Test E, Tren A, for Second Cycle

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Was wondering what thoughts were on the following cycle:

Weeks 1-10 Test E
Weeks 4-10 Tren A

Liquidex throughout cycle.

PCT:
Clomid 100/100/50/50.
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20.

Maybe D-bol in weeks 1-4 if I can source it.

I have never used Tren before so I’m not sure how I will handle the sides so I am going for the fast acting Tren A (start in week 4 once the Test E kicks in) over the Enthanate so if I choose to go off it the sides will go away quicker. Then I will swap the Tren for Deca.I’ve been tossing up with Deca or Tren for a while, have gone with Tren as the sexual dysfunction associated with Deca is a real turn off. I have poor libido already.

Stats:
Age 27.
6’0
180lbs
First Cycle: Test E - 8 weeks.

Any logic in this? Or I should I just be going for Tren E, or Test P. or swapping Tren for Deca.

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tren can wreck your libido too, you know…

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if you already have low libido at 27 fix that first … did you get low libido from your previous cycle or did you already have it?

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Mantain your test dose higher than the tren, like 750/400 mg and take the cycle a bit longer, test e will take at lesar 4 weeks to kick in!

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[quote]dutchie1 wrote:
if you already have low libido at 27 fix that first … did you get low libido from your previous cycle or did you already have it?[/quote]

I have always had it. What would you recommend to fix it?

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[quote]Monash0z wrote:

[quote]dutchie1 wrote:
if you already have low libido at 27 fix that first … did you get low libido from your previous cycle or did you already have it?[/quote]

I have always had it. What would you recommend to fix it?
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I watch porn that always leads to a wank

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I’m no pro at running or designing cycles. However I’ve done roughly 6-7 different cycles throughout my life.

Tren is both the most effective, but also the most terrible sides, that I’ve ever tried.

I loved the results I got in strength, muscle density, and mass gains from Tren. However the god aweful sides I got (two occasions) I’d never put that crap in my body ever again. Sex drive loss is one, but hardly the worst. It made me a volitile stick of 10 year old dynamite waiting to be dropped and blow up. I was always moody, flashes of depression, restless to no sleep, I would sweat my sheets saturated every night, oh and worst of all, I got gyno that now nags me at every turn.

If I were giving advice to any of my buddies, I’d tell them not to use Tren. But at least you’re using Ace so you can quit it if you don’t like the sides. I ran enanthate and got stuck with them for a while.

Also PCT was brutal and took twice as long as normal.

I stick to only Test now. I stay far away from any Progesterone aromatising compounds.

Results are different with everyone. Tren is powerful stuff. But to me nothing is worth the sides it gave me.

Just my experience, don’t flame please.

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[quote]molonlabe1911 wrote:
I’m no pro at running or designing cycles. However I’ve done roughly 6-7 different cycles throughout my life.

Tren is both the most effective, but also the most terrible sides, that I’ve ever tried.

I loved the results I got in strength, muscle density, and mass gains from Tren. However the god aweful sides I got (two occasions) I’d never put that crap in my body ever again. Sex drive loss is one, but hardly the worst. It made me a volitile stick of 10 year old dynamite waiting to be dropped and blow up. I was always moody, flashes of depression, restless to no sleep, I would sweat my sheets saturated every night, oh and worst of all, I got gyno that now nags me at every turn.

If I were giving advice to any of my buddies, I’d tell them not to use Tren. But at least you’re using Ace so you can quit it if you don’t like the sides. I ran enanthate and got stuck with them for a while.

Also PCT was brutal and took twice as long as normal.

I stick to only Test now. I stay far away from any Progesterone aromatising compounds.

Results are different with everyone. Tren is powerful stuff. But to me nothing is worth the sides it gave me.

Just my experience, don’t flame please.[/quote]

what was your test tren dosage split?

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[quote]captain_shred wrote:

[quote]molonlabe1911 wrote:
I’m no pro at running or designing cycles. However I’ve done roughly 6-7 different cycles throughout my life.

Tren is both the most effective, but also the most terrible sides, that I’ve ever tried.

I loved the results I got in strength, muscle density, and mass gains from Tren. However the god aweful sides I got (two occasions) I’d never put that crap in my body ever again. Sex drive loss is one, but hardly the worst. It made me a volitile stick of 10 year old dynamite waiting to be dropped and blow up. I was always moody, flashes of depression, restless to no sleep, I would sweat my sheets saturated every night, oh and worst of all, I got gyno that now nags me at every turn.

If I were giving advice to any of my buddies, I’d tell them not to use Tren. But at least you’re using Ace so you can quit it if you don’t like the sides. I ran enanthate and got stuck with them for a while.

Also PCT was brutal and took twice as long as normal.

I stick to only Test now. I stay far away from any Progesterone aromatising compounds.

Results are different with everyone. Tren is powerful stuff. But to me nothing is worth the sides it gave me.

Just my experience, don’t flame please.[/quote]

what was your test tren dosage split?
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Going off memory, it was a couple years back, It was around 600mg Test and 300mg tren a week.

I kept the test dosage around double the tren dosage.

I actually had less sides beleive it or not the first time I ever used Tren like 8 years ago, and then I ran it BY ITSELF. I know that is highly advised against, but I did run it 8 weeks all by it’s lonesome. and it gave me pretty nice results even then.

The second go around I used what to me is a high ass dose (combined). Could have been why the harsh sides.

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Yeah? High test could be playing havoc given trens potency and sides exacerbated hence low test with tren… food for thought anyway

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Thanks for the feedback, decided to go with Deca now.

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would NOT recommend Deca for someone who has libido problems…

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Deca and Tren are scary compounds…beware.

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Keep your test BELOW you Tren dose and you can knock out a number of sides atleast take away some of there magnitude.

I have ran Tren more than a few times.

First Time: hated life great gains but couldn’t sleep, night sweats insane, Irritable as a hornet, and just not a fun experience.
Test E 1000mg
Tren E 750mg

Second Time: great. Leaned out amazingly for me. Insomnia was not half as bad, night sweats almost none existent, was still irritable but I was sleeping so I wasn’t as pissed off as usual. Strength gains were not as good.
Test E 300mg
Tren E 750mg increased to 1000mg at one point.

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Just ended a 200 mg test/1050 mg Tren a per week blast and had almost no side effects. Got blood work done and besides my screwed up LDL/HDL, everything else was good. Even on a caloric deficit, i put on a good bit of muscle.

Best part, blood pressure was 129/80. This was done 2 weeks before I ended. All things considered, I was happy with that.

Next blast im gonna try Moderate Tren, Moderate NPP, and low test for the hell of it.

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[quote]Steve Rogers wrote:
Just ended a 200 mg test/1050 mg Tren a per week blast and had almost no side effects. Got blood work done and besides my screwed up LDL/HDL, everything else was good. Even on a caloric deficit, i put on a good bit of muscle.

Best part, blood pressure was 129/80. This was done 2 weeks before I ended. All things considered, I was happy with that.

Next blast im gonna try Moderate Tren, Moderate NPP, and low test for the hell of it.[/quote] No dingaling issues whatsoever?

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Libido was unreal. Was also using Masteron which helped but my hair did thin some. Didn’t use caber/prami either.

I added super dmz the last 4 weeks which was the first time I ran an oral more than a week before getting sick of it. Overall, was very happy with it.

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Steve, how’d you like the dmz?

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Have no orals to compare it to but drank 2 gallons of water a day and took Liv 52 and nac and my appetite was fine. Previously I always stopped orals a week in because of appetite issues (tried running dbol twice).

Put on muscle. Felt good in the gym. Hard to isolate what did what but considering I ran this the last 4 weeks I felt like it definitely prolonged the ‘gains’ of the blast where normally this would plateau with short ethers after 8 weeks.

I was happy with it. I have a friend that used it without any AAS and no other experience with AAS previously and he put on a noticeable level of muscle and was stronger which is his primary focus.

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[quote]Steve Rogers wrote:
Have no orals to compare it to but drank 2 gallons of water a day and took Liv 52 and nac and my appetite was fine. Previously I always stopped orals a week in because of appetite issues (tried running dbol twice).

Put on muscle. Felt good in the gym. Hard to isolate what did what but considering I ran this the last 4 weeks I felt like it definitely prolonged the ‘gains’ of the blast where normally this would plateau with short ethers after 8 weeks.

I was happy with it. I have a friend that used it without any AAS and no other experience with AAS previously and he put on a noticeable level of muscle and was stronger which is his primary focus.
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It’s an interesting one. I tried the m-sten by the same company and couldn’t believe how strong it was! Hardened me up like fuck and added a bit of size too at the end of the cycle when I usually plateau (about the 10 week mark usually).

I’ve always shied away from these designer steroids but I think the IML stuff is better quality than most.