ah… i see the logic…
not totally convinced that it really works like that though.
[quote] Brook wrote:
ah… i see the logic…
not totally convinced that it really works like that though.[/quote]
Experience trumps theory every time 
I’ll follow the theory for my first cycle and adjust through trial and error to find my sweet spot.
OK… what i meant to say was - i am pretty sure it doesnt work like that…!
You will get no extra anabolism from inhibiting aromatase. You will have enough test to go around, and then some… your theory is flawed IMO.
Now, i would use adex from the start for gyno purposes… so it is a win win situation, but be aware that you are not going to be able to NOTICE any difference in the test levels of being aromatase inhibited or not… and if you do it will be from some other mechanism or placebo.
!
The best way to make the best use of free test is to control SHBG IME/IMO.
Many people say that reducing estrogen AT ALL is counter productive to gains (when on cycle) due to many other factors - IGF, Strength from holding water, etc… but not because the test that has been aromatized COULD have been used to grow muscle!
There is only so much growth you can get - blocking aromatase wont increase growth due to increased test (not unless we were discussing natural test levels where nano-gram increases matter) - not when one is injecting 500-1000mg of testosterone a week.
JMO
JJ
[quote] Brook wrote:
OK… what i meant to say was - i am pretty sure it doesnt work like that…!
You will get no extra anabolism from inhibiting aromatase. You will have enough test to go around, and then some… your theory is flawed IMO.
Now, i would use adex from the start for gyno purposes… so it is a win win situation, but be aware that you are not going to be able to NOTICE any difference in the test levels of being aromatase inhibited or not… and if you do it will be from some other mechanism or placebo.
!
The best way to make the best use of free test is to control SHBG IME/IMO.
Many people say that reducing estrogen AT ALL is counter productive to gains (when on cycle) due to many other factors - IGF, Strength from holding water, etc… but not because the test that has been aromatized COULD have been used to grow muscle!
There is only so much growth you can get - blocking aromatase wont increase growth due to increased test (not unless we were discussing natural test levels where nano-gram increases matter) - not when one is injecting 500-1000mg of testosterone a week.
JMO
JJ[/quote]
JJ,
Thanks for your input. We must be very careful when we talk about “test levels”. Total test level and free test level are two distincly different measurements. Total test is the non-active form, while free test is the active form.
There are many like myself who produce upper 1/3 ref range total test, yet free test is consistently mired in the lower 1/3 ref range or lower yet.
Even though our total test is reasonably ample, we feel like shit, lack energy, see little hypertrophy, have low libido, low morale, lack of confidence, etc. It is my understanding that there are only two culprits in such cases (when total test is ample, yet free test is sorely lacking).
- Elevated estradiol level (some refer as E2 or estrogen).
- Elevated SHBG level.
In cases of the former too little of the total test is left over to be useable as the active free test pool because too much of the total test has aromatized to estrogen.
In cases of the latter basically the same principal holds except in this instance too much of the total test is being bound to SHBG and rendered useless and is thus not added to the free test pool.
We must acknowledge also, that when we elevate our natural total test level by introducing injected test enanthate for example; that our bodies’ complex hormonal balancing system will automatically raise other hormonal levels to balance the newly increased level of total testosterone.
That is why many ill-advised TRT patients prescribed testosterone by doctors who are not conversant enough with hormones experience short term improvement, only to feel worse than when they started once their body ups it’s estrogen production which effectively reduces free test to lower than when they started treatment.
These individuals still have impressive total test levels, but free test is sorely lacking.
The same holds true for BB doses of testosterone. The body will adjust it’s estrogen level to keep the regular ratio of test to estrogen the same as the individual’s baseline and once that adjustment (increase in estrogen to match new high total test level) free test level will suffer. This is why I want to run Adex throughout my cycle and TRT.
Does this make sense??
ya… good stuff, and fair enough. 
All i was thinking was that due to bodybuilding dosages - the free test would STILL be a hell of a lot better than the natural free test, even if more test aromatises… due to the fact that BB style dosages increase total test by so many factors of 10 in comparison to endogenous levels…
Whereas for HRT test (exo) levels, i would think that your point would be 100% true… i (personally) would have thouight that the massive dosages of test in your body would allow a better than average free test level.
however, you did cover that in your post, and mine was just my reasoning - whereas you seem to have done plenty of research into this.
[quote] Brook wrote:
ya… good stuff, and fair enough.
All i was thinking was that due to bodybuilding dosages - the free test would STILL be a hell of a lot better than the natural free test, even if more test aromatises… due to the fact that BB style dosages increase total test by so many factors of 10 in comparison to endogenous levels…
Whereas for HRT test (exo) levels, i would think that your point would be 100% true… i (personally) would have thouight that the massive dosages of test in your body would allow a better than average free test level.
however, you did cover that in your post, and mine was just my reasoning - whereas you seem to have done plenty of research into this.
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JJ,
Again, experience trumps theory and I will use trial and error. My starting point in this process will be Adex at 0.25mg EOD (for 525mg/w test) throughout my cycle and 0.125mg EOD when I drop down to a TRT dosage of test (approx 100mg/w) and I will adjust accordingly. Different people have different sensitivity levels in response to Adex also. Some are hyper sensitive and require very low dosage; and some are much less sensitive and require a higher dose.
Guys like Saps (who doesn’t use an AI and gets fabulous results), prove that everyone responds differently and no theory holds true 100% of the time.
Eureeka!! I just ran the tracking number for my shipment and was shocked to see that it has arrived at the USPS post office in the destination city. That means it will be delivered today or Monday.
I will get my hands on it by mid week. I’ll take pictures of my gear and post them at that time.
Good day to all…
Excellent DH cannot wait for launch day for you. We’ll be here
[quote]saps wrote:
Excellent DH cannot wait for launch day for you. We’ll be here[/quote]
Thanks buddy. I am really excited!! I can’t wait to go and pick it up. I can’t thank you guys enough for all the information that comes from experience, generous support, and camaraderie. It really means a lot to me.
OK friends. Here are the before pics since I am hoping to start my cycle around mid week.
Current weight: 157
Height: 6"
Age: 47
Training: 10 years
More upper body.
Legs.
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Current weight: 157
Height: 6"
Age: 47
Training: 10 years
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You look big for some reason. Are you posing inside a doll house?
[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
Dynamo Hum wrote:
Current weight: 157
Height: 6"
Age: 47
Training: 10 years
You look big for some reason. Are you posing inside a doll house? ;)[/quote]
It kinda looks that way. I guess because I am standing on the bed and the shots are fairly close of my reflexion in mirror.
Picked up syringes and needles at local pharmacy (Pharmaprix) today.
25 x BD 3 ml barrels
25 x BD 25G 1.5" needles (to inject test)
25 x BD 21G 1" needles (to draw test vial)
50 x BD 29G 0.5cc insulin needles (for hCG)
Grand Total: $37.45 Cdn
Planning on picking up gear tomorrow.
Exciting isn’t it
[quote]saps wrote:
Exciting isn’t it ;)[/quote]
I guess you can tell I’ve been a little over the top. I am heading out to pick up my gear delivery in a couple of hours. I’ll post pics of it on my return.