Hello, I’m a 35 yo man, been weightlifting/ BB’ing since I was 17, currently 5’9" - 183lb (after losing ~15lb recently) with about 15% BF. I’ve done TRT on and off for a few years now using both Test C and P at 200mg/ 1ml per week and had decent results. I have been looking into trying Tren A for the first time and finally purchased 30ml of a Test P/Tren A blend that is 150mg/ 1ml (75mg TP/ 75mg TrA). I would like to keep my dosage on the lower side to assess how it will affect me, especially in the beginning. I plan to take 200 to 300mg a week and injecting ED, but everything I’ve read so far on this combo has said either higher test/ lower tren, or lower test/ higher tren. I have not heard one single person discuss taking them 1:1. Is there any legitimate reason (preferably based on fact) that I should not be taking them both at the same dose? Will this even really matter since I’m running a low dose? and lastly, is there any reason I couldn’t/ shouldn’t gradually increase the amount from 200mg/ wk to 300mg (I think its an obvious question, but thats also not something i’ve seen talked about much)?
I appreciate any guidance you guys might have for me.
Also, this is my first time posting here so forgive me if doing this wrong haha
There is no ratio that needs to be followed. It makes no difference.
For your first time stick to 100-150mg/wk. 0 reason at anytime to run high doses of Tren.
For Tren I’d call “lower side” 75mg a week, not 300mg. That’s just me I guess.
I did 1:1 back in the day along with Mast P, 100mg of each EOD. But that was after playing with compounds and doses for a couple years. I wouldn’t jump into that for a first timer.
Yeah plenty: don’t increase the dose if it’s adverse to your health (if you care). Don’t increase the dose if you don’t need to. If you’re making progress why take more? If you’re not making progress, maybe that’s an argument to increase the dose.
OP — we sound like damn near the same person stats and AAS experience wise. I also recently experimented with Tren A — anywhere from 70-200mg a week while also running 200mg test prop a week.
At 70mg, side effects were minimal, but the Tren-depression kicked in around week 4.
At 200mg, sleep wasn’t great but nothing awful, but the Tren-depression kicked in around week 2.
Caber was of some help, but I didn’t follow any protocol with it and VERY much wish I’d looked into how to deal with that side of tren. Something for you to consider.
Damn, really? Everything I read (forums, articles, med journals) suggested 200 to 300mg a week was a low or “beginner” dose.. My only reasoning for running 200mg a week is I really enjoyed being on that amount of test p and since is 1:1 I have to keep them the same unless I want to buy a separate thing of test.
As for increasing, I completely agree. That is the thought process I had, if im not having sides but not seeing the results I wanted, I was considering slowly increasing. For now though I guess I will stay were I’m at dose wise and decrease/ increase depending on how things go once It’s fully kicked in.
Thanks for the reply btw man.
Well in that case I think you’re advice is pretty valuable since were around the same build/ AAS experience haha.
How were your results at 70mg a week vs. 200? Worth the difference in sides?
Can you explain more about Caber? I hear a lot of people talking about it in regards to running tren, but I’m still not really sure what it is?
I’m currently running 50mg ED of Arimidex as well since that was heavily suggested by a few people. Any tips on what you would’ve done differently protocol wise would be helpful too. I appreciate the reply btw.
Its been around for awhile, I’ve used it on and off since 2014. Its called different things but it’s androsta-1,4-diene-3,17-dione regardless of what name you call it.
If the average man pulses 7mg of test no ester that lasts from just before waking to 3 or 4 hours later and then becomes a slow trickle that resets the next day… Then 7mg test susp every morning would do the trick as soon as your hpt axis goes to strictly adrenal and no testicular test production if that is indeed to shut off LH and FSH totally so this of course is all theoretical but lets just pretend for a moment that those 7 to 8 migs translate to a 500ng per dl total T… Qnd lets pretend 950 to 1100ng is the end of the spectrum. So if you want supraphysiological 125mg by means of 18mg perday test prop or some short ester… Considering the multiplication on growth in size and strength tren vs test certainly a first cycle that has tren in it could be 10mg test prop/10mg tren every day if its already mixed 1 to 1but another very acceptable ratio for first time tren is microdose 15mg test E until your at steady serum levels… 15 days maybe? And then drop to 5mg test E everyday and then add 10mg test prop with 10mg tren a and you will get to a 105mgtest to 70mg tren per week with very minimal serum dips… all these things I say only because Tren is a totally different animal and you have no idea how it’s going to amplify your already present personality traits. Make for very uncomfortable nights sometimes little to no sleep and a lot of sweating and really skewed blood markers, lipids mostly and depending on your reaction specifically and the Dose you take, blood pressure and some liver enzymes as well. And if you can get agitated at all in the slightest, on tren, lots of things will start to agitate you… and if you get agitated easily without tren you will probably hurt somebody on tren or at least punch something that will hurt your hand. If you are a little paranoid naturally, on tren you might find yourself peeking out the blinds and if already a little insecure, on tren accusing your girlfriend of all sorts of things will seem righteous and checking her phone if she lets you will become obsessive. Things can get really out of hand on tren so I’m just trying to somehow put a great deal of facts in front of you so you can make a smart choice although usually if you’ve already made the choice to take tren, there are things driving you that might fall outside of what others consider normal thinking. I have been there so this is not a statement of judgment. I did a cycle of Trenbolone with dbol and deca while on a low trt dose and HCG and I thought I had everything under control. This is over 20 years ago and I still have several broken bones in my hand that never healed right because I would get so angry that I would see red and just lose all sense of self-control and yes everything is doing stupid doses but I started off taking doses that made more sense and it was just so easy to want more. Honestly it 7 mg a day of test gives the average person great result in their normal life with their normal hormones imagine what seven mg of trans per day would do on top of a normal trt dose. All I’m saying is you don’t have to do 70 and you certainly don’t ever have to do 300. The only time that kind of does would ever be acceptable is if you were going to make money bodybuilding professional. I hope something I said is useful to you or anyone else reading it
I appreciate the advice and full elaboration of your reasoning for the recommendation, some others I’ve seen on this platform just say something unhelpful or give advice even though they have no experience themselves. I’m about 8 days in at 200mg test p, 200mg tren a per week, and other than PIP, I feel great. Idk if it’s because I was already running 200mg test p per week before starting tren or the amount I’m using, but I already feel a significant difference. I’m probably one of the nicest people you’ll ever meet, am very self aware (as in if I do get angry I take a moment to truly understand why before reacting), and don’t have a lady in my life either so I’m not too worried about increased aggression. That being said I appreciate you considering how that might affect someone in different circumstances, I wish more people would do so before recommending insane doses to first time tren users. Thanks for the reply, very helpful info man.
I’m really glad that you got something out of what I said. I am your perfect example of a high schooler with no education going balls to the wall and 20 years later having to reap the health detriments and part of that is related to interior damage and gynecomastia that still flares up even though I had a surgery cuz it was done in a foreign country and they didn’t take out the mammary gland and the other part of that is a lot of injuries that never really healed. I wish that back then we had guys like Derek from more plates more dates and vigorous Steve and those kinds of educated guys who do podcasts helping the public understand what they’re really getting into. But it sounds like your personality traits are the kind that won’t get you in trouble as they are amplified by tren use although time can change that so please be responsible with continual bloodwork… Lipid profile, liver enzymes, glomular filtration and left ventricle hypertrophy alomg with your obvious hormone markers like estradiol, total test, free T and the less looked at like prolactin, LH and FSH. Also as far as I understand the nortests increase igf 1 so check waking fasting glucose and a1c. I have noticed that berberine, citrus bergamot for insulin sensitivity and HCG for the testes and if E2 is low you can increase test or add exogenous estrogen and if high an AI or serm… Arimidex is popular but every mans genetic makeup responds differently so if it’s way out of control let yourself is the strongest time ever and if it’s not that bad maybe a novodex would do. Glad to have this back and forth with you as it seems like you are intelligent and taking into account the things that matter so that it goes well for you with minimal negative impact
Get yourself some real, actual aromatase inhibitors like exemestane (aromasin) or anastrazole (arimidex). That “arimistane” you mentioned earlier is not a tried and tested drug sold by an actual pharmaceutical company. When you are on cycle you want to have the real thing. Especially if you’re taking tren.
Get your hands on some cabergoline to keep your prolactin in check as well. You probably won’t need it at your dosages but you never know. And it’s a ‘must have’ when taking 19-nor drugs.
Tren can change this. Watch for other people’s reactions. If they start looking at you strangely then take a hard look at the things you are saying or doing. Good luck.
