Hello, I’m 45, I have done Test cycles before, my last one was Test 600 deca 250 back 18 months ago.
My question is, I was thinking about doing a Test 600 per week with dbol kickstarter standard for 12 - 15 weeks with .25 arimedex e3d as this works for me. back to basics.
BUT should i bang in 300 deca and make the most of it. Being in my 40s obviously recovery of natural test can start to be an issue.
Or maybe should i start to cruise after the cycle now I’m getting older?
I’m not really sure. Ive always cycled on and off but being older now
Dont cycle. Get on a cruise dose of 200 a week and get the most out of it in next 3-4 months. After that you can do a blast and then cruise again. Now when you go from natty to cruise you will be able to slowly gain for a while and stay safe.
So as I normally cycle yearly let me get this right.
200 Test per week, any Ai? or other meds?
Then in 3 or 4 months. cycle upto 600 and 300 deca for 15 weeks, Then just drop back down to 200 test?
No pct and then wait another 4 months after cruising and blast again?
Then in 18 months if i decide to come off blast and cruise in my mid 40s i assume I will be shut down massively and struggle to get back to natural levels?
I obviously am clued up on cycling but not clued up on blast and cruising.
Bloodwork will tell. Some need, some dont. With no bloodwork no one should take anything.
Yep
You dont decide that. Ever. You are on or you are off. Otherwise whats the point? When you come off you lose all the gains so why did you even started? If you feel like ending bnc you can lower test dosage to 100-150 depending on bloodwork, and live with that till you die. But stopping is not a good idea. It just doesnt make any sense.
It is. Pinning for life, or until you decide to come off for good. Regular blood work should be done.
I do agree with Hank. If you are going to do AAS, I am of the opinion that you should just stay on at lower dosages then blast. It is what I do, but I may just be on cruise / TRT from now on.
Do you have any blood work? If you have cycled in the past, and at age 45, you may be a good candidate for TRT. You won’t get huge on TRT, but long term impact of having top of range, or a bit above it can be pretty great. For me, it allows me to hold muscle while being lean. I figure that if I am fairly developed, and lean, that is pretty good, and if I can do that with TRT, then it is pretty good risk vs reward.
I don’t have bloodwork, to be fair i always bounce back pretty good and have never had reason to think my bloods are out of range as I seem to hit a decent sweet spot and recover well and found .25 very low arimedex every injection day twice weekly was good. I think having more time off than on has given my body time to recover between cycles, and know how my body responds.
I really appreciate both your inputs. Could you advise who and where i get bloodwork done, I looked at Thriva, this is finger prick stuff and what packages should i be looking for, If I am blasting and cruising, best to cruise first then blast a few months later rather than vice versa?
Its certainly a new journey, Thanks guys and i look forward to hearing your opinions
I don’t know much about the UK health system, but at age 45, IMO, it is about time to have a family physician. Health problems will be coming in your near future, unless you are extremely special, health wise. You should be getting yearly blood tests, for far more reasons than to monitor AAS usage.
Also, IMO, if you have been successful cycling your AAS cycles, I would support that approach. Once you are 6 months, or so, into TRT, you are pretty much locked in pinning at least once weekly, and probably more often.
I find it weird how people react about pinning for life.
Pinning for me is something you get to do, not something you have to do as a punishment. Its exactly like training - its a reward, its a thing you do because you like it.
I pin ED with an insulin needle, no matter what doses i am on. I fucking LOVE it. I pin it ED because i just LIKE the process - i dont even think it matters so much how often do you pin.
I pin test ED, i pin GH 3 times a week, i pin insulin twice a day on my workout days. I LOVE ordering 300 insulin syringes, open the box, doing my thing…
People acting like pinning once a week for trt is like some commitment and a big deal… pfffff.
Thanks for your inputs. I did some blood work and considering i havent done a cycle for a couple years and i feel like i am pretty good and maintaining some decent muscle, but these stats from my bloods are really low. How is it I’m not struggling with muscle, libido.
I am really shocked. I thought i would be mid to high range but really low.
Ps I havent started my next venture. whether it be as discussed above. But its looking like my bloods arent what i anticipated
When I had low T, my libido was solid and I had a lot of muscle. The biggest thing I’ve gotten with trt is body composition. I can be lean and have decent muscle mass, when before I was muscle and fat. I probably could have still been muscular and lean, but less muscular than now.
Genetics is a bigger factor than testosterone level. There are 140 lb skinny dudes with high test, and 200+ lb muscular guys with low T.
I’m similar to @mnben87 in that with low T I had a strong libido still. Mine was lower than yours, I’m one of the few guys that started with true medical diagnoses and was prescribed through an Endo.
Yeah, mine wouldn’t be prescribed by an endo (I don’t think). My levels were around 400 TT and 10-14 FT (range was 10-25), on the tests I did.
Now I shoot for 1000 TT average (try to pull labs in between shots). I think average is more meaningful than though levels which depend heavily on injection frequency.
I had low T at 30yo and my libido was that of the average 18yo kid, seriously.
Even at 38yo before starting TRT, while in the midst of a suicidal depression and with Free T below the minimum of the range, I wanted to fuck literally 20 hours/day and my girlfriend would have to tap out after 2-3 hours of straight penetrative sex every day. I was always frustrated we had to stop, to the point where I was close to going out to find other girls to fuck.
I think a lot more goes into libido than Testosterone levels
Do any of you fuckers have kids? As in toddlers? I find they are libido killers. I’m on TRT for the past year or so, currently on a cycle right now with just 500mg test e and a bit of dbol and my libido is non existent and has been for quite some time. As in not interested in sex whatsoever. Not with my wife, my neighbors wife… No porn. Nothing. E2 levels are fine.
So yeah, I agree that there is much more to high libido than test levels. A hyperactive toddler, little sleep coupled with a stressful job, an asshole boss and a sizeable mortgage will beat any amount of test, proviron or any other shit you can inject in your body every time in the libido department.
Yes. Luckily mine are getting older but they do suck the life out of you. My six year old still act like a toddler half the time. I agree with what you’re saying but my libido over powers almost all aspects of,life. Always has and is stronger on TRT even though it was massive before.
So Yes, Libido great, seem to be doing well with maintaining muscle. But low test!! im always horny!
genetics im thick set, So yes always managed even when natural to get great gains.
What you say about having fat is true, I seem not to be lean with it and when my test levels was higher i was leaner!!!
I still dont get how my levels are so low. Really didnt want to pin for life.
Also I have 4 kids and they don’t drain me, only during the school holidays when I start missing the gym and they seem to be there 24/7.
Im thinking getting on 200mg a week test for 10 weeks then having a blast for 12 and down to a cruise, hopefully in 10 weeks i can get leaner with the additional test and then start a blast.
Although a little of me wants to blast now, then cruise as i just want to get back on.
Curious if anyone knows whether these things (stress, lack of sleep, nutrition) affect the T clearing rate for those doing TRT? It sounds like T levels would stay mostly the same if using exogenous test, no?
My doc prescribed me benzos for lack of sleep and work stress. At first I took only one pill (5mg Valium) to get to sleep but lately find myself taking 10-15 mg even during the day. Looking back this is approximately when my libido issues began.
I suspected this to be the culprit but couldn’t find any noteworthy article or study on the effects of benzos on libido. In fact the one study I found says that it helps libido by relaxing you and getting you in the mood. Maybe @lordgains or someone else knowledgeable in this department could chip in.
I really don’t feel any positive effects of the drug anymore after about six months. All it does is get me tired and frustrated because I have shit to do but I’m tired from the drug, so go figure.
Since the initial effects of the valium have worn out, even with increased dosage, I’m likely physically dependent on the damn things and the docs are giving them out like they’re candy.
I’m going to taper off the drug and see if that helps with the libido issue. It can’t get much worse and the drug has lost any effect it had in the beginning anyway. I was considering going cold turkey but the horror stories on Reddit freaked me out.
