Age: 32
Height: 5’10
Weight: 160lbs (3.5 weeks ago), now 168lbs (after 20+ days on Test E&C)
Body Fat: 14%
Training: Past 6 years consistently. Lost fat over the years, gained very little muscle. I had a trainer for the past 1.5 years, who concludes I’m strong for my size & a hard gainer. Though I do gain fat pretty easily.
Goal: Gain & retain muscle along with strength gains, reduce body fat
This is my first cycle, I’m on Week 4, I take 500mg E3D, Test E stacked with C (I now realize they’re practically the same, so whats the point???). My friend has done 1 cycle before & got me started on this, along with his 2nd cycle. I have been researching for the past 3 weeks). He is also taking Deca, but Im going with just Test E & C for my first cycle to see how I react with the foundation stuff. I have Nolva at hand for when needed. I plan to stop at 10 weeks (after reading these forums, seems more appropriate than stopping at 8 weeks which is my friend’s plan).
I train 6 days / week, about 15+ sets per workout & usually isolate body parts. I go for 8 to 15 reps (15+ reps being warmup). Lots of compound exercises.
Question 1:
I am on week 4 now & see little increase in strength, though I have great endurance / recovery now. Is this expected if I’m on a Test only cycle? For ex: I never benched more than 185 (6 or 7 reps). Now I can do 7 or 8 at most. But I do see some size gains (started at 160 and now at 168lbs).
Question 2:
What can I do to retain as much as possible after the cycle? (I realize this must have been asked before, so I’ll try and read up more).
Question 3:
Can I concurrently work on reducing body fat along with seeking size gains?
Any feedback or recommendations from experienced folks? I appreciate it.
I’ll continue to read up more, but thought it might make sense at this point to seek some feed back from experienced folks on here.
[quote]ZianyGuy wrote:
I had a trainer for the past 1.5 years, who concludes I’m strong for my size & a hard gainer.
I never benched more than 185 (6 or 7 reps). Now I can do 7 or 8 at most.
[/quote]
Strong for your size? Hardly. You’re not doing bad, so don’t take this the wrong way, but you still have far to go. Just to provide an example for comparison: a good friend of mine is “strong for his size”. He can bench 275 and DL 500 at 155lbs BW (he’s really young too).
The hardgainer stuff is probably BS. Especially if you can gain fat. If you can gain fat, it means you’re not optimizing your training/diet (probably diet) enough to build muscle.
If that’s the best results the trainer got you after a year and a half, I wouldn’t take anything he/she told you too seriously. Most PTs don’t know shit about getting stronger/building large amounts of muscle anyway.
[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
Wtf is a hard gainer? I think that stuff is BS personally… But… What’s your diet look like and what do you have planned for pct[/quote]
Prior to this, I’ve had an inconsistent diet.
For the past 4 weeks, I eat roughly 2500 - 3000 calories a day. Lots of Chicken breasts, egg whites, veggies like chick peas / squash, cottage cheese, greek yogurt, nuts. For supplements, I get two scoops of mass gainer after training with Whey protein, and I get one or two protein shakes a day.
I only have Nolva for PCT for now. Any other recommendations?
[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
Wtf is a hard gainer? I think that stuff is BS personally… But… What’s your diet look like and what do you have planned for pct[/quote]
Prior to this, I’ve had an inconsistent diet.
For the past 4 weeks, I eat roughly 2500 - 3000 calories a day. Lots of Chicken breasts, egg whites, veggies like chick peas / squash, cottage cheese, greek yogurt, nuts. For supplements, I get two scoops of mass gainer after training with Whey protein, and I get one or two protein shakes a day.
I only have Nolva for PCT for now. Any other recommendations?[/quote]
[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
Wtf is a hard gainer? I think that stuff is BS personally… But… What’s your diet look like and what do you have planned for pct[/quote]
Prior to this, I’ve had an inconsistent diet.
For the past 4 weeks, I eat roughly 2500 - 3000 calories a day. Lots of Chicken breasts, egg whites, veggies like chick peas / squash, cottage cheese, greek yogurt, nuts. For supplements, I get two scoops of mass gainer after training with Whey protein, and I get one or two protein shakes a day.
I only have Nolva for PCT for now. Any other recommendations?[/quote]
personally I would get a baseline set for macros, with the above food listed it looks like you are hardly eating any carbs? Do you put on fat easily from carbs? Increase your food intake.
nolva should be fine for pct as long as you have enough…
[quote]Reed wrote:
This is a fucking joke.[/quote]
No dude, it isn’t. I train in a commercial gym. 225 pounds for 5 reps is considered insanely strong.I am actually the biggest bencher, and you know that my bench sucks.
[quote]Reed wrote:
This is a fucking joke.[/quote]
No dude, it isn’t. I train in a commercial gym. 225 pounds for 5 reps is considered insanely strong.I am actually the biggest bencher, and you know that my bench sucks.[/quote]
No I mean its a joke this ass hole Is 160 fucking pounds and on gear. Because he thinks he is a hard gainer. He is a hard gainer because he doesn’t know shit about eating or training. Which obvious because he is still paying the trainer of his and taking his advice. Lol I have a few clients here and if I said to them I am sorry that after months you have made no progress you must be a hard gainer I would get my fucking ass fired.
Op I’d also question your training. Instead of doing 8-15 reps, I believe you should consider trying some heavy lifting in the 3-5 rep range. This might help stimulate muscle growth. I’m a firm believer that dumbbell’s and barbells help build strength. Minimize the use of machines and cables.
[quote]Reed wrote:
This is a fucking joke.[/quote]
No dude, it isn’t. I train in a commercial gym. 225 pounds for 5 reps is considered insanely strong.I am actually the biggest bencher, and you know that my bench sucks.[/quote]
No I mean its a joke this ass hole Is 160 fucking pounds and on gear. Because he thinks he is a hard gainer. He is a hard gainer because he doesn’t know shit about eating or training. Which obvious because he is still paying the trainer of his and taking his advice. Lol I have a few clients here and if I said to them I am sorry that after months you have made no progress you must be a hard gainer I would get my fucking ass fired. [/quote]
Some gay people just want to get firm and toned, don’t judge him on that. It;s his choice and none of your business how many dicks he sucks.
[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
Wtf is a hard gainer? I think that stuff is BS personally… But… What’s your diet look like and what do you have planned for pct[/quote]
Prior to this, I’ve had an inconsistent diet.
For the past 4 weeks, I eat roughly 2500 - 3000 calories a day. Lots of Chicken breasts, egg whites, veggies like chick peas / squash, cottage cheese, greek yogurt, nuts. For supplements, I get two scoops of mass gainer after training with Whey protein, and I get one or two protein shakes a day.
I only have Nolva for PCT for now. Any other recommendations?[/quote]
personally I would get a baseline set for macros, with the above food listed it looks like you are hardly eating any carbs? Do you put on fat easily from carbs? Increase your food intake.
nolva should be fine for pct as long as you have enough…
[/quote]
Thanks man, I do avoid carbs as I think it’ll gain me fat pretty easily.
[quote]Reed wrote:
This is a fucking joke.[/quote]
No dude, it isn’t. I train in a commercial gym. 225 pounds for 5 reps is considered insanely strong.I am actually the biggest bencher, and you know that my bench sucks.[/quote]
No I mean its a joke this ass hole Is 160 fucking pounds and on gear. Because he thinks he is a hard gainer. He is a hard gainer because he doesn’t know shit about eating or training. Which obvious because he is still paying the trainer of his and taking his advice. Lol I have a few clients here and if I said to them I am sorry that after months you have made no progress you must be a hard gainer I would get my fucking ass fired. [/quote]
I guess I forgot to mention that morons like you should skip my post…
[quote]Reed wrote:
This is a fucking joke.[/quote]
No dude, it isn’t. I train in a commercial gym. 225 pounds for 5 reps is considered insanely strong.I am actually the biggest bencher, and you know that my bench sucks.[/quote]
No I mean its a joke this ass hole Is 160 fucking pounds and on gear. Because he thinks he is a hard gainer. He is a hard gainer because he doesn’t know shit about eating or training. Which obvious because he is still paying the trainer of his and taking his advice. Lol I have a few clients here and if I said to them I am sorry that after months you have made no progress you must be a hard gainer I would get my fucking ass fired. [/quote]
I guess I forgot to mention that morons like you should skip my post…[/quote]
[quote]Reed wrote:
This is a fucking joke.[/quote]
No dude, it isn’t. I train in a commercial gym. 225 pounds for 5 reps is considered insanely strong.I am actually the biggest bencher, and you know that my bench sucks.[/quote]
No I mean its a joke this ass hole Is 160 fucking pounds and on gear. Because he thinks he is a hard gainer. He is a hard gainer because he doesn’t know shit about eating or training. Which obvious because he is still paying the trainer of his and taking his advice. Lol I have a few clients here and if I said to them I am sorry that after months you have made no progress you must be a hard gainer I would get my fucking ass fired. [/quote]
I guess I forgot to mention that morons like you should skip my post…[/quote]
… Are you fucking serious you dumb fuck mother fucker. I out lift you, I out perform you in every lift every way pound for pound or total on a bad fucking day. Your the moron for pissing away 6 fucking years of your life wasting your time and money on some fuck tard idiot dime a dozen dumber than a box of rocks two bit no good piece of shit wanna be never was never will be personal trainer while every month you watch your piss poor performance stay every bit as mediocre as it was yesterday, last week, or even last year, but yet I am the moron… Do you know what a moron is… Its you. I seriously have female clients in their teens NOT EVEN ON PROTEIN POWDER who have made better gains in 6 months than you have in 6 years not to mention they destroy you in a strength completion.
You call your self a hard gainer. Do you know what a hard gainer is? It is some one who wont mentally or physically or in your case both put their time and money into the kitchen. They cant take a few weeks of hard research and learn what causes the body to adapt and change. They can’t put out the effort it takes to grow or barely bench there damn body weight. Your a fucking pathetic excuse for a lifter. The second you posted your stats your ass should have been banned from this site for life.
You cant do the most basic of things so you decide to run drugs that could fuck you up for life because you want to look AVERAGE lol are you serious. Then you want to call me the moron… Makes alot of fucking sense to me. Your lucky there are people here who help fucking help low life pathetic excuses of life (because your not a man) even though you cant even a attain a level of strength that teen girls have. Personally I hope that people here stop helping and just fucking ignore MORONS like you and pretty much just force you and pathetic people looking to use steroids only because they are “hard gainers” <— Remember that word is not real it refers to pathetic excuses of life who should just fall of the face of the earth because quite frankly this world would be much better off with less people like you.
But, seriously just know if I prayed I would be begging all night to who ever that your ass gets some shitty gear and you you get a infection so bad a chunk of muscle ( do guys pathetic as you even have muscle ) cut out of your ass so you are reminded daily that your a fucking idiot for the rest of your life.
Have a day… That’s not a typo ill just be damned if I’m going to lie and say I hope you have a good one.
[quote]Reed wrote:
This is a fucking joke.[/quote]
No dude, it isn’t. I train in a commercial gym. 225 pounds for 5 reps is considered insanely strong.I am actually the biggest bencher, and you know that my bench sucks.[/quote]
No I mean its a joke this ass hole Is 160 fucking pounds and on gear. Because he thinks he is a hard gainer. He is a hard gainer because he doesn’t know shit about eating or training. Which obvious because he is still paying the trainer of his and taking his advice. Lol I have a few clients here and if I said to them I am sorry that after months you have made no progress you must be a hard gainer I would get my fucking ass fired. [/quote]
I guess I forgot to mention that morons like you should skip my post…[/quote]
… Are you fucking serious you dumb fuck mother fucker. I out lift you, I out perform you in every lift every way pound for pound or total on a bad fucking day. Your the moron for pissing away 6 fucking years of your life wasting your time and money on some fuck tard idiot dime a dozen dumber than a box of rocks two bit no good piece of shit wanna be never was never will be personal trainer while every month you watch your piss poor performance stay every bit as mediocre as it was yesterday, last week, or even last year, but yet I am the moron… Do you know what a moron is… Its you. I seriously have female clients in their teens NOT EVEN ON PROTEIN POWDER who have made better gains in 6 months than you have in 6 years not to mention they destroy you in a strength completion.
You call your self a hard gainer. Do you know what a hard gainer is? It is some one who wont mentally or physically or in your case both put their time and money into the kitchen. They cant take a few weeks of hard research and learn what causes the body to adapt and change. They can’t put out the effort it takes to grow or barely bench there damn body weight. Your a fucking pathetic excuse for a lifter. The second you posted your stats your ass should have been banned from this site for life.
You cant do the most basic of things so you decide to run drugs that could fuck you up for life because you want to look AVERAGE lol are you serious. Then you want to call me the moron… Makes alot of fucking sense to me. Your lucky there are people here who help fucking help low life pathetic excuses of life (because your not a man) even though you cant even a attain a level of strength that teen girls have. Personally I hope that people here stop helping and just fucking ignore MORONS like you and pretty much just force you and pathetic people looking to use steroids only because they are “hard gainers” <— Remember that word is not real it refers to pathetic excuses of life who should just fall of the face of the earth because quite frankly this world would be much better off with less people like you.
But, seriously just know if I prayed I would be begging all night to who ever that your ass gets some shitty gear and you you get a infection so bad a chunk of muscle ( do guys pathetic as you even have muscle ) cut out of your ass so you are reminded daily that your a fucking idiot for the rest of your life.
Have a day… That’s not a typo ill just be damned if I’m going to lie and say I hope you have a good one.[/quote]
[quote]Reed wrote:
This is a fucking joke.[/quote]
No dude, it isn’t. I train in a commercial gym. 225 pounds for 5 reps is considered insanely strong.I am actually the biggest bencher, and you know that my bench sucks.[/quote]
No I mean its a joke this ass hole Is 160 fucking pounds and on gear. Because he thinks he is a hard gainer. He is a hard gainer because he doesn’t know shit about eating or training. Which obvious because he is still paying the trainer of his and taking his advice. Lol I have a few clients here and if I said to them I am sorry that after months you have made no progress you must be a hard gainer I would get my fucking ass fired. [/quote]
I guess I forgot to mention that morons like you should skip my post…[/quote]
… Are you fucking serious you dumb fuck mother fucker. I out lift you, I out perform you in every lift every way pound for pound or total on a bad fucking day. Your the moron for pissing away 6 fucking years of your life wasting your time and money on some fuck tard idiot dime a dozen dumber than a box of rocks two bit no good piece of shit wanna be never was never will be personal trainer while every month you watch your piss poor performance stay every bit as mediocre as it was yesterday, last week, or even last year, but yet I am the moron… Do you know what a moron is… Its you. I seriously have female clients in their teens NOT EVEN ON PROTEIN POWDER who have made better gains in 6 months than you have in 6 years not to mention they destroy you in a strength completion.
You call your self a hard gainer. Do you know what a hard gainer is? It is some one who wont mentally or physically or in your case both put their time and money into the kitchen. They cant take a few weeks of hard research and learn what causes the body to adapt and change. They can’t put out the effort it takes to grow or barely bench there damn body weight. Your a fucking pathetic excuse for a lifter. The second you posted your stats your ass should have been banned from this site for life.
You cant do the most basic of things so you decide to run drugs that could fuck you up for life because you want to look AVERAGE lol are you serious. Then you want to call me the moron… Makes alot of fucking sense to me. Your lucky there are people here who help fucking help low life pathetic excuses of life (because your not a man) even though you cant even a attain a level of strength that teen girls have. Personally I hope that people here stop helping and just fucking ignore MORONS like you and pretty much just force you and pathetic people looking to use steroids only because they are “hard gainers” <— Remember that word is not real it refers to pathetic excuses of life who should just fall of the face of the earth because quite frankly this world would be much better off with less people like you.
But, seriously just know if I prayed I would be begging all night to who ever that your ass gets some shitty gear and you you get a infection so bad a chunk of muscle ( do guys pathetic as you even have muscle ) cut out of your ass so you are reminded daily that your a fucking idiot for the rest of your life.
Have a day… That’s not a typo ill just be damned if I’m going to lie and say I hope you have a good one.[/quote]
