Firstly, I figured you would attack me, as it was you I was quoting. However, I wasn’t in any way singling you out in an attempt to be insulting. Your post was, simply, the most convenient one to quote in regards to me voicing my thoughts on the subject. No offense was intended, so you can go ahead and keep your apology so long as you put your dick on a leash to keep it from swinging any more than it already has.

Secondly, I suppose that if I need an “actual” opinion in order to contribute to this thread, here goes:

“Not giving a fuck” is, in fact, my opinion on the subject, derek. Like it or not, hypocritical or not, I just don’t “give a fuck” what another man decides to do with his own body. I know, I know, it’s crazy talk, but I just can’t seem to work up any sort of distaste for an acne prone guy putting on flesh-tinted Clearasil to hide his facial imperfections in order to give him a little more confidence out in the real world.

It’s simple, really: I am all for letting people do what they want to their own bodies, because it doesn’t bother me and, honestly, I don’t even really ever think about it. I guess you COULD say that I DO give a fuck, that I am PRO-MAKEUP, and if that helps you distinguish the line between us any easier, so be it, but I do not exemplify that trend, I do not champion it, I do not even think about it except for when I run across it in threads like this, with a coupla people screaming like aged dinosaurs about how they’re the last of a dying breed, Testosterone is dying out, and a giant meteorite of Revlon is screaming down upon us all to finish the job.

Fuck it, man, in the end I’m sure what it all comes down to is a few (I say a “few” because despite the hysteria, I really don’t bump into too many guys sporting makeup) trying to get some confidence through improving their appearance. There IS an ideal put out by the media as to what constitutes “attractive”, and I’m sure a lot of guys see makeup as being a way shortcut to achieving something close to that look.

They’re not doing it to be feminine, I’m sure a lot of guys who wear makeup do so simply to cover up pimples or other marks and don’t advertise it (in fact may even be embarrassed by it). I simply refuse to think it’s unmasculine to care about what people think of you, it’s HUMAN to care…and we just have some young adults who are more susceptible (or misguided) than most.

BTW, weren’t you the guy ripping apart a thread a few weeks ago because someone said you didn’t have an 8-pack? Were you the guy stalking CaliLaw in PMs a while back because he belittled your physique in some way? Shit, you even started a THREAD about it if memory serves.

If I’m correct (sorry if I’m not) then you, too, care about what people think of you (a great deal it seems). And though I’m sure you don’t wear makeup in real life, you’re definitely the Ronald-fucking-McDonald of Internet pissing contests.

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[quote]conner wrote:
derek wrote:
I forget, I kinda just skimmed it

BTW, weren’t you the guy ripping apart a thread a few weeks ago because someone said you didn’t have an 8-pack? Were you the guy stalking CaliLaw in PMs a while back because he belittled your physique in some way? Shit, you even started a THREAD about it if memory serves.

If I’m correct (sorry if I’m not) then you, too, care about what people think of you (a great deal it seems). And though I’m sure you don’t wear makeup in real life, you’re definitely the Ronald-fucking-McDonald of Internet pissing contests.[/quote]

First, whatever you quoted above about “I forget, I kinda just skimmed it” wasn’t me. No appologies needed thanks.

Second, if you feel I “attacked” you somehow, you may need to get your estrogen levels checked out.

No, it was NOT whether I HAD (in the past and hopefully again by August) an 8-pack vs. a 6- packor not. It was a debate over how naturally big someone can get while staying lean enough to have bodyfat percentage low enough to see the abs. The fact was- because you apparently missed it- that I could at the time that I weighed 260, see my abs. So you got that one wrong as well.

Cal-Law had, at the time, told me I must have the physique of an 8 y/o girl by the sound of my posts. I was called out and responded with a thread of my own with a picture of myself. I recall being commended for being one of the very FEW that are willing to post a picture to refute that call-out. We seem to have reconciled since then now that you seem to be so interested in me.

And you call ME a stalker? Ha! I got nothin’ on you. You seem to know my whole freaking posting history here! (yikes!)

Yes, I happen to to care about what people think about me. Never said otherwise. I just don’t care enough to wear makeup.

As far as your dick-waving pissing contests… You seem to be fixated on my genetalia. Hmmmmmmmmm.

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[quote]derek wrote:
Don’t get me wrong - I think it’s pretty cute that you think you can approach the Spartan ideal and approximate the toughness of a Spartan by being able to run a lot and do this nifty yet useless trick, while still paying attention to practical considerations, but I think you need to pull your head out of your ass on this one.

If you wanna say you embody the Spartan ideal, then you really do have to live it. Otherwise it’s lame. Really lame, actually, considering the ‘300’ craze right now. My suggestion is that you’d be better off joining the military, but, of course, you wouldn’t want to do that…you just want to play dress up.

So just wait for fucking Halloween.

Oh, but you didn’t. Shit, well, I’ll give you a hand on this one, ok? Dot #1 is his age/stats, Dot #2 will be his post total and the forum they all occurred in.

Ready, set, go: . --fucking moron-- .

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I had a couple of minutes before my hill-spint session…

It wasn’t to hard to find plenty of examples of your very own dick-waving pissing contests.

I think you’ve already admitted to being hypocritical so this wont matter much.

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[quote]derek wrote:
And you call ME a stalker? Ha! I got nothin’ on you. You seem to know my whole freaking posting history here! (yikes!)

Yes, I happen to to care about what people think about me. Never said otherwise. I just don’t care enough to wear makeup.

As far as your dick-waving pissing contests… You seem to be fixated on my genetalia. Hmmmmmmmmm.

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To start: the part about me quoting “I forget, I just skimmed it”…well, I KNOW you didn’t say that. No one did. It was simply my oh-so-subtle way of saying that I didn’t really regard anything you had to say as being anything worthy of careful consideration, hence my inability to recollect it in a quote. Honestly, (not even being sarcastic here) I thought that would be obvious, it’s not exactly an original move around here.

And, you’ve “got nothing” on me because I have yet to start a thread trying to validate whether or not I have a prepubescent body of the opposite sex… say what you will, man, but don’t flatter yourself about stalking - people who post whiny shit like that tend to be memorable in some way, shape, or form. I really don’t have that much control over what I find laughably pathetic.

BTW, I did NOT mention anything about “pissing contests” as you did, but I won’t crack a joke about sexual deviancies here- I’m just not that desperate to get in a weak parting shot.

I’ll save that for when I start my own thread about this.

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This is a big society and it is filled with many subcultures. I don’t think any of those subcultures should be told what they can or can’t, should or shouldn’t do - unless they are hurting others of course.

I don’t care if men start wearing makeup.

I do care if men start feeling they HAVE to wear makeup. Which I am sure the Revlons of the world will try to do.

I definetely don’t think anyone should be told what their opinion has to be. If anyone wants to think think badly of guys wearing makeup, that is fine. I think they should be polite about it though or at least try to understand it is a different subculture.

The OP seems concerned that the world is headed a less masculine way … this may be the case, who knows. Maybe it is just a fad. Certainly there are a helluva lot more fat / unathletic kids these days, or so it seems. I’m all for letting people do what they want but I am not in favour of people wanting to let their health go off the rails, especially children. I’d prefer that young males are at least given a chance to develop some strength and fitness early on instead of say, cruising through life and becoming some sort of girly-man.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Irish Muscle wrote:
kroby wrote:
Irish Muscle wrote:
the back of my pants smells like ass, hell yeh.

Um, shower once a day. Then the women won’t run away when you take your pants off. They do that now, don’t they? C’mon, tell the truth.

You don’t have to smell like shit. Or cologne, either. You can smell like… nothing.

why’d you have to bust my chops? I was just tryin to be cool on the internet.

Now i feel uncomforatble and i’m sure il have erectile problems because my ego is damaged.

I hope your happy, JERKWAD

Smells like ass in here…and I’ll raise your jerwad with a ‘pig feltcher’.
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I kinda wanna raise that to my nail clippings and ass hair, but I gotta ask the OP here if that’s manly enough for this homosexual thread.

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Aw fuck it. Do whatever floats your boat. Find someone that you can be happy with. The rest of the world can kiss your ass.

The End.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Aw fuck it. Do whatever floats your boat. Find someone that you can be happy with. The rest of the world can kiss your ass.

The End.[/quote]

Not bad. Not bad at all!

(despite all my previous posts to the contrary)

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[quote]Fenris wrote:
elliotnewman1 wrote:
Hell, even Mick Jagger and Stephen Tyler were sex sumbols at one point, and I don’t see guys rushing out to get collagen shot into their lips.

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What do you mean, at one point? They could probably get more women today then 99% of the men reading this site.

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You know what. While abandoning masculinity altogether is bad and all, I think what’s worse is the way the publics view of what masculinity is has been poisoned.

Movies like Fast and the Furious being blockbusters on one side of the coin, while Flight Club gets a bunch of Tyler wannabe’s COMPLETELY missing the point of the movie and starting their own fight clubs.

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[quote]Magarhe wrote:
This is a big society and it is filled with many subcultures. I don’t think any of those subcultures should be told what they can or can’t, should or shouldn’t do - unless they are hurting others of course.

I don’t care if men start wearing makeup.

I do care if men start feeling they HAVE to wear makeup. Which I am sure the Revlons of the world will try to do.

I definetely don’t think anyone should be told what their opinion has to be. If anyone wants to think think badly of guys wearing makeup, that is fine. I think they should be polite about it though or at least try to understand it is a different subculture.

The OP seems concerned that the world is headed a less masculine way … this may be the case, who knows. Maybe it is just a fad. Certainly there are a helluva lot more fat / unathletic kids these days, or so it seems. I’m all for letting people do what they want but I am not in favour of people wanting to let their health go off the rails, especially children. I’d prefer that young males are at least given a chance to develop some strength and fitness early on instead of say, cruising through life and becoming some sort of girly-man.

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Exactly.

You guys might be lucky enough to not see this on a daily basis, but I live in Los Angeles and work in the film industry and so I’m surrounded constantly by men who behave as women in every shape and fashion. The make-up article was simply a funny reason to rant about it. Again- FUNNY. To all of you getting your panties in a wad, chill.

I do not want to tell other people what to do or how to think. I am simply expressing MY opinion. However, I don’t think any of these guys wearing eyeliner are doing it to buck the trends of society.

They are doing BECAUSE society tells them they should- they same reason that most men are all waifish these days and afraid of hard work. THAT is what I am opposed to- society telling us that we should be more feminine and us mindlessly agreeing with it.

And as to the homophobe talking about David Bowie- yes, Bowie was bisexual. So was Alexander the Great. Deal with it. What makes these men MEN is taking charge of their lives and surroundings. Bowie didn’t wear eyeliner because society said that men of that time should be more feminine. He wore eyeliner because he didn’t give a shit!

That’s a far cry from the men struggling with their identites today wearing it to fit into the feminized norm.

And please- before you tell me what a “fag” I am for not agreeing with you actually read this whole post and respond to it- which no one has yet to do with my previous posts.

(BTW- I love how people keep saying that we shouldn’t tell others how to think- then call me a fag for not thinking exactly the way that they do. Again, hypocrisy)

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[quote]Sliver wrote:
You know what. While abandoning masculinity altogether is bad and all, I think what’s worse is the way the publics view of what masculinity is has been poisoned.

Movies like Fast and the Furious being blockbusters on one side of the coin, while Flight Club gets a bunch of Tyler wannabe’s COMPLETELY missing the point of the movie and starting their own fight clubs.[/quote]

Why does no one who worships Fight Club get it? Fight Club is brilliant! I totally agree with you- these kids actually need to LISTEN to Tyler Durden’s words.

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[quote]john2009 wrote:
Fenris wrote:
elliotnewman1 wrote:
Hell, even Mick Jagger and Stephen Tyler were sex sumbols at one point, and I don’t see guys rushing out to get collagen shot into their lips.

What do you mean, at one point? They could probably get more women today then 99% of the men reading this site.
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Agreed.