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Dude I think a lot of people are saying overkill for one reason: you are doing too much too soon. Especially for a first cycle, no matter what you have read and how much you have researched, you can never be sure how it reacts with your body. By taking too many substances at the same time you can’t eliminate which compounds are giving you problems, nor can you attribute your gains to any particular compound. You have your whole training career in front of you, why not chill things out a little and start with a less complicated cycle?
I too am designing my first cycle and I am thinking the simpler the better. I say this because I am guilty of the same mindset, too much research and trying to stack too many things to create the perfect first cycle. The irony lies in trying to perfect it too much, approaching the cycle with too much scientific rigour, without considering the subjective influence of each individual compound on your body.
Anyway good luck with your cycle man, keep us posted with your progress.
I’m no expert here, but I think the Tren being dosed at 100mg/mL should be addressed. That is not Tren-E, that’s probably Tren Ace bro.
@silent revolver – I understand what you and everyone is saying mate and you are all probably right but this is what I wanted to do and am already doing it, everything is low dosage and being introduced gradually to my body so by the end of this cycle I will have a good understanding of how my body reacts to all the compounds I plan to use in the future. Plus I’m pretty certain at the dosages I’m on it will be the Tren if anything bad starts 
Cheers anyway what you planning on doing for your first cycle?
@SSC – I cant say the manufacturer as I got told off before for this but the vials definitely say Tren-E 500mg 5ml, of course whether this is actually what is in the vial will become clear in a week or two I’m sure haha. Is this nor normal dosing then as their Tren-A only goes up to 375mg 5ml.
Am still here and start week 3 tomorrow, have kept up my pins and workouts through my cold and cough and now in getting better, should i start seeing gains start this week as nothing so far?
yes, since your taking low dosages I am not surprised it is taking this long as the test takes a while to kick in all so if you can try taking the tren eod if possiable to reduce plasma lvls from being low. if possiable add an oral to this cycle as orals will give you the feel of being on.
OP ditch this cycle do Test/Tren pin 100mg Tren ED and 50mg Prop. 1.5cc’s everyday, you will thank me your joints may not however 
Cheers Nick I’m thinking of maybe upping the dosages as I have loads of test and tren left over, also based on what everyone has been saying I’m thinking leave the ghrp and ghrh and mgf for a bit and use them end of cycle on more conventional daily dosages and to help with pct. This is all based on what you guys have been saying so what I want to ask os how to up the test and tren 1 at time etc.
What I’ve done so far is
Week 1 and 2
Test E twice per week 125mg
Tren E twice per week 100mg
HCG three times per week 250iu
Arimidex twice per week 0.5mg
Cabergoline twice per week 0.5mg
Dosages are per shot not per week.
So based on everyone’s input I plan to forget the peptides until later in cycle maybe and I’m thinking up the tren and/or test how would you go about it?
I’ve got 8 weeks left to run Test and I want to come off Tren in 6 weeks.
Total I have for each of us is 2000mg tren e and test e 5000mg how would you recommend I up the dose?
[quote]Sam_Boy wrote:
the test and tren are fairly low dosages because I’m looking for nice cycle with permanent gains afterwards
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people seem to have missed this gem
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Sam_Boy wrote:
the test and tren are fairly low dosages because I’m looking for nice cycle with permanent gains afterwards
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people seem to have missed this gem[/quote]
Ahh the 'ole if I take it slow the gains will last longer…
Not what I meant by nice cycle I meant not to have screaming sides crash at the end and lose it all cause I feel shitty.
Anyway upped my dose today on the Tren so quick recap
Week 1 and 2 Tren 200mg and Test 250mg per week
Week 3 and 4 I’m now running Tren 300mg and Test 250mg per week
Week 5 I may up test to 500mg and keep tren at 300 what do you think?
Both are E and dosages split into two each week
I’m running Arimidex 1mg and Cabergoline 1mg per week split into 2 dosages
HCG 3 times per week 750ius in total
ok but just to be perfectly clear…there’s no such thing as permanent gains
You mean if calorie, macro and training requirements aren’t met after the cycle your body will gradually return to before? If that is what you mean then no problem I am a newbie as far as aas but not nutrition and training so hopefully will keep them all, I’m actually bumping the peptides to the end of the cycle to help keep gains during pct as well.
[quote]Sam_Boy wrote:
You mean if calorie, macro and training requirements aren’t met after the cycle your body will gradually return to before? If that is what you mean then no problem I am a newbie as far as aas but not nutrition and training so hopefully will keep them all[/quote]
lol…i hate to be the one to burst your bubble here bud… but aas gains are only kept with aas…
you lose everything eventually…why do you think we blast and cruise? heck…if it weren’t for health reasons we would blast nonstop and just rotate compounds…
Really now that is news to me I understand how they may be hard to keep if you go beyond genetic potential etc.
So I’m 180lb if I manage to go to 200lb and keep it through PCT then at that point do the same rules of nutrition and training not apply to keeping it as if I had done the same naturally?
So I made a bit of a decision on upping my dosages and could do with some input to confirm if these are ok or if there is a better solution, I’m on week 3 by the way;
Week 1 - 2 Test 250 Tren 200
Week 3 - 4 Test 300 Tren 300
Week 4 - 6 Test 400 Tren 300
Week 7-8 Test 500 Tren 200 (Don’t have enough Tren to do 300 these two weeks)
Week 9-10 Test 500 No Tren
or would this be better on blood levels etc. ;
Week 1 - 2 Test 250 Tren 200
Week 3 - 4 Test 300 Tren 300
Week 4 - 6 Test 300 Tren 300
Week 7-8 Test 300 Tren 200 (Don’t have enough Tren to do 300 these two weeks)
Week 9-10 Test 300 No Tren
[quote]Sam_Boy wrote:
Really now that is news to me I understand how they may be hard to keep if you go beyond genetic potential etc.
So I’m 180lb if I manage to go to 200lb and keep it through PCT then at that point do the same rules of nutrition and training not apply to keeping it as if I had done the same naturally? [/quote]
If you are keeping everything the same, which you can’t when off your cycle, how do you keep your “T” levels up?
For argument sake, I guess if you were pinning 50 mls of Test Cyp once a week you could go off and keep your gains, but I doubt you made any real gains. Your body seeks its own level, it’s not like building a wall, you do a little and come back and add to it.
I really wish you were right, I really do.
[quote]Sam_Boy wrote:
Really now that is news to me I understand how they may be hard to keep if you go beyond genetic potential etc.
So I’m 180lb if I manage to go to 200lb and keep it through PCT then at that point do the same rules of nutrition and training not apply to keeping it as if I had done the same naturally? [/quote]
you will see what i mean when your cycle is over… it is for this reason that the periods between steroid users’ cycles become shorter and shorter…and they eventually just stay on nonstop
So the gains just gradually fade? I see what you are saying with test levels never being as high as when you are on but there how does my body know the difference between muscle I made when on and not on cycle, if I add 5lb of muscle not on a cycle then as long as I don’t slack off on calories or training it stays on so if I make gains on a cycle then after losing some if I then start adding muscle again through training then wouldn’t it then just be like I was never on a cycle with a bit more muscle to show for it? Am I just wishful thinking.
Any tips on dosages for rest of my cycle?
[quote]Sam_Boy wrote:
So the gains just gradually fade? I see what you are saying with test levels never being as high as when you are on but there how does my body know the difference between muscle I made when on and not on cycle, if I add 5lb of muscle not on a cycle then as long as I don’t slack off on calories or training it stays on so if I make gains on a cycle then after losing some if I then start adding muscle again through training then wouldn’t it then just be like I was never on a cycle with a bit more muscle to show for it? Am I just wishful thinking.
Any tips on dosages for rest of my cycle? [/quote]
do what I said.