Ive decided I am going to use the triptorelin when it arrives. I cant deal with the depression and anxiety anymore.
Anyone think this is detrimental to my recovery?
Alternatively, instead of messing around with the Trip I might do low dose hCG with high dose SERM, more of an aggressive attack on the testes. The increased SERM dose might help counteract the suppressiveness of the oestrogen from the hCG. However I dont think the oestrogen increase will be THAT much from such a low dose.
I saw Bill Roberts suggested 100-250iu ED, so I was going to go with the lower end and maybe do 150iu ED for a week or two and see how I feel. Some boards also recommend a âblastâ of 2500iu EOD for 8 days to âwake upâ the testes. This does seem like an exaggerated dose but for someone with recovery problems it might do the trick.
Any thoughts?
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Alternatively, instead of messing around with the Trip I might do low dose hCG with high dose SERM, more of an aggressive attack on the testes. The increased SERM dose might help counteract the suppressiveness of the oestrogen from the hCG. However I dont think the oestrogen increase will be THAT much from such a low dose.
I saw Bill Roberts suggested 100-250iu ED, so I was going to go with the lower end and maybe do 150iu ED for a week or two and see how I feel. Some boards also recommend a âblastâ of 2500iu EOD for 8 days to âwake upâ the testes. This does seem like an exaggerated dose but for someone with recovery problems it might do the trick.
Any thoughts?
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My understanding is that HCG will just lead to more suppression. Yes, a larger dose will âwake them upâ, and regular use will âkeep them awakeâ, but what goes up must come down⊠Go heavy with the nolvadex if you donât want clomid sides, other than that youâre playing the waiting game Iâm afraidâŠ
I didnât actually choose to go on HRT pre seâ, the choice was actually made for me when I simply decided I couldnât live with low test levels (self inflicted of course).
[quote]buddaboy wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Alternatively, instead of messing around with the Trip I might do low dose hCG with high dose SERM, more of an aggressive attack on the testes. The increased SERM dose might help counteract the suppressiveness of the oestrogen from the hCG. However I dont think the oestrogen increase will be THAT much from such a low dose.
I saw Bill Roberts suggested 100-250iu ED, so I was going to go with the lower end and maybe do 150iu ED for a week or two and see how I feel. Some boards also recommend a âblastâ of 2500iu EOD for 8 days to âwake upâ the testes. This does seem like an exaggerated dose but for someone with recovery problems it might do the trick.
Any thoughts?
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My understanding is that HCG will just lead to more suppression. Yes, a larger dose will âwake them upâ, and regular use will âkeep them awakeâ, but what goes up must come down⊠Go heavy with the nolvadex if you donât want clomid sides, other than that youâre playing the waiting game Iâm afraidâŠ
I didnât actually choose to go on HRT pre seâ, the choice was actually made for me when I simply decided I couldnât live with low test levels (self inflicted of course).
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Thanks for your response my friend.
That was originally my fear, the temporary flow of LH from hCG will stop upon the cessation of its use. The board that I read this from advocated the use of the SERM for 30days past hCG to âmaintainâ the LH output from the pituatary. I dont know if this holds any sort of scientific back up or not.
My depression is more related to the low test levels then the clomid. Clomid has just made me an aggressive bastard but I dont feel it has contributed to depression.
Obviously due to the depression, cortisol must be wreaking havoc on my gains.
HRT looms ever closerâŠ
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
The board that I read this from advocated the use of the SERM for 30days past hCG to âmaintainâ the LH output from the pituatary. I dont know if this holds any sort of scientific back up or not.
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Scientifically, it is spot on. At least in the theoretical sense. Actual practice may prove different. But I like the approach and have advocated it on a couple occasions in the TRT forum for guys that seem to have been in a prolonged shutdown.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
The board that I read this from advocated the use of the SERM for 30days past hCG to âmaintainâ the LH output from the pituatary. I dont know if this holds any sort of scientific back up or not.
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Scientifically, it is spot on. At least in the theoretical sense. Actual practice may prove different. But I like the approach and have advocated it on a couple occasions in the TRT forum for guys that seem to have been in a prolonged shutdown.[/quote]
This is getting too scientific for me now⊠however, am I correct in thinking that this protocol is for someone wishing to maintain testicular size and function whilst on HRT? and NOT and PCT protocol?
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
The board that I read this from advocated the use of the SERM for 30days past hCG to âmaintainâ the LH output from the pituatary. I dont know if this holds any sort of scientific back up or not.
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Scientifically, it is spot on. At least in the theoretical sense. Actual practice may prove different. But I like the approach and have advocated it on a couple occasions in the TRT forum for guys that seem to have been in a prolonged shutdown.[/quote]
Do you mean you have advocated its use in people wanting to attempt a ârebootâ after being on TRT? Or do you recommend SERM+hCG before one resorts to TRT?
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Alternatively, instead of messing around with the Trip I might do low dose hCG with high dose SERM, more of an aggressive attack on the testes.
Any thoughts?
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Thoughts?
Obviously you donât really undertand whatâs going on here, endocrinologically or youâd use the drug you just bought, instead of chickening out on it and doing some HCG protocol with SERM for god alone knows what reason.
Honestly I donât understand your logic. Iâm not convinced that you do, either.
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Ok I will use the Trip. Im still waiting on it to arrive as of yet, im going for a blood panel tomorrow and will also request another around 4 weeks from now to see if the Trip helped.
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Alternatively, instead of messing around with the Trip I might do low dose hCG with high dose SERM, more of an aggressive attack on the testes.
Any thoughts?
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Thoughts?
Obviously you donât really undertand whatâs going on here, endocrinologically or youâd use the drug you just bought, instead of chickening out on it and doing some HCG protocol with SERM for god alone knows what reason.
Honestly I donât understand your logic. Iâm not convinced that you do, either.
BBB[/quote]
Ok I will use the Trip. Im still waiting on it to arrive as of yet, im going for a blood panel tomorrow and will also request another around 4 weeks from now to see if the Trip helped. [/quote]
Forgive me if Iâve misread this but arent you still in PCT? You looked like you did everything fine to me, although I think those serm dosages are a bit much. If after about 6 weeks post cycle you are feeling like shit and cant get wood then yeah its time to look into other options but come on guys, its a steroid cycle, you cant expect to feel amazing so quickly after one, and it seems like youve kept your gains so you must be doing something right.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Alternatively, instead of messing around with the Trip I might do low dose hCG with high dose SERM, more of an aggressive attack on the testes.
Any thoughts?
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Thoughts?
Obviously you donât really undertand whatâs going on here, endocrinologically or youâd use the drug you just bought, instead of chickening out on it and doing some HCG protocol with SERM for god alone knows what reason.
Honestly I donât understand your logic. Iâm not convinced that you do, either.
BBB[/quote]
Ok I will use the Trip. Im still waiting on it to arrive as of yet, im going for a blood panel tomorrow and will also request another around 4 weeks from now to see if the Trip helped. [/quote]
Forgive me if Iâve misread this but arent you still in PCT? You looked like you did everything fine to me, although I think those serm dosages are a bit much. If after about 6 weeks post cycle you are feeling like shit and cant get wood then yeah its time to look into other options but come on guys, its a steroid cycle, you cant expect to feel amazing so quickly after one, and it seems like youve kept your gains so you must be doing something right.
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Nice to see you about again MG.
Yes im on my 3rd week of PCT. I did everything by the book cycle-wise.
Yes I have kept most of my gains and vascularity along with 90% of strength also. Its just the shutdown is VERY hard.
MG is right, SB, start exploring the other options once youâve finished PCT; try and stop panicking for the time being.
[quote]buddaboy wrote:
MG is right, SB, start exploring the other options once youâve finished PCT; try and stop panicking for the time being.[/quote]
Thanks will try to. Got bloods done today so should have results real soon, I kinda know what theyâre going to look like anyway.
Hi SB,
Iâm in a similar situation to you and wondering how your progress is going? I realize you may still be waiting on bloods, but also interested to know if you tried your trip? Iâm strongly considering getting a hold of some. I think I found the same source you used and Iâm curious about your experience - obviously it arrived so we know no issues there.
Sorry not to be offering any constructive knowledge, I am early in my research and it appears you are more informed than I on all relevant matters. I would point you to another thread by chazman suggesting some positive results from a triptorelin treatment, but my guess is youâre already familiar with that one.
SB-Read your whole thread. It seriously sounded (through page 2) like you were recovering. Have you stopped panicking?
I would advocate NOT using HCG now; and seeing if the trip works. The blood panel should give you some point of reference also. Just relax⊠Stress is not going to help you control your cortisol.
Hows the recovery going Sing? Im interested in how how youâve got on and what you decided to do in the end.
[quote]Robert Paulson wrote:
Hi SB,
Iâm in a similar situation to you and wondering how your progress is going? I realize you may still be waiting on bloods, but also interested to know if you tried your trip? Iâm strongly considering getting a hold of some. I think I found the same source you used and Iâm curious about your experience - obviously it arrived so we know no issues there.
Sorry not to be offering any constructive knowledge, I am early in my research and it appears you are more informed than I on all relevant matters. I would point you to another thread by chazman suggesting some positive results from a triptorelin treatment, but my guess is youâre already familiar with that one.[/quote]
Hi, thanks for your contribution.
Yes I received the Trip fine and seemed legit. But to be entirely honest, it didnt do a damn thing. Absolutely nothing. I used it nearly 3 weeks ago now and nothing.
Libido is still dead. Testicles still atrophied. Energy DEAD.
[quote]muscle_meathead wrote:
SB-Read your whole thread. It seriously sounded (through page 2) like you were recovering. Have you stopped panicking?
I would advocate NOT using HCG now; and seeing if the trip works. The blood panel should give you some point of reference also. Just relax⊠Stress is not going to help you control your cortisol.[/quote]
Nice to have you in my thread MM.
I would say I thought I was recovering because I felt good, but I can attribute that to having levels of exogenous test still floating around so I spoke too soon.
I have sort of stopped panicking but to be honest with you i didnt WANT to panic, it just was inevitable from the clomid and the low test. The real problem is the impact on my university and future plans. I had very positive and high dreams when I was on cycle, I felt I could do anything and I was moving towards my goal.
Now however, those dreams are gone with thoughts of failure and worry. Even though there is absolutely nothing to actually worry about.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Hows the recovery going Sing? Im interested in how how youâve got on and what you decided to do in the end.[/quote]
Hi MG!
Well as iâve mentioned, im still in Shit Street.
What I have decided to do now, I am using high blasts of hCG (1000iu+ EOD) to see if that can restart me. I know that this board is against hCG in PCT but I suppose its my last ditch attempt to recover so why not. Im using adex with it as iâve read KSman recommended it. I am also using a SERM to attempt to continue the LH signal.
As the Triptorelin didnt work I figure I might aswell die fighting and try everything and anything before thinking about TRT.
Generally speaking we are against HCG usage in PCT, yes. But I was just going to advocate HCG useage; if you have tried the SERMs and confirmed either with blood test or âhow you feelâ that you are indeed still shutdown.
I havenât used androgens in quite some time. Been thinking about it; have some ghrp. After reading/watching this thread; where you have debated TRT essentially; it gives me pause. I feel as though I have recovered easily from previous cycles. Entering my 30âs though, it may be time to be more careful and use hcg in my cycles.
Goodluck Singh, I hope you can find your path; whether it be getting back to ânormalâ production or whatever it may be.
PS. You may also want to throw low dose arimidex in there. It has shown to have a positive impact on FSH and LH if I recall; and obviously it will help keep estrogen in check.