Another note is that I used the last of my Proviron today.
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Bone,
2ml - that is a lot. I guess you go with EOD?
Hussayn,
Let me know how it goes if/when you revisit quads. Are you using prop?[/quote]
Yes I’m doing EOD injections. The next time I use prop I will go with daily injections to see if I notice a difference, but for now it is more convenient this way.
I never experience any pain with enanthate when I use quads so I know it’s not solely the amount of oil that is causing the problem.
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Bone,
2ml - that is a lot. I guess you go with EOD?
Hussayn,
Let me know how it goes if/when you revisit quads. Are you using prop?[/quote]
I was using cypionate.
The injection would go perfectly normal with no pain but the stiffness would come 3-4 hours later.
I’m now on enanthate, do you think it’ll change things?
Hussayn,
Like I said I experienced absolutely no pain with the enanthate I was using. Then again it didn’t seem to have much kick and I feel it was seriously underdosed. Other say that there is no pain with enanthate. It all depends on the batch recipe I guess. There will be a large variance with UG gear. I think you can safely expect prop to be more painful than enanthate.
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Hussayn,
Like I said I experienced absolutely no pain with the enanthate I was using. Then again it didn’t seem to have much kick and I feel it was seriously underdosed. Other say that there is no pain with enanthate. It all depends on the batch recipe I guess. There will be a large variance with UG gear. I think you can safely expect prop to be more painful than enanthate.[/quote]
Not too many people here tried cypionate, which is what i used.
But for experiment’s sake, I’ll do my quad Thursday and report back 
I’ll have my wheel chair in case i can’t walk anymore 
My friggin right quad is enflamed, uncomfortable, and warm to the touch from Sunday’s original frontload injection (1.25ml in each quad). The left one is fine. I am hoping this goes away soon as it has already been 3+ days!! Tomorrow at 9 am will be 4 days. Other injections since (right pec and both ventroglutes) are fine.
I trained upper body this afternoon. I changed from low rep heavy to triple superset 6-10-20 reps. I wasn’t really in the mood nor did I have good energy. The high rep muscle exhaustion training is not my preference, but I have been going low rep & heavy for quite a while now. I did get a good pump. I didn’t feel particularly strong. It discourages me when I run out of gas on the incline DB press after BB bench. I am OK on the pec deck however. Second superset is more doable without running out of gas. I did 4 sets each of the following two supersets:
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BB Bench Press 6 reps
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DB incline Press 10 reps
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Pec Deck 20 rep
3 min rest after superset (no rest in between the 3 exercises) -
Pull ups 6 reps
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Lat Pull Downs 10 reps
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Rope cable upright row 20 reps
3 min rest after superset (no rest in between the 3 exercises)
In other news, I bought 20 1ml barrels, 10 5/8" 25G needles, and 10 1" 25G needles since all I had were 1.5" needles and 3 ml barrels before. I am going to use delts again and I wanted to get shorter needles for that and pecs.
I read the injection pain sticky and figure I am suffering from scenario #1 which is high BA content causing inflamation and tissue damage. It can take up to 10 days to get better, but with a little luck it’ll happen in the next couple of days. There is no pitting and it seems stable. I am able to get around fine and walk distances without problem, but the constant irritation is taking a toll nonetheless.
[quote]Hussayn wrote:
Dynamo Hum wrote:
Hussayn,
Like I said I experienced absolutely no pain with the enanthate I was using. Then again it didn’t seem to have much kick and I feel it was seriously underdosed. Other say that there is no pain with enanthate. It all depends on the batch recipe I guess. There will be a large variance with UG gear. I think you can safely expect prop to be more painful than enanthate.
Not too many people here tried cypionate, which is what i used.
But for experiment’s sake, I’ll do my quad Thursday and report back
I’ll have my wheel chair in case i can’t walk anymore
[/quote]
Im so mad… I just injected my delt and right when i finished, i remembered i was gonna try my quad. Daammn!
nope.
Hey Brook,
I was wondering where you had dissapeared to. It has been a while since I’ve seen any posts from you. Hope all is well.
As for the diagnosis of my right quad, I don’t know, I was just trying to select the one of the Prisoner’s 3 scenarios from the injection pain sticky that matched with my symptoms. Since I don’t have any pitting edema.
It does seem to be abating slowly. Probably just one of those injects gone bad without a clear reason. I did left delt today and like all the other sites (apart from quads) no problem.
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
I just got lousy news. I called the blood lab to see if the testosterone results from Nov. 7 were finally ready and it is as I suspected. They neglected to request that particular lab and then requested it 2 weeks later only to be told the remaining blood sample was too small.
They offered for me to return and not have to wait in line, but what they fail to understand is they have stolen from me any possibility of assessing whether the test e I was using was any good since I have now started using prop. What a f’ing pain in the ass!![/quote]
Now that just sucks man!
But reading through your thread it makes sence that you had bad test!
Would it be possible go get a sample from the vial tested?
Good luck buddy.
I used a 1ml barrell with a 5/8" pin today for the delt shot. That equipment facilitated aspirating and injecting with one hand as opposed to a 3ml barrell and 1.5" pin. I stuck with 25G.
[quote]G.I. Joe Galway wrote:
Dynamo Hum wrote:
I just got lousy news. I called the blood lab to see if the testosterone results from Nov. 7 were finally ready and it is as I suspected. They neglected to request that particular lab and then requested it 2 weeks later only to be told the remaining blood sample was too small.
They offered for me to return and not have to wait in line, but what they fail to understand is they have stolen from me any possibility of assessing whether the test e I was using was any good since I have now started using prop. What a f’ing pain in the ass!!
Now that just sucks man!
But reading through your thread it makes sence that you had bad test!
Would it be possible go get a sample from the vial tested?
Good luck buddy.
[/quote]
Hey G.I.,
It’s water under the bridge now. I don’t know where to get it tested nor do I want to spend the money.
I should have a good idea of the difference after my 2 week run of prop.
My right quad is finally almost back to normal. That was 4 bad days following the shot. I am relieved. I shot left delt yesterday morning without heating oil and it hurt too last night. I took 2 tylenol last night before bed and it seemed to ease the inflamation in my quad especially.
The delt is OK today too. I did right delt with warmed oil today and it feels fine.
I trained legs today. I really wasn’t in the mood to train. I was decently strong and did an abbreviated routine:
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Front squats (6reps) no rest
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Leg press (10 reps) no rest
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Leg extension (20 rep with short rests when necessary)
3 minutes between supersets (3 supersets) -
Leg curl (6 reps) no rest
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Ham-Glute raise (10 reps) 3 mins rest
3 supersets
My general feeling is OK. Just OK. I can’t say I am experiencing any Alpha Male drive, energy, confidence, libido, etc.
I guess either I am an exception or I haven’t dosed my Adex right. I may have elevated estrogen although the nips feel fine and the knees are not creaky (so not low estrogen for sure).
KSman says to dose Adex for max clarity of mind and libido and not just sensitive nipples. I thought I could do this without blood labs. Maybe I was wrong.
Trained shoulders, triceps, & biceps today. I love Sundays when I can go in the day and take my time and not have to work. I had decent energy after carbing up on a pizza last night. I got a really good pump. So much so that I had trouble reaching around my body to soap down while showering. Muscle bellies were nice and full. I am still not where I’d like to be, but I am nearly 20lbs heavier than at the start of this cycle when my weight had not varied to any degree for 10+ years.
I was with a ladyfriend yesterday and intimacy was actually pretty good. At least I was rock hard and had a good strong orgasm. I am not at stud level by any measure, but yesterday was pretty cool.
My morale is better these days although I do have stress from work. More and more responsibilities are being showered on me and I am not in a position to quit so I have to suck it up. I wish I had an alternative. It is not easy to find another decent paying job at 47 years old.
Stay strong DH!
do you feel that you are getting more of the test experience with this test P? are you still dosing 75mg/day?
Thanks egnatiosj,
I am still doing 75mg/d until next Monday. That will make two weeks. Then I’ll start a 2 week stasis at 100mg/w and then a six week taper 80/60/50/40/30/20.
I can’t say I feel a noticeable improvenment between the enanthate and prop. I can’t really explain. I guess most gains come in the first half of the cycle. The second half (of a 10-12 week cycle) is less productive.
I did gain 15+ lbs and I haven’t been able to do that ever in the past. I just feel that I missed out on the Alpha Male, spiked libido, energy, and drive aspects. I did feel amazing for a while on the dbol kickstart portion of the cycle, but for me the testosterone only portion was a huge let down.
I will tell yu this.
I think you expected too much.
I do get a little more drive, aggression, alpha tendencies… but not through the roof!Not like i have taken a drug and it is making a new me.
It is a very subtle thing… be aware of that, it isnt “BOOM” its more “Ohhh”
JJ
[quote] Brook wrote:
I will tell yu this.
I think you expected too much.
I do get a little more drive, aggression, alpha tendencies… but not through the roof!Not like i have taken a drug and it is making a new me.
It is a very subtle thing… be aware of that, it isnt “BOOM” its more “Ohhh”
JJ[/quote]
That’s what happened to me on my first cycle. I expected too much and was let down until I realized my mistake.
Yes it certainly is a learning experience. I think I am going to start my taper a little early. Instead of going 75mg/d for another week, I’ll start my stasis tomorrow and do two weeks of 100mg/w stasis, then 6 week taper 80,60,50,40,30,20. This way I make best use out of the gear I have on hand and avoid buying extra prop for my taper and also avoid mixing a new batch of hCG.