In here we use only “stanazolol” when we talk about oral, but “winstrol” is always used when talking about injectable.
There was a time during bad bushfires where I live wherein the air was black/tarnished bright red.
Breathing was very difficult. It was said walking outside was the equivalent of smoking between 20-40 cigarettes per day for your respiratory and cardiovascular system.
The pictures are stored on and old device of mine that I think I sold, it looked like something out of a post appcalyptic sci fi movie.
The truth to this?
Genetics
Genetics are the largest deciding factor. Some people can smoke and live til 95 when the person next to them dies of lung cancer at 25
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Define smoking.
I smoke about two cigarettes per month!
shocking!!!
The only serious risk from that from what I’ve beed led to believe would be a significant increase in the risk for eventually developing cancers of the tongue, larynx, mouth, lungs, pancreas and a transient increase in the risk of heart disease.
One escapes first pass effect
One doesn’t
Toxicity may be slightly less for the injectable but going on clinical data hepatotoxicity is still very much present for the injectable formulation.
It’s not the route of administration, its the c-17 alteration that makes it toxic. Oral testosterone undecanoate doesn’t cause peliosis hepatis or hepatocellular adenoma/carcinoma nearly as often as c17aa (androgens and risk of liver cancer appears to be somewhat linked)
Winstrol was the brand name for stanozolol, the generic term for winny is stanozolol. I’d never ever take it, I hear people get joint pain on it… I already have joint pain… no thanks…
Terribly for lipids too, but 3 weeks of trashed lipids wouldn’t kill me… another torn muscle/more tearing and degeneration of my cartilage might make me feel like I want to die though lol.
It’s not going to stop me from going back to exercise, I enjoy it too much. I’m well aware i’m probably looking at things like hip and perhaps shoulder joint replacements 20 years or so down the line. This is potentially irrespective of what I do, being sedentary may push it out an extra ten years or so.
Not interested in being sedentary. I want my combat sports… my weightlifting and my distance running.
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Makes me feel like a dinosaur. The only oral stanazolol that I ever took was Winstrol.
And the only injectable Winstrol I ever took was Winstrol V.
Wasn’t oral winstrol like 2mg tablets back then lol
How many of those would you have to take? Imagine having to take 25 of those pills a day… would you grind them up into a protein shake or something 
No
But I can go by anecdote. I know one guy who died in his 40s, another who commited suicide in his early 30s
Others who have fairly serious disk degeneration beyond what you’d normally see for someone in their 30s and 40s because they’ve been pushing absurd weights for decades etc.
They came 2mg per tablet in bottles of 100.
Usually I took 10mg/day. Occasionally up to 20mg/day. You sure went through a bottle fairly quick, even at low doses.
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Test lipids
You have fairly good genes if I remember correctly.
I’m really curious to see what winny does to someone who is otherwise healthy
Can you still get a script for something like stanozolol in America? I thought FDA cracked down, further driving the scene underground.
Remember, the cosmetic effect is the most addictive part. The look you’ll get on stanozolol will be superior to what you look like on TRT.
You’ll never replicate it. If you are ok with cosmetic benefits being temporary it means you are less likely to get roped in to escalating dosages and more extreme use.
If you decide to take 20mg stanozolol for 4 weeks you’ll probably be fine. Anecdotally as someone who also has dysautonomia you’ll need to increase your dose of beta blockers, and you might not even feel tired doing so as you’ll just be blunting the development of that hyperadrenergic state androgens put one in when used in higher doses.
Otherwise you’ll feel ‘wired’ the whole time and RHR will increase by like 10-20bpm
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Could you get a script?
Or did this still entail buying pills of dubious quality underground?
In Thailand generic stanozolol comes in bottles of around 500-1000 tablets. Used for hereditary angioedema, manifeststions associated with behcets disease, wasting etc.
2-10mg/day…
There’s a hypothesis dysautonomia is autoimmune (sometimes)
Over 50% of those with IST have antibodies against cardiac beta adrenergic receptors
I’m sorry… I know it’s not fun, but it’s something you’ll probably need to put up with.
What triggers autoimmune pathology like that? Who knows… illness, infection, injecting unsterile gear… luck of the draw
People with hEDS, joint hypermobility syndrome, fibromyalgia and CFS/ME tend to have very high rates of IST/POTS, PAC’s ans PVC’s
Potentially autoimmune, potentially related to neurological dysregulation
It can go into remission, but I’ve had dysautonomia for almost a decade.
Why do you want to use AAS? You certaily have an excuse to do so… that being “life is uncomfortable… so why not?”
Remember that question “why”
For me it was always “harder for me to get injured when I have more muscle mass. I also find they legitimately make me feel less intelligent… I get along with my peers more efficiently when I’m not so analytical the whole time”
Today I was called “young sheldon” in class. @readalot
Might help me career wise later on, but terrible for making friends.
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Are they going to actually be able go do this?
You’d think we would have learned from our probibition era mistakes of the past
Humanity repeats the same mistakes time and time again
They’re effectively deferring the entire market towards the hands of criminals now.
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Yeet
For quite a few years I could get a script.
There was a period of time when the gym owner was buying from a guy who stole AAS from a pharmacy warehouse.
The same owner had a bodybuilding friend who was a pharmacist in a neighboring state who got us AAS.
In my 40’s I was getting AAS from my workout partner who when to Europe and mailed AAS back home. He did get caught and had to spend A few years in prison, but by then I had acquired dermatamyositis.
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That’s really, really bad
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I can see how the corticosteroid treatment for this would destroy a bodybuilder.
I’m sorry, that’s a rough one.
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Dermatamyositis was far worse on my physique. I could not get up out of the sofa. I nearly chocked a number of times, the muscles that swallow were very weak. But the treatment at that time started at 80mg/day of prednisone. Which is far from an AAS, closer to the inverse.
So you could say I didn’t stop steroids. I just changed steroids.
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He eventually got his Pro Card
Was biomedicine
Then I applied for a double degree in biomedicine + exercise physiology
I got in, but campus was very far away and couldn’t afford to move out
So I transitioned over to exercise physiology and plan to switch over to the double degree when I can afford to move out
I’m doing quite well, however severe pain and disability is currently a limiting factor to me making class. So i’m getting B’s, A’s and A+ grades, but only attending class 50% of the time as I have to climb up and down many flights of stairs
When you are at the point you need both hips operated on thats an issue. Painkillers are a temporary lifeline for me now, and even then I rarely sleep past 5 hours of sleep a night. Relatively low dose now, but you should see the MME equivalent I’m going to be on after surgery.
The university has told me to defer due to disability. I will probably end the semester prematurely as I’ve been told post op when they increase my doses I am not allowed to drive. Also op on right hip = no driving…
I’m more upset that I’ve become dependent on my parents at 21, I’m upset that I can’t do things my peers can do
But on the other hand I know that I’ve done this to myself, I have no regrets about it either and wouldn’t change anything even if I could go back for a do over.
Ive been told I’ll be able to exercise again, but to what capacity… and for how long before I need to start looking at modalities like joint replacements is unknown
I have changes reminiscent of degenerative osteoarthritis at 21. This happens when you have either joint hypermobility syndrome or hEDS
I need to get evaluated for the latter but I’m uneasy about doing so as that dx is hell for medical insurance later on in life. I think I do have it as there are other members in my family who are suspected of having it too, but also has my body of thought “it’s bad for medical insurance”.
Will I ever use AAS again? Lol… probably… albeit very sparingly. Moreso for increasing muscle mass to aid in injury prevention. For people like me it actually is “the bigger the better”.
Will they end up killing me? Yes… probably… my genes are against me in this department
unless I can find a good woman who is very much against it. However most autistic people never end up finding anyone.
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