Lets stay on topic please.
[quote]rocktober wrote:
no,ā¦ he had a thick head of hair, and it started falling out shortly after test. therapy, he swears that was the cause, iāll have to agree with him, cause i worked with him every day , all his family has alot of hair on there head, but not him , he looks like a f**ing cue ball, he now wheres a hat all the time , if you pull his hat off , heāll fight yaā¦ lol[/quote]
You donāt go bald that quickly, and those that go bald on medication (not abuse) or with steroid abuse are predisposed in the first place.
.
[quote]KSman wrote:
Lets stay on topic please.[/quote]
Iāll do that hereon in.
I bought the ten pellets from Bioscrip for FIFTY bucks with my insurance. At first my insurance company was being a royal pain in the ass by saying they only cover testosterone injections, Testim, Androgel, and Androderm. My doc wrote a request directly to Slate and somehow managed for insurance to cover it.
Now on day 3 since testopel insertion, I remain a little sore though it isnāt limiting activity. I feel it when I bend over but not so much walking. There is still a good deal of blood coming from the incision. Is this normal?
I felt some positive effects on libido and mood within 24 hours of insertion- perhaps placebo.
Iāve decided Iām gonna keep exploring other options when the testopel runs out. This is not something I will repeat every 3-6 months. I canāt imagine the scarring on my buttocks after a few decades of this. Iām gonna try to post a photo of my incision site.
Sorry, but I see no forum or other info on testopel.com besides order info.
Why are guys on this forum so up tight and bitchy to each other? Then again, why should I expect anything else from guys with low T?
itās not all of us. although unfortunately, I too have gotten short with posters from time to time.
[quote]acuerpado wrote:
Now on day 3 since testopel insertion, I remain a little sore though it isnāt limiting activity. I feel it when I bend over but not so much walking. There is still a good deal of blood coming from the incision. Is this normal?
I felt some positive effects on libido and mood within 24 hours of insertion- perhaps placebo.
Iāve decided Iām gonna keep exploring other options when the testopel runs out. This is not something I will repeat every 3-6 months. I canāt imagine the scarring on my buttocks after a few decades of this. Iām gonna try to post a photo of my incision site.
Sorry, but I see no forum or other info on testopel.com besides order info.
Why are guys on this forum so up tight and bitchy to each other? Then again, why should I expect anything else from guys with low T? [/quote]
Then you didnāt download the PDF file with dosing instructions and product information.
Perhaps your doc didnāt do the greatest job. I had mine done Friday. There is some discomfort, but at my incision site, thereās nothing but a scab the size of a FRECKLE. My prediction is there will be no scarring for me.
Iām so relieved I donāt have to rub gel on anymore.
This is a video of my friend getting Testopel from Doctor Schoor in Long Island.
And here is HIGHLY detailed information on Testopel.
http://sexualmed.org/index.cfm/sexual-health-treatments/for-men/male-testosterone/testopel/
Update
So itās been almost a week since receiving Testopel and Iām doing great. Damn this is better than having to rub gel on every night.
Libido is fine.
Emotional, physical, and mental well being are fine.
Pain at implant site is gone.
I must have a body thatās easy to please.
[quote]acuerpado wrote:
Now on day 3 since testopel insertion, I remain a little sore though it isnāt limiting activity. I feel it when I bend over but not so much walking. There is still a good deal of blood coming from the incision. Is this normal?
I felt some positive effects on libido and mood within 24 hours of insertion- perhaps placebo.
Iāve decided Iām gonna keep exploring other options when the testopel runs out. This is not something I will repeat every 3-6 months. I canāt imagine the scarring on my buttocks after a few decades of this. Iām gonna try to post a photo of my incision site.
Sorry, but I see no forum or other info on testopel.com besides order info.
Why are guys on this forum so up tight and bitchy to each other? Then again, why should I expect anything else from guys with low T? [/quote]
Iāll also add why people get snappy and curt on here.
Well, I actually can go with my own reasons.
Although Iām sensitive and empathetic, I actually do believe that many dudes on here are full blown exaggerators and hypochondriacs! From the way they write, I should believe that tearing open a packet of Androgel will result in a volcanic explosion in which the gel flies all over my apartment and ruins everything, that Iāll actually engage in bizarre behavior like rubbing my bare shoulders and arms on my little cousins (donāt have kids) leading to transfer of gel, and that Testopel implant procedures resemble near-fatal stab wounds resulting in severe blood loss and physical trauma and that I wonāt be able to sit or walk for days or that pellets are miraculously dislodge through my skin.
They also want to feel like the bionic man just from being at normal T values.
Some dudes simply like to talk shop for bizarre reasons. Example: Men with perfectly normal T and other lab values coming on here and asking, āHow does this look?ā Meanwhile their T value is 600 to 1000! So this leads me to believe they simply want to strike up meaningless conversation out of boredom or that theyāre completely incoherent. Any grown ass man with half a brain can realize a value of 700 is high normal in a range of 300 to 1000! But theyāll still ask, āDo you think I should get me some T?ā
Other annoying shit: āMy T value is 600. My doc wonāt give me T. I HEARD/THINK (my favorite words regarding MEDICINE) that 800 to 1000 is the ideal.ā
What most of the stuff above does is actually undermine medicine. This isnāt a fucking āoptionā or some shit to PLAY with. Medicine is used for medical conditions yet we still have bozos having the mentality of āI THINK Iāll try it.ā Or āDo you THINK I should take it?ā Imagine if this mentality was applied to other drugs! "Do you think I should give Lithium a shot? Maybe Ativan? I heard the optimal level of Ativan in my blood isā¦ But my psychiatrist didnāt prescribe it to me because he doesnāt want me crashign my car in the middle of the dayā¦ "
Guys also like to talk shop even when things are going OK. Or they like to keep switching doctors or medications for eternity.
I also get annoyed from never ending bashing of doctors when there are competent ones out there.
I also get tired of KSman suggesting everyone on earth trying to get their estradiol levels down when theyāre not in his care because 1) medical care isnāt given through a computer and 2) heās not a doctor, let alone a doctor trained in andrology/urology or endocrinology or fertility. Other than that I have nothing against him and I know his intentions are good. Oh, his conspiratorial view on healthcare and docs in general irritates me.
Itās also annoying to see guys referring to TRT as a cycle. Uh, hello, TRT isnāt run in CYCLES. This is medication, usually a medication that has to be used for life.
Lucky you! Haha.
Keep us updated, Iām curious about how well it works in the long run, especially as youāre nearing the end of the implantsā lifecycle.
Amen to that. My TT sits at 140-150, and it makes me want to bash peopleās heads in when I see that sort of post.
While I think thatās a mostly valid point, please keep in mind that a lot of people here are trying to treat symptoms. Most people arenāt going around (I hope!) saying āoh, I want this much X in my blood because I hear itās goodā, theyāre going around saying āoh, I hear that this much X in my blood treats A, B, C, D, E, J, and S symptoms, and Iād like to try that and see if it stops me wanting to end my own goddamned life.ā I think itās significantly different - though youāre absolutely right that we need to be cautious and not throw medical knowledge and research out the window in favor of anecdotes.
[quote]Akaji wrote:
Lucky you! Haha.
Keep us updated, Iām curious about how well it works in the long run, especially as youāre nearing the end of the implantsā lifecycle.
Amen to that. My TT sits at 140-150, and it makes me want to bash peopleās heads in when I see that sort of post.
While I think thatās a mostly valid point, please keep in mind that a lot of people here are trying to treat symptoms. Most people arenāt going around (I hope!) saying āoh, I want this much X in my blood because I hear itās goodā, theyāre going around saying āoh, I hear that this much X in my blood treats A, B, C, D, E, J, and S symptoms, and Iād like to try that and see if it stops me wanting to end my own goddamned life.ā I think itās significantly different - though youāre absolutely right that we need to be cautious and not throw medical knowledge and research out the window in favor of anecdotes.[/quote]
Thanks.
There was a guy who came on here recently who had FULLY NORMAL lipid, hormone, and basic metabolic panel lab values complaining of fatigue and loss of libido. What was he suggested to do first thing? Try arimidex to get estradiol down! When in fact he could have somethign else going on with his body or LIFE that is causing fatigue and loss of libido!
We also need to be careful what we suggest. Most of us are in no position to suggest shit other than what doctors to go to.
I only share my experiences on here and try to lead other men to the right information and doctors in my area. I donāt recommend drugs or prescribe them! Iām not a doctor, and Iām conversing on an INTERNET FORUM!
Iāve has several people contact me and say, āI tried reducing my E2 because so-and-so said so.ā
All the while so-and-so isnāt a doctor!
They have also said shit to me like, āI THINK Iām ESTROGEN DOMINANT (Whatever the fuck this is defined as on here) because I tend to store fat in my abdomen.ā
My response: āUH, HELLOā¦ MOST peopleās āproblem areaā is abdominal fat regardless of whether theyāre hypogonadal or not or have eleveated estradiol or not. Ever heard of a proper diet and more exercise?!ā
Who got credentials to say someoneās āestrogen dominantā by looking at someoneās fat gut and then recommending to purchase arimidex from god knows where and self medicating?
[quote]Akaji wrote:
Lucky you! Haha.
Keep us updated, Iām curious about how well it works in the long run, especially as youāre nearing the end of the implantsā lifecycle.
Amen to that. My TT sits at 140-150, and it makes me want to bash peopleās heads in when I see that sort of post.
While I think thatās a mostly valid point, please keep in mind that a lot of people here are trying to treat symptoms. Most people arenāt going around (I hope!) saying āoh, I want this much X in my blood because I hear itās goodā, theyāre going around saying āoh, I hear that this much X in my blood treats A, B, C, D, E, J, and S symptoms, and Iād like to try that and see if it stops me wanting to end my own goddamned life.ā I think itās significantly different - though youāre absolutely right that we need to be cautious and not throw medical knowledge and research out the window in favor of anecdotes.[/quote]
Youāre at 150? I was crying in my docās office in my first visit at 240!
Yeah. On the bright side, I think I know now why Iāve always been irritable and nearly suicidalā¦
Oh, and itās relevant - Iām 23, and Iāve had two tests to confirm (TT @ 141 ng/dL at 10 AM, then TT @ 153 ng/dL at 8 AM a month later). Iām not a 60 year old guy whoās dealt with gradual decline of T. As near as I can tell, Iāve been hypogonadal for a very long time. Iāve been dealing with these symptoms since age 13, and puberty was slower than it is for most, though I did manage to go through most of it - my voice is still higher than most and cracks often, and I have a very youthful/childish appearance, e.g. baby fat in face. The slower puberty (and mild gynecomastia) certainly never helped my social development.
My SO made a great joke after we found out - āNo wonder youāre irritable, youāve been PMSing for a decade!ā Hah!
As for crying - Iāve been on and off SSRIs, SNRIs, etc. since I was 13. While on them, my emotions are more stable (unfortunately, they stabilize at āfeeling downā, not āfeeling goodā or even āfeeling mehā), so I havenāt had as much issue with that. Iām currently on 30mg Cymbalta, 450mg Welbutrinā¦ I went off the Cymbalta for a week and found myself getting upset and crying at the simplest things (just about everything my SO said offended me and made me want to lock myself up in my room). It sucks.
Iām hoping treatment helps. I rushed in to TRT (before researching it enough, e.g. finding this forum) and had one shot of 200mg a week ago yesterday. At best, itās done nothing - I havenāt noticed any improvement. At worst, itās responsible for me having very noticeably reduced energy, sleeping 3-4 more hours per night, sleeping through my alarm in the morning (I have never had that happen to me in my entire life, and I slept through it this morning - I slept for a total of 13 hours, waking up 2 hours late for work! Fortunately, my work is very flexible), and even leaving my car running while I was in the grocery store for an hour last weekend. Needless to say, Iām freaking out a bit.
[quote]They have also said shit to me like, āI THINK Iām ESTROGEN DOMINANT (Whatever the fuck this is defined as on here) because I tend to store fat in my abdomen.ā
My response: āUH, HELLOā¦ MOST peopleās āproblem areaā is abdominal fat regardless of whether theyāre hypogonadal or not or have eleveated estradiol or not. Ever heard of a proper diet and more exercise?!ā [/quote]
Hahaā¦ even if that is a thing, that explanation makes no sense. Itās fairly typical for men to store extra fat in their abdomen. If you really did have excessive estrogen, youād likely be storing most excess fat in the thighs, buttocks, and breasts like women doā¦ like me. 
What kind of doctor are you seeing?
And how often are you taking 200 mg of testosterone.
Iāve been hypogonadal since 22 years old and used nothing but clomid (by itself) for a short time, and then gel up until a week ago. I got so disgusted with rubbing it on every night and havi9ng to take it with me when I slept out of my house or having to worry about sexual activity with it on me.
Endo for the TRT, and most of the labs, also got some labs from my PCP. I am not having much luck getting either to consider a thyroid issue at all (my TSH is at 2.99), so Iām considering going to my SOās nurse practitioner.
Endo has me on 200mg every other week, Iām planning on doing 50mg twice a week (probably something like Sunday morning/Wednesday evening) and seeing how Iām feeling.
Bricknyce, I feel you about guys coming on here and complaining about T levels within normal ranges. Thanks for posting the video and info on Testopel.
Like you, Iām 7 days out from Testopel insertion. No more bleeding, though there is still a tad bit of puss. A small bruise has surfaced just below the incision. The area remains tender to touch. My energy and mood have improved. Although I seem to think about girls more now, libido hasnāt gotten much better.
My endo. did the procedure. Last night I saw my urologist in the gym. He asked about my Testopel so I showed him my butt cut. His eyes got big when he saw the incision site- he didnāt think the procedure should cause that much trauma. I think Iāll give Testopel another try, but this time with my urologist.
Now that I assume my T levels to be higher, Iām still having problems with ascending testicles, especially during sex. When Iām pounding on my lady I continuously have to push my balls down. Iāve read on this site about a connection between HCG and ascending testicles. However, my endo. and urologist havenāt heard this. Any ideas?
My understanding is that externally introduced testosterone reduces testicle function, which one side effect is testicular ascension (pulling in to the abdominal cavity). hCG can be used to stimulate testicular function, and combat that side effect (amongst others).