Testosterone is Dying: A Rant

[quote]pushharder wrote:
SteinJorgen wrote:
birth control pills doesnt break down when it’s “urinated” from the body, it goes into the system. and into the drinking water. there is also estrogen inducing (?) substances in alot of the food one buy.

For the record, maybe they recycle wastewater into drinking water where you’re from but it is not common in the U.S.[/quote]

Treated wastewater goes into the river goes down stream and into the drinking water treatment plant of the next community in many areas.


I “Double-Dog Dare 'Ya” to tell Marilyn Manson he’s not a Man…

In an old House…

In a Forest…

In the Basement or Crypt…

In the Dark…

(Oooooo!!!)

Mufasa

[quote]emdawgz1 wrote:
So i say to him “dude, your wearing capri pants?”

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My step-brother showed up at a family gathering wearing these once. But just once.

What the heck is the DEAL with Marilyn Manson???

Mufasa

[quote]entheogens wrote:
If a man acts feminine that is somehow interpreted to mean that he accepts the feminine. What a crock! Aping something does not mean that you appreciate it. It means that you lack the inner-security to be yourself. You have not found your center and are blindly following some fad, hoping to impress somebody and gain acceptance. [/quote]

Exactly. I am not typically viewed by others as arrogant. I can be quite the gentleman most of the time. But I am viewed by others as opinionated and aggresive sometimes. At such times, I can’t tell you how often people have seriously told me, “You need to get in touch with your feminine side.”

I usually try to work up a look of absolute contempt and respond, “I’m a man. I don’t have a feminine side.” And they usually walk away thinking I’m the one with the problem.

[quote]squatdude wrote:
“You need to get in touch with your feminine side.”

I usually try to work up a look of absolute contempt and respond, “I’m a man. I don’t have a feminine side.” And they usually walk away thinking I’m the one with the problem.[/quote]

All I’d say to that would be:

“So, having sex with a woman every day isn’t enough femininity?”

I see it like this… if you’re having sex, you don’t have time to apply makeup. If you’re applying makeup, you’re just trying to get closer to your desires, albeit in an odd way. Instead of getting girls, you’re trying to emulate them. It’s a sad state.

Let dudes wear makeup and capri pants. In ten years, they’ll hope that there’s no pictures of them, 'cause everyone will laugh. And they will.

[quote]Irish Muscle wrote:
the back of my pants smells like ass, hell yeh.[/quote]

Um, shower once a day. Then the women won’t run away when you take your pants off. They do that now, don’t they? C’mon, tell the truth.

You don’t have to smell like shit. Or cologne, either. You can smell like… nothing.

Marylin Manson does quite well

http://files.blogter.hu/user_files/3295/celebz/rose_mcgowan_sexy_06.jpg

and Dita Von-Tease are notches on his Iron spiked railing bedpost

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Time out.

The OP here… writes a whole rant starting with complaints that men are wearing makeup…

and, within said rant…

sings praise to David Bowie.

A man famous for…

wearing makeup.

Good job, genius.[/quote]

If one had bothered to exercise an attention span and read the entire post, one would have come across the rest of that statement- which reads:

"What happened to strong, assertive men? Men that accomplished things, men that did what they had to do without caring what other people thought of them? The list of these men of yore is exhaustive- Julius Caesar, George Washington, Martin Luther King Jr, and David Bowie, just to name a few.

What?!?! But David Bowie was completely adrogynous! He even wore make-up for Crissakes! Yes, but he didn’t do it because he cared what other people thought of him. He did it because he didn’t give a tinker’s cuss! And there in lies all the difference."

Which I would also say applies to Marylyn Manson.

[quote]derek wrote:
My brother-in-law turned down a free steak-on-the-grill dinner at my house to go get his fucking EYEBROWS waxed. (true story).[/quote]

Next time this happens, call me, OK?

I’ll be more than happy to reschedule my appointment at the beauty salon for a free steak-on-the-grill.

Thanks, Derek!

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
These guys ARE real men, doing exactly what they want to do and not giving a stuff what you think.

You however can’t cope with the real world. not very manly, I don’t know any women who would find it sexy that you can’t cope with some guy wearing makeup.

It doesn’t matter if you are built like a Greek God and rolling in cash, my guess is that if a woman heard you ranting like this, they’d think you either had no balls, or you were a closet fag.

No offense to gays there intended.

I’ve got news for you - a touch of eyeliner will do wonders for you pulling chics, far more than adding an inch to your biceps.

As far as I am concerned “being a man” means doing what it takes to achieve the end result, NOT whining like a little kid about how the world isn’t the way you want it to be and wishing everything would change to suit you.

Makeup on men is an ANCIENT tradition.

There are tribes in Africa where the men paint their faces several times a day, to attract women. In fanatastic designs that they remove in only a few hours to reapply another fantastic design. OK that is a bit over the top.

But my point is, the only reason men don’t generally wear makeup in todays’ society is because it has just gone that way. This is not an instinctive thing, if anything, it is the opposite. In nature it is often the male that dresses up for the female, not the other way around.

The only reason you oppose it is because you have adopted some stupid tradition instead of thinking for yourself.

The reason you are really angry is because I think deep down in your mind you realise what I am saying is true. You are trapped in your thinking and you see others have stepped out of false stereotypes and are getting results.

I don’t, by the way, wear makeup.

I think David Bowie said it best, something about how, when he made the band wear makeup, they were at first like “that’s all poof” … but then when they realised the effect it had on pulling the chics, they were all “where’s the eyeliner?”.

I repeat, what makes a man a man, is not whining about the world, feeling uncomfortable about what others are doing, and rigidly / blindly following stereotypes.

What makes a man a man and attractive to women, is being able to do what gets results in the real world, or if you choose not to, and do your own thing, be comfortable and confident enough to not be agitated by others around you doing otherwise.

If you doubt me, get some eyeliner, put on a really really subtle amount, go to a bar or something and see what difference it makes.

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Me: Here’s a funny little ditty that ran through my mind this morning. I thought some people might like a chuckle.

Magarhe: Not me. I don’t like to laugh. What’s more, I think you are a whiner. Henceforth, I will proceed to use more words than your original post used to whine about you being a whiner. And I refuse to inject one iota of comedy into my post.

Me: Oh. Wow. Crazy, man. You whining about me whining is creating a hypocritical paradox, thus merging space and time in all areas. The only way to stop this is to parody your complete lack of a sense of humor as well as your hypocrisy, thus staving off this horrid “whiner’s paradox” that you have created.

Magarhe: Shut up! Your not a man because you whine! Shit! That means I’m not a man either! Dammit!

Me: I see this paradox is getting to you already.

Magarhe: Ancient men wore make-up! So do Africans!

Me: Hey. Great for them. That’s their culture, and I think it is a beautiful, wonderful thing. Wearing make-up for them is a part of their sense of identity and community. However, wearing make-up for the modern American male is evidence of our problems with identity and community- mainly that we don’t know who we are as people, let alone as men.

One of the reasons, in my opinion, is our lack of a defined Rite of Passage. Many of these people who choose to wear make-up are also people who live with their parents into their thirties. And it’s not individuality- it’s succumbing to a trend that tells men we should be more like women.

Because being manly is dangerous in this society, so we need to be pacified and feminized. Wear some make-up, put on some capri pants, and sit around “exploring your feelings” instead of acting on them.

Men are dangerous. We’re unpredictable. We’re proactive. We’re agressive. We work well with one another, but also tend to think for ourselves. In short- we elicit change and get shit done. That scares the hell out of people. The more that they can get us to behave like women, the more little boys that they can put on ritalin, and the more that we are told that all things “male” are bad for society, the less that they have to worry about.

To quote Nietzsche- “Great men, like great ages, are explosives in which a tremendous force is built.”

And then to quote feminist Gloria Steinem- “Men are like explosives: they are dangerous and beyond control, and need to be locked up for the good of society.”

Interesting, huh?

Magarhe: I… I… YOU’RE A WHINER!!!

Me: …sighs…

OP great post! I dont care for make up, except on girls and even then only when its applied subtlely and in small amounts.

In my eyes theres nothing more unattractive than some girl with bad skin who applies 3 inches of make up all over her face. The best looking girls dont need make up.

As for men wearing make up, wtf? I mean, come on, i dont have the hours in the day to apply it, even if i wanted to. What am i gona do, cut my training session short, work less or tell my gf i cant have sex cos i need to put some make up on and beautify myself!..not likely.

This whole era of the metrosexual has pushed things too far. Good haircut, great clothes and clean fingernails yes. Make up, NO.

To back up the OP’s post i was out in town on a Saturday night with some friends and one of the female ones was dismayed at the state of the guys in the club.

She reckoned they were all gay, too much fake tan, skin tight trousers and, yes, make up! Now shes very attractive, so cleary these overly pretty boys were doing themselves no favours.

[quote]elliotnewman1 wrote:
OP great post! I dont care for make up, except on girls and even then only when its applied subtlely and in small amounts.

In my eyes theres nothing more unattractive than some girl with bad skin who applies 3 inches of make up all over her face. The best looking girls dont need make up.

As for men wearing make up, wtf? I mean, come on, i dont have the hours in the day to apply it, even if i wanted to. What am i gona do, cut my training session short, work less or tell my gf i cant have sex cos i need to put some make up on and beautify myself!..not likely.

This whole era of the metrosexual has pushed things too far. Good haircut, great clothes and clean fingernails yes. Make up, NO.

To back up the OP’s post i was out in town on a Saturday night with some friends and one of the female ones was dismayed at the state of the guys in the club.

She reckoned they were all gay, too much fake tan, skin tight trousers and, yes, make up! Now shes very attractive, so cleary these overly pretty boys were doing themselves no favours.[/quote]

In agree(obviously). My wife is an actress and always complains about what she calls “women with dicks” that she hasto work with. Every woman I talk to complains about this.

And I’ve got news for everyone: women don’t think Jared Leto is hot because he wears eyeliner. They think he’s hot because he’s a rock star/actor/millionaire. Hell, even Mick Jagger and Stephen Tyler were sex sumbols at one point, and I don’t see guys rushing out to get collagen shot into their lips.

[quote]Fenris wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Time out.

The OP here… writes a whole rant starting with complaints that men are wearing makeup…

and, within said rant…

sings praise to David Bowie.

A man famous for…

wearing makeup.

Good job, genius.

If one had bothered to exercise an attention span and read the entire post, one would have come across the rest of that statement- which reads:

"What happened to strong, assertive men? Men that accomplished things, men that did what they had to do without caring what other people thought of them? The list of these men of yore is exhaustive- Julius Caesar, George Washington, Martin Luther King Jr, and David Bowie, just to name a few.

What?!?! But David Bowie was completely adrogynous! He even wore make-up for Crissakes! Yes, but he didn’t do it because he cared what other people thought of him. He did it because he didn’t give a tinker’s cuss! And there in lies all the difference."

Which I would also say applies to Marylyn Manson.
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So why should these guys who are wearing makeup now give a rats ass what you think about men wearing makeup?

Thats the funny thing. When Bowie started wearing makup, I’m sure there were thousands of guys like you complaining about “What happened to manliness? I miss testosterone!” blah blah blah.

Now, a few years later, you praise him because he wore it DESPITE other people putting him down (the same way you put down guys today who wear makeup).

Hey, maybe those guys who are wearing it now always wanted to try it, but were too afriad of the reactions they’d get like yours.

So, by wearing it now, they’re actually “not giving a tinkers cuss” and are being, through your logic, “manly”.

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
… my guess is that if a woman heard you ranting like this, they’d think you either had no balls, or you were a closet fag.
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Actually, I thought it was pretty funny.

You realise David Bowie met his first wife because they were both dating the same man? He’s not just androgynous, he is bisexual. Or at least he was.

Marilyn Manson is very very very ugly without makeup. He should wear it at all times. He doesn’t do it because he doesn’t care what people think, he REALLY cares what people think. He’s deliberately out there to shock people and it is all marketing and he has done really well out of it.

I think we’ve got enough people/cultures who think they have the right to tell other people what they have to look like. There are places where all men must have beards. Where all women must cover up.

Sure those are extremes, but where do you draw the line?

As far as I am concerned people can do what they want as long as they are not walking around naked. There’s good naked and bad naked, I believe we’d be getting waaaay too much bad naked.

OP: I wasn’t having a whine and I didn’t expect to get through to you, but I do hope my points are picked up by other readers, instead of jumping on the mindless bandwagon.

[quote]cabre wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
… my guess is that if a woman heard you ranting like this, they’d think you either had no balls, or you were a closet fag.

Actually, I thought it was pretty funny.

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Or, they’d think you were pretty funny

Didn’t David Bowie have an affair with Lou Reed?

I agree with the OP.

And I would just like to point out a few points brought up by others.

It is true, men of old painted their faces. But I know the native americans didn’t call it rouge, eyeliner, lip gloss and concealer. They called it war paint, they wore it to get pumped up, they wore it in the hopes that it would demoralize the other side.

Not because they are so vain that a blemish concerns them. With the african tribe that painted their faces, they are elaborate right? So not really trying to emulate perfect skin, but trying to peacock. That is the difference, they are both expressing themselves, not concealing their face to achieve “perfection”.

Also, rock stars wearing makeup and getting chicks is a poor reflection of what works. Girls have always had a thing for rock stars. I am not saying that some chicks don’t convince themselves wearing makeup is “hott” but I saw a friend of mine do the eyeliner thing one night. And girls laughed at him. I am sure a few girls out thought he was “cute” but who cares?

I am personally boycotting the “style” of today. I hate the current style of clothing. I wear a fedora, I wear a trench-coat, suspenders, a tie and dress shoes, shirts and slacks. Some girls laugh, but fuck em, a good percentage of girls think it’s cute. Fuck em too.

More important than their opinions; I like dressing that way.

Don’t compromise yourself to attract women. In the end you will lose. Be who you are and make no apologies, how do you expect to be truly happy in life if you compromise yourself?