@ optheta - You suggested I stop a cycle in 3 weeks into, buy different gear and start again so forgive me if I don’t follow that advice haha.
I’ve decided what I’m going to run now
week 1 to 2 250mg test 200mg tren
week 3 to 6 300mg test 300mg tren
week 7 to 8 500mg test 200mg tren
week 9 to 10 500mg test no tren
sound good?
So I’ve just had last pin of week 3 and so far no noticeable gains when should I start seeing something on enanthates twice per week with above dosaging?
[quote]Sam_Boy wrote:
So I’ve just had last pin of week 3 and so far no noticeable gains when should I start seeing something on enanthates twice per week with above dosaging? [/quote]
Dude your on Tren one of the strongest compounds there are and Test which is an astonishing product. People here told you over and over that your doing things way wrong and yet you still come here and ask questions as to why your not making gains. Your not getting gains because from top to bottom everything your doing is not the most efficient way to go about your task at hand. Your taking the longest road to a short path. Everything you put in your body has a rebound effect. Each one of those supplements in your long list of drugs has a side effect. Your putting muscles before health. That makes absolutely no sense considering your experience there giving you good advice and your shooting it down
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Sam_Boy wrote:
Really now that is news to me I understand how they may be hard to keep if you go beyond genetic potential etc.
So I’m 180lb if I manage to go to 200lb and keep it through PCT then at that point do the same rules of nutrition and training not apply to keeping it as if I had done the same naturally? [/quote]
you will see what i mean when your cycle is over… it is for this reason that the periods between steroid users’ cycles become shorter and shorter…and they eventually just stay on nonstop [/quote]
This is pretty much the truth…
I am taking peoples advice they said don’t over complicate with the peptides so I bumped them to later , they said up the dosage so I did , the only thing I’m doing out of the norm is tren on first cycle , if people are willing to make suggestions and help then great but 3 weeks into a cycle that was put together on here with everyone’s input comments like ditch the while thing isn’t helpful.
[quote]Sam_Boy wrote:
I am taking peoples advice they said don’t over complicate with the peptides so I bumped them to later , they said up the dosage so I did , the only thing I’m doing out of the norm is tren on first cycle , if people are willing to make suggestions and help then great but 3 weeks into a cycle that was put together on here with everyone’s input comments like ditch the while thing isn’t helpful. [/quote]
That’s being smart about it. It’s in our nature to jump in with both feet. Someone here suggested to me to start with upping my Test and adding and AI, see what it does and does not do and adjust from there. Then add other compounds on the next run, best advice I got when starting out. It leaves you with one common denominator if something goes wrong.
I’m sure Walkway isn’t big on peptides and doubt Reed has bothered with them either. I’ve tried them and still use them (GHRP6 & CJC1295). I can’t say one way or the other if it was worth it so I may try out another peptide.
Best of luck my friend.
Cheers double lung 84 I still have ipamorelin and mod grf which are essentially the same as you use but based on everyone’s advice I have pushed them to later in cycle so I can get feel for just test and tren and up them gradually. Plus this way I can overlap the peptides into the pct which is where I think they will really shine. I’ve also git some peg mgf you tried that before?
[quote]Sam_Boy wrote:
Cheers double lung 84 I still have ipamorelin and mod grf which are essentially the same as you use but based on everyone’s advice I have pushed them to later in cycle so I can get feel for just test and tren and up them gradually. Plus this way I can overlap the peptides into the pct which is where I think they will really shine. I’ve also git some peg mgf you tried that before?[/quote]
Nope, just what I mentioned.
So I did a weigh in at 4 weeks and I have put on 4.5 lb muscle according to scales and calipers is that about what to expect? I’m week 5 now and my dosage is still 300 of each.
Eating enough is hard on tren does anyone else get that? Sweats and other sides are easy enough to ride out just need to sleep for like ages once a week to catch up.
[quote]Sam_Boy wrote:
So I did a weigh in at 4 weeks and I have put on 4.5 lb muscle according to scales and calipers is that about what to expect? I’m week 5 now and my dosage is still 300 of each.[/quote]
I didn’t feel jack until week 5 (200mg Test cyp 2x/week) I mean zero. By week 10 the veins started to pop and I was getting solid.
I can’t help you out on your Tren question. I never used it nor do I have a source for it; wish I did for my spring run.
Cheers mate ye I’m in week 5 now so hopefully see it soon.
So quick update on gains and doses;
Week 1 2 Test E 250mg Tren E 200mg No gains
Week 3 4 5 Test E 300mg Tren E 300mg 5lb Muscle Gain 1lb fat loss
Week 6 Test E 600mg Tren E 300mg Just started this week and hoping to see bigger gains start now
Does this all seem alright so far or should I have seen a lot more? I’m thinking I ain’t eating enough but then I’m also thinking if that was true I would be shredded by now on Tren right?
I plan on running this for the rest
Week 7 8 Test 600mg Tren E 200mg
Week 9 10 Test 600mg
What do you guys think?
The higher you jack up a long ester like test E the more water retention you’ll retain, so if being shredded is the aim of this cycle rather increase the tren bro. 200 - 300mg a week sounds pretty minimal. For such a short cycle I don’t know why you didn’t go with Ace? Or throw in EQ or mast?
"The irony lies in trying to perfect it too much, approaching the cycle with too much scientific rigour, without considering the subjective influence of each individual compound on your body. "
Only 5 pounds gained at this point sounds like you need to check your diet or gear. I think that most of the guys are just trying to steer you in a safe direction. If you wanna gain weight , compounds like test, deca and Dbol are gonna make you grow. Tren is an awesome compound but take it slow you want to get absolutely all you can out of each cycle as you progress with as little sides as possible. Good luck and keep the great attitude.
I wouldn’t say being shredded is the goal I would like to just drop a few body fat percent and put on a fair amount of lean muscle, unfortunately I haven’t got anymore Tren plenty of spare test though. Bearing in mind I have done my first pin of week 6 and my second is tomorrow what would you say best dosage of test for rest of cycle is?
Eating has got easier and I have really upped cals and protein last two weeks but I know gear is good cause my mate put on a stone so far.
So I think I get what you are all saying and this is my final revision for the cycle (please note I start week 7 on Sunday)
Week 1 - 2 Test E 250mg Tren E 200mg
Week 3 - 5 Test E 300mg Tren E 300mg
Week 6 Test E 600mg Tren E 300mg
Week 7 - 8 Test E 600mg Tren E 200mg
Week 9 - 12 Test E 600mg
HCG 250IU 3 x per week Week 2 - 14
Caber 0.5mg twice per week Week 1 - 10
Adex 0.5mg twice per week Week 1 - 15
PCT to start 5 days after last HCG pin
Nolvadex Week 15 - 18 40\30\20\10 per day
Clomid Week 15 - 19 100\50\50\50\25 per day
Ipamorelin (GHRP) and MOD GRF (GHRH) Week 15 - 17 100mcg each per day
PEG MGF Week 6- 17 post workout 200mcg split bilaterally in muscles trained
Any input to this would be great but bare in mind I’m about to start week 7 so no point revising anything before that.
Thanks
Sam
So end of week I weighed in and seem to have lost 1lb body fat and gained 8lb muscle all together so far, according to weigh in and calipers, I’m hoping these gains speed up now as my appetite is back and the long esters should be well into my system I am surprised I haven’t ripped up more on the Tren though if my calories were holding back gains, do macros make a lot of difference to Trens effects?
I’m in week 8 now and will have my last shot of Tren on Wednesday, according to the calipers I have gained 12lb muscle and lost 1lb fat so I am pretty happy with this but want to maximise my gains for the remainder so could do with a few pointers if anyone is willing;
Basically I am on 300mg test E twice per week and am about to drop the Tren and run the test only for 4 more weeks should I taper this down or run 300mg to the last pin? I plan to run hcg for two weeks after the last pin then wait 5 days and start pct.