Pretty typical these days. Draw … shoot… aim.
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It’s fucking exhausting. These people could care less about others time.
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I started after my first post. Actually, after your initial reply. I got the answer I needed soo.. why wouldn’t I?
I have some on the way now. I appreciate the advice.
To me – not at all. Was 200mg better physique & strength-performance wise? Absolutely. But worth the depression and limp dick? Definitely not.
I started the tren as something of an experiment – I wasn’t competing (strongman) at the time, and I didn’t really need physique enhancements/beach-ready bod either; was mostly just curious if a low dose of tren would be manageable for some compound movement plateau-busting. What I would have done differently would have been to either A) stock up on caber and run it consistently, or B) just never do tren again.
For me, the option is really only (B). I may be something of a hyper-responder to estrogen/prolactin-elevating drugs, and I hope your body handles it entirely different; something to keep an eye on.
You answered my question, I thanked you for the reply, and started my cycle the next day… Why so upset my dude?
I will never go as high as 300mg of tren after trying 200mg. Can’t sleep on even 100mg so I stay really low. Last run I did 28mg a week by running 4mg every day and noticed results without affecting my sleep, anger, or night sweats.
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This is awesome… Lowest effectivendose trials are the best… Good for you… Maybe up the dose 1mg a day for a week from 4mg to 5 and see how it goes week by week adding 1mg per day… Wouldnt pass 56mg per week if I were you… You are a hyper responder and from personal experience with my own blood tests and anecdotes from Friends who are also hyper responders, we also tend to be hyper reactors and it’s important to stay low on the doses otherwise lipids and blood pressure and estrogen won’t be manageable even with ancillaries
On Tren? You must not know your pharma.
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I’m trying to look back on why I would have said this. Let me look through it again and see what I was trying to say.
So for some reason I can’t find the place where I said that or what it was in relation to. But I do believe that this compound that makes you dry is a 19 Nor which means it’s going to bind to the progesterone receptor as well as the Androgen receptor and it’s definitely going to be a big igf-1 increaser. So I’m not sure what I was trying to say but Tren can definitely cause gyno and usually it’s a combination of high prolactin High igf-1 and 0 LH and zero FSH. Ancillaries like pramipexole and. Caber can be helpful… VITAMIN B6 version p5p and chasteberry can lower prolactin… But if you are taking tren with other compounds that aromatize and youre prone to gyno, ancillaries might not work…
Maybe this is what I meant… Im. Not sure to be honest
Oh I see where I said that now. Yeah I’m not sure to be honest maybe I was tired or had deleted something and didn’t look at it closely or I’m not sure to be honest but hyper responders to compounds are usually hyper responders to unwanted side effects
Tren doesn’t aromarize. Test and Tren is as easy to manage E2 as Test solo for the most part. Super easy.
Just wanted to post an update. Tomorrow will be 5 weeks in at 200mg test p and 200mg Tren a. So far the only sides I’ve had are a bit of night sweats, small increase in aggression, and PIP. despite being in a heavy caloric deficit, strength increased a bit, muscles looked and felt fuller, and I’ve had the libido of a 14yo. I’ve lost a little over 10lbs but I’ve lost a about 3 inches off my waist. So far a very successful first experience with Tren. Thanks again to everyone that gave advice and support!
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That’s fantastic good for you
I think we’re saying the same thing I’m just talking about outliers because since progestin based compounds bind to the pr it makes prolactin an issue and you can get gyno even with an AI because the AI strictly deals with test / estrogen and gyno isn’t always from estrogen. I am in total agreement with everything you’re saying Mr Shaw I’m just adding to it that people who are hyper responders can get side effects that typical ancillaries won’t resolve. This guy however is on 200 and 200 and he seems to be doing okay so that’s great for him. In my experience it has been different and I’ve had to take cabergoline and chasteberry p5p in order to deal with prolactin-induced gyno. I was taking tamoxifen and Arimidex and it wasn’t doing anything. I am an outlier and I was just specifically talking about outliers.
Hyper responders, like a Chase Irons can take fucktons of gear and respond amazingly well with literally low to zero sides.
19 nors do not make you “dry”. They have zero diuretic capability.
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Dude… You are starting conflict over nothing…
What I understand about 19 nors is that there are three that are used the most which would be Deca tren and ment but ment and deca are wet because they aromatize whereas Tren does not aromatize so it’s dry. It’s just a way of saying things it’s not worth getting into a fight about.
All I was talking about was the potential for being an outlier. Like myself. I take ridiculously low amounts of testosterone and it puts me right at the middle of the reference range which is exactly what I want. But if I take whatever else takes the sides are unbearable. So I am an outlier and all I was trying to share with this nice person who was asking about his cycle is that the lowest effective dose is best and if you can take more with no sides go for it but to start off slow to see where you’re at and get your blood checked often to make sure you’re not doing damage to yourself more than you anticipated anyways. And I still think that that is fantastic advice to give to anyone because caution when it comes to your health is wisdom. But you just want to like show everybody that you know something.. or I’m not sure if you’re just upset with me personally for something. And maybe it’s just that you are on tren🫠(emoji represents that there can still be humor in our discussion)
But I’m just on this platform talking and learning and I’m not looking for conflict. It doesnt have to be like this… Trump and Musk had an online Feud as well but they made up moved on and got over it.. so let’s do a Trump/Musk fraternal reuniting and start getting along from here on out. What do you say?
