34 yrs old 6ft 210 lbs 10% bf
Training for 18 yrs.
First cycle 250 mg test e twice a week for 14 weeks. 1 week off
Pct Nolvadex for 3 weeks 20mg per day
Great gains no sides
18 weeks off so far
I have everything I need for a test deca cycle Caber adex hcg proviron nolva clomid.
I need some advice on cycle length & pct.
PCT is the same as a test cycle with the exception that you may want to wait 3 full weeks to start after your last pin. Nolva 40/40/20/20 is the most recommended PCT here from what I can see. I say that because Iām not a PCT guy anymore so Iām only regurgitating here. Deca/test is typically suitable for longer cycles due to ester length soā¦ 12 weeks is common. You wonāt need anymore adex on this than you did the last time. Caber need is overblown in my opinion. Most guys getting ED from Deca tend to test in the normal range for prolactin from what Iāve seen and wonder why they get ED. Iāve explained my theories multiple times this week regarding that topic. You can search or scroll down on the deca-dick related threads to read up. Best of luck my man.
Thank you. Do you think 500 mg test per week & 300 deca? Test for 14 weeks deca for 12? Or stop both at 12?
I like the idea of running the test longer although Iāve admittedly stopped them at the same time when Iāve run them. Dosing suggestion seems typical for a first time user of deca. Iāve got no critiques.
Why insist on Deca? it is such a risky substance that can really fuck you up.
Iām interested in decaās ability to repair joints
I have a friend/training bud at the gym who runs about 250 of deca on top of 500 test. What is so dangerous?
MS
Deca doesnāt repair joints. From my understanding it can ālubricateā them which can lead to further injury depending on what joint issues youāre masking. Look into peptides and HGH as you may find a better solution there.
@mistershadow
Search deca dick or just scroll down. Thereās a new thread every 10 posts.
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Correct. It increases synovial fluid which is found in joints. Itās temporary relief and doesnāt heal anything.
Besides Dbolās propensity to give gym bros boobs, the one piece of gear that i see people have the most severe sides from is Deca. I am talking stuff that they end up dealing with for years and years and years.
Contrast that with a basic cycle of 400-500 Test E. I know a ton of guys that ran and still do with no real visible drawbacks. Yes, there will be some guys that get screwed, have to go on TRT, or take a longer than usual time to bounce back to baseline but it is nowhere near the amount of guys that totally ruin themselves with something like Deca.
Iām going to throw a totally unscientific number right off the top of my head and say that from what i see it seems like 1 in 3 will suffer from something either deca dick, leaky boobs, or something else.
Proceed with caution.
Just wanted to know in your experience when you see diminished returns here. After blasting test several times I really donāt get much in terms of weight gain results anymore.
Thanks for your response. The post caught my eye as I was flying through the forum. Deca Durabolin does in fact cause a massive amount of collagen synthesis. It can AID in the repair of damaged tendons and ligaments. It does lubricate joints. It does not repair joints.
I did some medical research for a buddy of mine who runs that stuff in āreasonableā amounts. He overcame the Deca Dick and is perfectly normal nowā¦ albeit, takes Cialis every few days regularly and he had to up his Test E.
Thanks for your clarification @theprocess. Your original post caught my eye and piqued my interest.
Thank you,
MS
Can you post some articles?
For starters: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4837307/
MS
I havenāt ran enough to know for myself but I do socialize with many year round and frequent AAS users.
They all continue to have Test as a staple in any stack, but most of them do eventually stack other compounds. I guess it is the only way to continue to grow, and get crazy gains but if you arenāt competing then what is the point? If you want to look like that then ok but I find (and for me personally) most people want to keep their gains, or improve their lagging muscles and not necessarily blow up.
So its agreeable that it provides relief no doubt, Iām not disputing that. Iām curious and only questioning the ability to āhealā which I think there is none but am interested in other thoughts and more studies. I think the key from this study you posted is this and Iām quoting from this studyā¦
" An earlier 2010 study by Papaspiliopoulos examined 48 male rabbits that underwent rotator cuff incision and reconstruction after stratification into groups based on local nandrolone administration and immobilization. In this study, local administration of nandrolone proved detrimental to wound healing however, systemic administration was not studied . Other limitations include the fact that anabolic steroids affect the tensile strength of tendons that may then cause failure with less elongation (33). Local administration of nandrolone may impair the healing of acute tendon injuries and the perceived benefits to retracted muscle may be outweighed by its effects on tendon healing (34)."
According to the prescribing data collagen synthesis is repairing of collagen. It was developed specifically for that purpose, repair, that is. Not just casual meathead bulking. Along with joint protection and some other perks. It is a very underrated steroid imhoā¦ used properly it is an amazing compound.
It wonāt heal a partially torn bicep tendon overnight, but I bet it can strengthen it 10 fold over a a year and make the tear no longer relevantā¦ (within reason-- common sense here)
Remember, itās repair and protection facilities are its primary use. Everything else is secondary. (off label)
If you rip a tendon two-thirds through or a gaping V ripā¦ or some other bizarre, crippling type injury, sometimes, surgery is the only option.
MS